Dude, passive fury is not a utility. If your excuse is that it adds damage, then pretty much everything in this game is a utility. I could add 10 different things to the list of the other characters' utility if that's supposed to count. And Colossus isn't just as useful since he doesn't have as much utility. He's not a dud but he's also not sure how amazing utility machine that you somehow think he is either.
Those are your opinions and perfectly fine for yourself but I listed his utilities and you dismissed them as not utility enough. I’m not gonna waste time trying to convince you because you’ve clearly made up your mind.
For anybody reading this that arent sure of certain champs and looking for answers, I implore you to avoid the forums and read up on the champs on auntmai and watch YouTube videos such as JasonVorhees to see how these champs play and who uses what to complete content.
No, passive fury isn't a utility. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So of course you're not going to convince me otherwise. Calling passive fury a utility is just absolutely insane.
What exactly is your definition of utility?
Something in a champion's kit that allows him to bypass certain nodes and abilities. There is not a single node or abiltiy in this game that a passive fury would bypass.
Dude, passive fury is not a utility. If your excuse is that it adds damage, then pretty much everything in this game is a utility. I could add 10 different things to the list of the other characters' utility if that's supposed to count. And Colossus isn't just as useful since he doesn't have as much utility. He's not a dud but he's also not sure how amazing utility machine that you somehow think he is either.
Those are your opinions and perfectly fine for yourself but I listed his utilities and you dismissed them as not utility enough. I’m not gonna waste time trying to convince you because you’ve clearly made up your mind.
For anybody reading this that arent sure of certain champs and looking for answers, I implore you to avoid the forums and read up on the champs on auntmai and watch YouTube videos such as JasonVorhees to see how these champs play and who uses what to complete content.
No, passive fury isn't a utility. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So of course you're not going to convince me otherwise. Calling passive fury a utility is just absolutely insane.
What exactly is your definition of utility?
Something in a champion's kit that allows him to bypass certain nodes and abilities. There is not a single node or abiltiy in this game that a passive fury would bypass.
It bypasses nullify and spite even though I wouldn’t use it for spite. And that’s not everybody’s definition of utility.
Dude, passive fury is not a utility. If your excuse is that it adds damage, then pretty much everything in this game is a utility. I could add 10 different things to the list of the other characters' utility if that's supposed to count. And Colossus isn't just as useful since he doesn't have as much utility. He's not a dud but he's also not sure how amazing utility machine that you somehow think he is either.
Those are your opinions and perfectly fine for yourself but I listed his utilities and you dismissed them as not utility enough. I’m not gonna waste time trying to convince you because you’ve clearly made up your mind.
For anybody reading this that arent sure of certain champs and looking for answers, I implore you to avoid the forums and read up on the champs on auntmai and watch YouTube videos such as JasonVorhees to see how these champs play and who uses what to complete content.
No, passive fury isn't a utility. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So of course you're not going to convince me otherwise. Calling passive fury a utility is just absolutely insane.
What exactly is your definition of utility?
Something in a champion's kit that allows him to bypass certain nodes and abilities. There is not a single node or abiltiy in this game that a passive fury would bypass.
It bypasses nullify and spite even though I wouldn’t use it for spite. And that’s not everybody’s definition of utility.
Dude, passive fury is not a utility. If your excuse is that it adds damage, then pretty much everything in this game is a utility. I could add 10 different things to the list of the other characters' utility if that's supposed to count. And Colossus isn't just as useful since he doesn't have as much utility. He's not a dud but he's also not sure how amazing utility machine that you somehow think he is either.
Those are your opinions and perfectly fine for yourself but I listed his utilities and you dismissed them as not utility enough. I’m not gonna waste time trying to convince you because you’ve clearly made up your mind.
For anybody reading this that arent sure of certain champs and looking for answers, I implore you to avoid the forums and read up on the champs on auntmai and watch YouTube videos such as JasonVorhees to see how these champs play and who uses what to complete content.
No, passive fury isn't a utility. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So of course you're not going to convince me otherwise. Calling passive fury a utility is just absolutely insane.
What exactly is your definition of utility?
Something in a champion's kit that allows him to bypass certain nodes and abilities. There is not a single node or abiltiy in this game that a passive fury would bypass.
It bypasses nullify and spite even though I wouldn’t use it for spite. And that’s not everybody’s definition of utility.
Dude, passive fury is not a utility. If your excuse is that it adds damage, then pretty much everything in this game is a utility. I could add 10 different things to the list of the other characters' utility if that's supposed to count. And Colossus isn't just as useful since he doesn't have as much utility. He's not a dud but he's also not sure how amazing utility machine that you somehow think he is either.
Those are your opinions and perfectly fine for yourself but I listed his utilities and you dismissed them as not utility enough. I’m not gonna waste time trying to convince you because you’ve clearly made up your mind.
For anybody reading this that arent sure of certain champs and looking for answers, I implore you to avoid the forums and read up on the champs on auntmai and watch YouTube videos such as JasonVorhees to see how these champs play and who uses what to complete content.
