**Mastery Loadouts**
Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.
Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.
My hatred for Void deepens...
hungryhungrybbq
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As someone who enjoys using the suicide masteries, I've always resented his design. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. I've always thought you should only take damage from debuffs that Void himself places on you. At least it's skill based that way and it can be played around. You might say, "Don't fight him with Suicides on, bruh.." Cool. Unfortunately, the mastery respec process is painful to use and costs more units than it should because it's a clunky system that forces you to wipe and re-enter an entire tree even to respec one small part of that tree. It's a big ask just for one defender on a map. "Use Ghost or a double immune..." Sure, that's usually what I'm forced to do.
Then, he was intentionally paired with nodes that stack debuffs on you...ok, so the designers have taken it a step further now and actually embraced/doubled down on this part of his design to capitalize on debuffs that he himself did not place on the attacker. Ok..is what it is, I guess. What's the answer? Use a counter, a champ who shrugs debuffs. Often a skill champ. Which actually makes perfect sense as class advantage characters are often designed to counter the class which they have advantage over. 👍
After hearing about Kingpin's buff, I was pretty amped. I like XL champs, I need good skill champs to invest in as the class is in bad shape relative to other classes. Then, I discover that after his buff (which is a nice buff actually) he now literally cannot fight Void at all without taking severe, unavoidable damage? Seriously? He's a skill champ for whom a big piece of his kit is the ability to SHRUG DEBUFFS. He should be a hard counter to Void, but instead he can't even enter a fight with him? Like, Corvus vs Maw style? Seriously?
Void's ability to cause damage from debuffs that he himself did not place is out of control. When a skill champ, with class advantage who is actually made to shrug debuffs and also has had his abilities changed in an effort to make his own self applied debuffs be an asset for him, literally cannot successfully fight a champion he should actually be a counter to... Can we now finally rethink Void's design and if it actually does make sense?
Then, he was intentionally paired with nodes that stack debuffs on you...ok, so the designers have taken it a step further now and actually embraced/doubled down on this part of his design to capitalize on debuffs that he himself did not place on the attacker. Ok..is what it is, I guess. What's the answer? Use a counter, a champ who shrugs debuffs. Often a skill champ. Which actually makes perfect sense as class advantage characters are often designed to counter the class which they have advantage over. 👍
After hearing about Kingpin's buff, I was pretty amped. I like XL champs, I need good skill champs to invest in as the class is in bad shape relative to other classes. Then, I discover that after his buff (which is a nice buff actually) he now literally cannot fight Void at all without taking severe, unavoidable damage? Seriously? He's a skill champ for whom a big piece of his kit is the ability to SHRUG DEBUFFS. He should be a hard counter to Void, but instead he can't even enter a fight with him? Like, Corvus vs Maw style? Seriously?
Void's ability to cause damage from debuffs that he himself did not place is out of control. When a skill champ, with class advantage who is actually made to shrug debuffs and also has had his abilities changed in an effort to make his own self applied debuffs be an asset for him, literally cannot successfully fight a champion he should actually be a counter to... Can we now finally rethink Void's design and if it actually does make sense?
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Take BWDO with HT for example or Magneto with most of the tech class etc.
The main premise of his character is that the more debuffs on him, the stronger he gets. By changing his Rage from passive effects to debuffs, you essentially make him better, since you now have more debuffs to work with, thus making it easier to deal more damage. Of course, that then makes him prime prey for Void, but that's how Void works. Yeah, it sucks that he'll be dead within seconds against Void, but is that not the same as a Mystic against Torch? Non-Mutants against a Bleeding Elsa?
"It's made me question whether it makes sense for Void to capitalize on debuffs he himself did not place. That's all."
Why would it not make sense? Also, what would count as a debuff that wouldn't be "placed" by Void? Is a Parry Stun a debuff "placed"? Wouldn't nodes such as LDR or ROF "place" the debuffs on Void's opponents? Wouldn't Biohazard "place" them as well?