Ronin discussion

But Elsa’s evade is better than stealthy’s, she can counter evade (not unstoppable), higher damage, and unique damage.

She seems better in any fight that’s not unstoppable for me.

Okay i hate stealthy but even I know his damage is better than elsas by a lot. And he evade counter is shaky.

Silver_Goose

I love Ronin so much.

My skill champ rating is
1. Aegon
2. Nick(these two can be switched, depending on content)
3. Spelthy
4. Bwdo/Ronin
5. Hit monkey(I may be using him wrong)
Elsa does not even compete with them IMO
Spelthy, aka master of only having 1 piece of utility.
Guaranteed evade, high damage, slow, what more do I need? Plus Ronin doesn’t have a great nickname.
The guaranteed evade is rubbish, high damage isnt utility, and slow is fine. But thats it. He doesnt need a nickname since he doesnt have a 3 word name.
yeah he only has evade, unstoppable, and miss counter, all super useless. ronin has 40% daar on one stance that you can't stay in forever and an 8 second 40% disorient on a special. yeah id definitely take spelthy.
Spam sp1 is easy. And Stealthys evade is trash, and listing those is just glorifying the word slow.

well you claim it's one piece of utility but it has multiple used and counters miss, which is unique to spelthys slow. in my scenarios it's impractical to spam sp1s and keep up disorient uptime. it requires to constantly find openings through intercepts or parries and requires the ai to throw specials or you'll waste your disorient baiting specials. id say it's pretty hard to get an sp1 every 8 seconds for the entire fight. and even when you do all of that, and even if you manage to do 3 hit comboes or whatever for the stance, it's only a 80% daar. I say only,l. it is pretty solid but in many scenarios if you get one trigger of whatever that is you lose a crazy amount of health or straight up just die. so again, yes, id take spelthy over ronin any day

But Elsa’s evade is better than stealthy’s, she can counter evade (not unstoppable), higher damage, and unique damage.

She seems better in any fight that’s not unstoppable for me.
Okay i hate stealthy but even I know his damage is better than elsas by a lot. And he evade counter is shaky.
At least treat him with respect and use the correct nickname.
I set “Spelthy” to auto correct to “Ronin is 100000000 times better” so using stealthy is easier.
But Ronin is at maximum tied with Spelthy.
They both don’t compare to Elsa
But Elsa’s evade is better than stealthy’s, she can counter evade (not unstoppable), higher damage, and unique damage.

She seems better in any fight that’s not unstoppable for me.
Okay i hate stealthy but even I know his damage is better than elsas by a lot. And he evade counter is shaky.
It’s actually not. Even including his flash bang which removes his utility, his damage is weaker compared to Elsa.

woaaah I love elsa but her damage is not even close to the level of ronin at max potential or spelthy in literally any fight. it is better than bwdo tho.

But Elsa’s evade is better than stealthy’s, she can counter evade (not unstoppable), higher damage, and unique damage.

She seems better in any fight that’s not unstoppable for me.
Okay i hate stealthy but even I know his damage is better than elsas by a lot. And he evade counter is shaky.
At least treat him with respect and use the correct nickname.
I set “Spelthy” to auto correct to “Ronin is 100000000 times better” so using stealthy is easier.
But Ronin is at maximum tied with Spelthy.
They both don’t compare to Elsa
But Elsa’s evade is better than stealthy’s, she can counter evade (not unstoppable), higher damage, and unique damage.

She seems better in any fight that’s not unstoppable for me.
Okay i hate stealthy but even I know his damage is better than elsas by a lot. And he evade counter is shaky.
It’s actually not. Even including his flash bang which removes his utility, his damage is weaker compared to Elsa.

Haha, keep on dreaming dude.

Moot4Life

But Elsa’s evade is better than stealthy’s, she can counter evade (not unstoppable), higher damage, and unique damage.

She seems better in any fight that’s not unstoppable for me.
Okay i hate stealthy but even I know his damage is better than elsas by a lot. And he evade counter is shaky.
At least treat him with respect and use the correct nickname.
I set “Spelthy” to auto correct to “Ronin is 100000000 times better” so using stealthy is easier.
But Ronin is at maximum tied with Spelthy.
They both don’t compare to Elsa
But Elsa’s evade is better than stealthy’s, she can counter evade (not unstoppable), higher damage, and unique damage.