No, passive fury isn't a utility. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So of course you're not going to convince me otherwise. Calling passive fury a utility is just absolutely insane.
What exactly is your definition of utility?
Something in a champion's kit that allows him to bypass certain nodes and abilities. There is not a single node or abiltiy in this game that a passive fury would bypass.
It bypasses nullify and spite even though I wouldn’t use it for spite. And that’s not everybody’s definition of utility.
😂😂😂 That's so laughable. You're confusing bypassing with just not actively being bad against. And Colossus has armor up buffs anyways so he actually is actively bad against those nodes.
Dude, passive fury is not a utility. If your excuse is that it adds damage, then pretty much everything in this game is a utility. I could add 10 different things to the list of the other characters' utility if that's supposed to count. And Colossus isn't just as useful since he doesn't have as much utility. He's not a dud but he's also not sure how amazing utility machine that you somehow think he is either.
Those are your opinions and perfectly fine for yourself but I listed his utilities and you dismissed them as not utility enough. I’m not gonna waste time trying to convince you because you’ve clearly made up your mind.
For anybody reading this that arent sure of certain champs and looking for answers, I implore you to avoid the forums and read up on the champs on auntmai and watch YouTube videos such as JasonVorhees to see how these champs play and who uses what to complete content.
No, passive fury isn't a utility. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So of course you're not going to convince me otherwise. Calling passive fury a utility is just absolutely insane.
What exactly is your definition of utility?
Something in a champion's kit that allows him to bypass certain nodes and abilities. There is not a single node or abiltiy in this game that a passive fury would bypass.
It bypasses nullify and spite even though I wouldn’t use it for spite. And that’s not everybody’s definition of utility.
Dude, passive fury is not a utility. If your excuse is that it adds damage, then pretty much everything in this game is a utility. I could add 10 different things to the list of the other characters' utility if that's supposed to count. And Colossus isn't just as useful since he doesn't have as much utility. He's not a dud but he's also not sure how amazing utility machine that you somehow think he is either.
Those are your opinions and perfectly fine for yourself but I listed his utilities and you dismissed them as not utility enough. I’m not gonna waste time trying to convince you because you’ve clearly made up your mind.
For anybody reading this that arent sure of certain champs and looking for answers, I implore you to avoid the forums and read up on the champs on auntmai and watch YouTube videos such as JasonVorhees to see how these champs play and who uses what to complete content.
No, passive fury isn't a utility. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So of course you're not going to convince me otherwise. Calling passive fury a utility is just absolutely insane.
What exactly is your definition of utility?
Something in a champion's kit that allows him to bypass certain nodes and abilities. There is not a single node or abiltiy in this game that a passive fury would bypass.
It bypasses nullify and spite even though I wouldn’t use it for spite. And that’s not everybody’s definition of utility.
😂😂😂 That's so laughable. You're confusing bypassing with just not actively being bad against. And Colossus has armor up buffs anyways so he actually is actively bad against those nodes.
That’s why I said I wouldn’t use him there. Why are you being rude?
Dude, passive fury is not a utility. If your excuse is that it adds damage, then pretty much everything in this game is a utility. I could add 10 different things to the list of the other characters' utility if that's supposed to count. And Colossus isn't just as useful since he doesn't have as much utility. He's not a dud but he's also not sure how amazing utility machine that you somehow think he is either.
Those are your opinions and perfectly fine for yourself but I listed his utilities and you dismissed them as not utility enough. I’m not gonna waste time trying to convince you because you’ve clearly made up your mind.
For anybody reading this that arent sure of certain champs and looking for answers, I implore you to avoid the forums and read up on the champs on auntmai and watch YouTube videos such as JasonVorhees to see how these champs play and who uses what to complete content.
No, passive fury isn't a utility. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So of course you're not going to convince me otherwise. Calling passive fury a utility is just absolutely insane.
What exactly is your definition of utility?
Something in a champion's kit that allows him to bypass certain nodes and abilities. There is not a single node or abiltiy in this game that a passive fury would bypass.
It bypasses nullify and spite even though I wouldn’t use it for spite. And that’s not everybody’s definition of utility.
Dude, passive fury is not a utility. If your excuse is that it adds damage, then pretty much everything in this game is a utility. I could add 10 different things to the list of the other characters' utility if that's supposed to count. And Colossus isn't just as useful since he doesn't have as much utility. He's not a dud but he's also not sure how amazing utility machine that you somehow think he is either.
Those are your opinions and perfectly fine for yourself but I listed his utilities and you dismissed them as not utility enough. I’m not gonna waste time trying to convince you because you’ve clearly made up your mind.
For anybody reading this that arent sure of certain champs and looking for answers, I implore you to avoid the forums and read up on the champs on auntmai and watch YouTube videos such as JasonVorhees to see how these champs play and who uses what to complete content.
No, passive fury isn't a utility. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So of course you're not going to convince me otherwise. Calling passive fury a utility is just absolutely insane.
What exactly is your definition of utility?