She seems better in any fight that’s not unstoppable for me.
Okay i hate stealthy but even I know his damage is better than elsas by a lot. And he evade counter is shaky.
It’s actually not. Even including his flash bang which removes his utility, his damage is weaker compared to Elsa.
Haha, keep on dreaming dude.

well thats with suicides and stealthy is not that good with suicides

But Elsa’s evade is better than stealthy’s, she can counter evade (not unstoppable), higher damage, and unique damage.

She seems better in any fight that’s not unstoppable for me.
Okay i hate stealthy but even I know his damage is better than elsas by a lot. And he evade counter is shaky.
At least treat him with respect and use the correct nickname.
I set “Spelthy” to auto correct to “Ronin is 100000000 times better” so using stealthy is easier.
But Ronin is at maximum tied with Spelthy.
They both don’t compare to Elsa
But Elsa’s evade is better than stealthy’s, she can counter evade (not unstoppable), higher damage, and unique damage.

She seems better in any fight that’s not unstoppable for me.
Okay i hate stealthy but even I know his damage is better than elsas by a lot. And he evade counter is shaky.
It’s actually not. Even including his flash bang which removes his utility, his damage is weaker compared to Elsa.
Haha, keep on dreaming dude.
well thats with suicides and stealthy is not that good with suicides

It's just what I run now. Suicides or no suicides, Stealthy easily outdamages Elsa. And Stealthy isn't un-suicide friendly per se. You've only gotta throw 1 Sp1 in most fights.

Danyal_39

Well I've got a 5 star rank 3/27 stealthy which is really good in terms of damage as well as his aspects of utility, he can slow, he counters miss, has really high damage (don't know about elsa, but "slightly" better than ronin), has limited power management, an semi reliable but not that good evade (as it can sometimes comprises damage, only saying cause I'm a noob player ad trips a lot). He can also further increase his damage by a bit (using flash bang), overall a good champion.

As for Ronin I pulled him as a 4 star about a week or a half ago, already knew by then there's a separate fan base of Ronin with a really awesome leader *cough* *cough* @Masterpuff *cough* *cough*, but I never got that hype. Maybe because I never used him before. So today morning I decided to test him so raked him up and messed around a bit with him, and I came to decision that he really is underrated as he has got a really good and consistent damge as well as a good amount of utility as he can counter ability accuracy a bit, has good and potent bleed damage (not as good as NF, therefore don't compare it), has easy access to high critical damage (just like stealthy but more easy and reliable) also has some niche utility like parrying non-contact attacks (in Guard Stance), DAAR etc. So as to summarize both are real good in term of utility and damage and both has access to some niche utility which can come in handy a few times. So both of them can't be compared as for as the subject that who is superior and who is not? They both has got their own uses.

As for Elsa I don't know much about her, but I've got her as 4 star and I will rank her up very soon.

But Elsa’s evade is better than stealthy’s, she can counter evade (not unstoppable), higher damage, and unique damage.

She seems better in any fight that’s not unstoppable for me.
Okay i hate stealthy but even I know his damage is better than elsas by a lot. And he evade counter is shaky.
At least treat him with respect and use the correct nickname.
I set “Spelthy” to auto correct to “Ronin is 100000000 times better” so using stealthy is easier.
But Ronin is at maximum tied with Spelthy.
They both don’t compare to Elsa
But Elsa’s evade is better than stealthy’s, she can counter evade (not unstoppable), higher damage, and unique damage.

She seems better in any fight that’s not unstoppable for me.
Okay i hate stealthy but even I know his damage is better than elsas by a lot. And he evade counter is shaky.
It’s actually not. Even including his flash bang which removes his utility, his damage is weaker compared to Elsa.
Haha, keep on dreaming dude.
well thats with suicides and stealthy is not that good with suicides

His r5 also does more damage on a combo than puffs r3 6*, and while there are bleeds, its a pretty big rank difference between the two, and spelthy's damage is incredibly easy to maintain whereas ronins is much harder to keep up

Edit: and obviously much higher than elsa

My spirit thread.
I have a 6* R3 Ronin and a 5/65 Ronin. He is easily my favorite champion, and is criminally underrated. Im converting people though.

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/174021/ronin#latest

This contains a guide of mine. I also have some videos on him, mostly just messing around.

Here is just some damage: https://youtu.be/ce0ouyBmrtQ

Gonna bookmark this thread to discuss!
Please show us some tough fights in act 6 and 7 or variants to understand Ronin. Doing ROL is not going to help.

Then give me a lane to do @Rockypantherx. I attached that video because its literally my only r3 Ronin video.

Etjamas r5 Sig 200 Stealthy’s combo:43,229
Puffs R3 With fury and 7 cruelties:54,775 plus bleeds. That said, Ronin had 1 more crit than the Combo etjama did.

Also, stealthy is definitely un-suicide friendly. 15% health to recoil and bleeds in all fights and 20% or more in long fights.

SkyLord7000

I’m unsure how to send a video. But this is unawakened Elsa with no suicides hitting about 9000 on a light crit.

Edit: trying to get photo to show site isn’t responding

Etjamas r5 Sig 200 Stealthy’s combo:43,229
Puffs R3 With fury and 7 cruelties:54,775 plus bleeds. That said, Ronin had 1 more crit than the Combo etjama did.

Also, stealthy is definitely un-suicide friendly. 15% health to recoil and bleeds in all fights and 20% or more in long fights.

It's extremely rare to lose over 10% to recoil. Only 1 Sp1 is needed in most matchups and you only ever need to add a single Sp2 to the rotation for long fights. Plus I run 2 points in coag and am about to buy my third.

Etjamas r5 Sig 200 Stealthy’s combo:43,229
Puffs R3 With fury and 7 cruelties:54,775 plus bleeds. That said, Ronin had 1 more crit than the Combo etjama did.

Also, stealthy is definitely un-suicide friendly. 15% health to recoil and bleeds in all fights and 20% or more in long fights.
It's extremely rare to lose over 10% to recoil. Only 1 Sp1 is needed in most matchups and you only ever need to add a single Sp2 to the rotation. Plus I run 2 points in coag and am about to buy my third.

Still not very suicide friendly but 3 in coag helps a lot.

Etjamas r5 Sig 200 Stealthy’s combo:43,229
Puffs R3 With fury and 7 cruelties:54,775 plus bleeds. That said, Ronin had 1 more crit than the Combo etjama did.

Also, stealthy is definitely un-suicide friendly. 15% health to recoil and bleeds in all fights and 20% or more in long fights.
It's extremely rare to lose over 10% to recoil. Only 1 Sp1 is needed in most matchups and you only ever need to add a single Sp2 to the rotation. Plus I run 2 points in coag and am about to buy my third.
Still not very suicide friendly but 3 in coag helps a lot.

Definetely not, but that's why I wouldn't say he's un-suicide friendly either. The only champs I'd say just don't work with suicides are the ones that need to spam specials.

Etjamas r5 Sig 200 Stealthy’s combo:43,229
Puffs R3 With fury and 7 cruelties:54,775 plus bleeds. That said, Ronin had 1 more crit than the Combo etjama did.

Also, stealthy is definitely un-suicide friendly. 15% health to recoil and bleeds in all fights and 20% or more in long fights.
It's extremely rare to lose over 10% to recoil. Only 1 Sp1 is needed in most matchups and you only ever need to add a single Sp2 to the rotation. Plus I run 2 points in coag and am about to buy my third.
Still not very suicide friendly but 3 in coag helps a lot.
Definetely not, but that's why I wouldn't say he's un-suicide friendly either. The only champs I'd say just don't work with suicides are the ones that need to spam specials.

I guess. Oh and DDHK.

SkyLord7000

Apparently my storage was to full to send a photo. Should work now. I don’t have a YouTube account so I can’t send a video. Again this is an unawakened Elsa Bloodstone without suicides hitting a 9000 on a light crit.

But Elsa’s evade is better than stealthy’s, she can counter evade (not unstoppable), higher damage, and unique damage.

She seems better in any fight that’s not unstoppable for me.
Okay i hate stealthy but even I know his damage is better than elsas by a lot. And he evade counter is shaky.
At least treat him with respect and use the correct nickname.
I set “Spelthy” to auto correct to “Ronin is 100000000 times better” so using stealthy is easier.
But Ronin is at maximum tied with Spelthy.
They both don’t compare to Elsa
But Elsa’s evade is better than stealthy’s, she can counter evade (not unstoppable), higher damage, and unique damage.

She seems better in any fight that’s not unstoppable for me.
Okay i hate stealthy but even I know his damage is better than elsas by a lot. And he evade counter is shaky.
It’s actually not. Even including his flash bang which removes his utility, his damage is weaker compared to Elsa.
Let me see elsa do a 60k combo

If my elsa was awakened and high sig, against an L/XL science or either one of the two I think she can hit for a 60k combo when a lot of buster debuffs are stacked. Her damage comes mainly from the big red numbers.

Apparently my storage was to full to send a photo. Should work now. I don’t have a YouTube account so I can’t send a video. Again this is an unawakened Elsa Bloodstone without suicides hitting a 9000 on a light crit.

With 11 Busted debuffs. Even without suicides, Stealthy can keep up that kind of damage for the entire fight while Elsa can only get it every once in a while for really short amounts of time and yet she has more damage? Could you explain that math to me?

SkyLord7000

Apparently my storage was to full to send a photo. Should work now. I don’t have a YouTube account so I can’t send a video. Again this is an unawakened Elsa Bloodstone without suicides hitting a 9000 on a light crit.
With 11 Busted debuffs. Even without suicides,
Stealthy can keep up that kind of damage for the entire fight while Elsa can only get it every once in a while for really short amounts of time and yet she has more damage? Could you explain that math to me?

Compared to a sig 200 stealthy with suicides and she still hits higher. Awakening and adding suicides would only increase the attack value you see in the screenshot.

Etjamas r5 Sig 200 Stealthy’s combo:43,229
Puffs R3 With fury and 7 cruelties:54,775 plus bleeds. That said, Ronin had 1 more crit than the Combo etjama did.

Also, stealthy is definitely un-suicide friendly. 15% health to recoil and bleeds in all fights and 20% or more in long fights.
It's extremely rare to lose over 10% to recoil. Only 1 Sp1 is needed in most matchups and you only ever need to add a single Sp2 to the rotation. Plus I run 2 points in coag and am about to buy my third.
Still not very suicide friendly but 3 in coag helps a lot.
Definetely not, but that's why I wouldn't say he's un-suicide friendly either. The only champs I'd say just don't work with suicides are the ones that need to spam specials.

I think we can all agree that these three champs work extremely well with suicides due to their hard hitting combos and lack of needing to spam specials? Probably some of the best in the game without a single immunity or form of regeneration when it comes to compatibility with suicides.

Apparently my storage was to full to send a photo. Should work now. I don’t have a YouTube account so I can’t send a video. Again this is an unawakened Elsa Bloodstone without suicides hitting a 9000 on a light crit.
With 11 Busted debuffs. Even without suicides,
Stealthy can keep up that kind of damage for the entire fight while Elsa can only get it every once in a while for really short amounts of time and yet she has more damage? Could you explain that math to me?
Compared to a sig 200 stealthy with suicides and she still hits higher. Awakening and adding suicides would only increase the attack value you see in the screenshot.

Lol, she's not hitting harder at all. Do you think Stealthy only hits for 6k on his last medium? There are 2 hits in that medium so he hits for 12k. I used him extensively without suicides and he still hit for over 10k on his last medium. And he can keep that up for the entire fight while Elsa still can't hit that hard with 11 busted debuffs which is extremely rare and barely lasts. Not only does Stealthy outdamage her, but he does so easily. What about this isn't making sense?

Etjamas r5 Sig 200 Stealthy’s combo:43,229
Puffs R3 With fury and 7 cruelties:54,775 plus bleeds. That said, Ronin had 1 more crit than the Combo etjama did.

Also, stealthy is definitely un-suicide friendly. 15% health to recoil and bleeds in all fights and 20% or more in long fights.

Hey... Elsa can do 43k combos! I know that for sure! I'm sensing some bias here... though I will admit that Stealthy's ramp up is quicker but I can confirm without the invulerability debuff that Elsa can hit harder. Not denying that stealthy has way better utility though and utility usually matters more in a champ. Stealth's slow can counter miss, unstoppable, and evade as well as give him shock/incinerate immunity w/imiw.

Etjamas r5 Sig 200 Stealthy’s combo:43,229
Puffs R3 With fury and 7 cruelties:54,775 plus bleeds. That said, Ronin had 1 more crit than the Combo etjama did.

Also, stealthy is definitely un-suicide friendly. 15% health to recoil and bleeds in all fights and 20% or more in long fights.
Hey... Elsa can do 43k combos! I know that for sure! I'm sensing some bias here... though I will admit that Stealthy's ramp up is quicker but I can confirm without the invulerability debuff that Elsa can hit harder. Not denying that stealthy has way better utility though and utility usually matters more in a champ.

Even with the slow debuff, Stealthy still hits harder since he can ramp up faster and keep the damage up throughout the whole fight. Without suicides and using the slow debuff, he still hits for 8k on the last medium. Sure, there will be points where Elsa hits harder than him under that circumstance, but that damage isn't going to last long at all. Not only does he have superior utility, but superior damage no matter which pre-fight he's using as well

Etjamas r5 Sig 200 Stealthy’s combo:43,229
Puffs R3 With fury and 7 cruelties:54,775 plus bleeds. That said, Ronin had 1 more crit than the Combo etjama did.

Also, stealthy is definitely un-suicide friendly. 15% health to recoil and bleeds in all fights and 20% or more in long fights.
Hey... Elsa can do 43k combos! I know that for sure! I'm sensing some bias here... though I will admit that Stealthy's ramp up is quicker but I can confirm without the invulerability debuff that Elsa can hit harder. Not denying that stealthy has way better utility though and utility usually matters more in a champ.
Even with the slow debuff, Stealthy still hits harder since he can ramp up faster and keep the damage up throughout the whole fight. Without suicides and using the slow debuff, he still hits for 8k on the last medium. Sure, there will be points where Elsa hits harder than him under that circumstance, but that damage isn't going to last long at all. Not only does he have superior utility, but superior damage no matter which pre-fight he's using as well

Do you happen to have a maxed Elsa to test? I don't have a viable phone atm so I can't time a RoL or act 6/7 fight. I think she can clock in a 1:30 kill or something like that.

I play Elsa very aggressively and do 4 hit combos/counter-evades to stack her buster debuffs quickly and then push to her sp3 to get the cruelties with the help of the extra power gain rate. Stealth does have some bursts too with his sp2 damage but I think their damage is actually pretty similar considering their high crit rate. Tigra synergy can help out a bit too

https://youtu.be/vU5TnIt4Oc0

Etjamas r5 Sig 200 Stealthy’s combo:43,229
Puffs R3 With fury and 7 cruelties:54,775 plus bleeds. That said, Ronin had 1 more crit than the Combo etjama did.

Also, stealthy is definitely un-suicide friendly. 15% health to recoil and bleeds in all fights and 20% or more in long fights.
Hey... Elsa can do 43k combos! I know that for sure! I'm sensing some bias here... though I will admit that Stealthy's ramp up is quicker but I can confirm without the invulerability debuff that Elsa can hit harder. Not denying that stealthy has way better utility though and utility usually matters more in a champ.
Even with the slow debuff, Stealthy still hits harder since he can ramp up faster and keep the damage up throughout the whole fight. Without suicides and using the slow debuff, he still hits for 8k on the last medium. Sure, there will be points where Elsa hits harder than him under that circumstance, but that damage isn't going to last long at all. Not only does he have superior utility, but superior damage no matter which pre-fight he's using as well
Do you happen to have a maxed Elsa to test? I don't have a viable phone atm so I can't time a RoL or act 6/7 fight. I think she can clock in a 1:30 kill or something like that.

This was my very first attempt. Stealthy with suicides and the slow debuff, 1:33. If anyone would like to counter that, go right ahead. And keep in mind that Stealthy could've dropped this man so much faster with the Vulnerability instead, but I wanted this to be fair. Also keep in mind that this is a 5* and therefore has lower base stats than a 6*, but I'll allow a 6* R2 Elsa.

I still say Elsa is bae.
And that's fine. But saying she has more damage than Stealthy or that she's a top 5 Skill champ or something like that is just ridiculous.

Yeah spelthy has way more damage. It's very hard to keep up 12 busted and if you do, you're sacrificing the precision from sp1 and incinerates which don't do that much but do add up. Not only that, but without the precision, you can't guarantee everything will crit. Spelthy hits way harder