Something in a champion's kit that allows him to bypass certain nodes and abilities. There is not a single node or abiltiy in this game that a passive fury would bypass.
It bypasses nullify and spite even though I wouldn’t use it for spite. And that’s not everybody’s definition of utility.
😂😂😂 That's so laughable. You're confusing bypassing with just not actively being bad against. And Colossus has armor up buffs anyways so he actually is actively bad against those nodes.
That’s why I said I wouldn’t use him there. Why are you being rude?
I'm not trying to be rude, but not only is Colossus himself not actually a counter, but passive furies don't bypass those nodes. Or any nodes for that matter.
Dude, passive fury is not a utility. If your excuse is that it adds damage, then pretty much everything in this game is a utility. I could add 10 different things to the list of the other characters' utility if that's supposed to count. And Colossus isn't just as useful since he doesn't have as much utility. He's not a dud but he's also not sure how amazing utility machine that you somehow think he is either.
Those are your opinions and perfectly fine for yourself but I listed his utilities and you dismissed them as not utility enough. I’m not gonna waste time trying to convince you because you’ve clearly made up your mind.
For anybody reading this that arent sure of certain champs and looking for answers, I implore you to avoid the forums and read up on the champs on auntmai and watch YouTube videos such as JasonVorhees to see how these champs play and who uses what to complete content.
No, passive fury isn't a utility. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So of course you're not going to convince me otherwise. Calling passive fury a utility is just absolutely insane.
What exactly is your definition of utility?
Something in a champion's kit that allows him to bypass certain nodes and abilities. There is not a single node or abiltiy in this game that a passive fury would bypass.
It bypasses nullify and spite even though I wouldn’t use it for spite. And that’s not everybody’s definition of utility.
Dude, passive fury is not a utility. If your excuse is that it adds damage, then pretty much everything in this game is a utility. I could add 10 different things to the list of the other characters' utility if that's supposed to count. And Colossus isn't just as useful since he doesn't have as much utility. He's not a dud but he's also not sure how amazing utility machine that you somehow think he is either.
Those are your opinions and perfectly fine for yourself but I listed his utilities and you dismissed them as not utility enough. I’m not gonna waste time trying to convince you because you’ve clearly made up your mind.
For anybody reading this that arent sure of certain champs and looking for answers, I implore you to avoid the forums and read up on the champs on auntmai and watch YouTube videos such as JasonVorhees to see how these champs play and who uses what to complete content.
No, passive fury isn't a utility. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So of course you're not going to convince me otherwise. Calling passive fury a utility is just absolutely insane.
What exactly is your definition of utility?
Something in a champion's kit that allows him to bypass certain nodes and abilities. There is not a single node or abiltiy in this game that a passive fury would bypass.
It bypasses nullify and spite even though I wouldn’t use it for spite. And that’s not everybody’s definition of utility.
😂😂😂 That's so laughable. You're confusing bypassing with just not actively being bad against. And Colossus has armor up buffs anyways so he actually is actively bad against those nodes.
That’s why I said I wouldn’t use him there. Why are you being rude?
I'm not trying to be rude, but not only is Colossus himself not actually a counter, but passive furies don't bypass those nodes. Or any nodes for that matter.
I personally like colossus better than most champs in the game as I used him more than any other champ when exploring act 6. Fights against robots and metal of course I’m gonna use red mags. And I’ll use torch against mystics usually.
Anyways, regardless of opinion on whether passive fury is considered a utility or not, I agree his immunities add up to have as much utility as any other. If you break down the counts for each champion and what exactly they can counter, I’ll bet you will find colossus fits in the top somewhere.
You’re posting this question on a forum that features many comments stating that colossus doesn’t have much utility. Think about that... then choose who you enjoy using the most. There’s no bad choice there.
I hear all this stuff about Colossus having a lot of utility and I have not once heard a valid argument. He has 3 immunities and armor ups... what am I missing? Nothing. I'm missing nothing. It's not that he has no utility but compare his to Omega, Mags, AA, Poco, Prof X, it doesn't compare.
He is immune to coldsnap, incinerate, bleed, armor break and armor shatter (except against techs), he gains armor ups which increase his attack. He gets a fury for his heavies. And his parry heavy makes evaders no problem. His ability to gain armors when a debuff he is immune to is attempted making someone like mephisto a breeze. Also when duped, parries reflect damage back on the defender. Not gonna debate who is better but to call that many things not a lot of utility and you haven’t heard a valid argument is simply disingenuous. I have a max sig 6 r3 omega and love him but colossus gameplay is simply usually easier for me due to the AI knowing to back off and be passive to interrupt spores.
See, this is the kind of stuff I get every time I ask about his utility. A passive fury isn't a utility. Being able to handle stunnable evaders isn't a valid utility. Literally every champ in the game can deal with stunnable evaders in the same exact way Colossus can. So that leaves immunities and armor ups. I'm not saying it's bad utility cause it's obviously not. He has some of the least common immunities in the game and armor ups counter some things like Havok and buffed up, but it's ridiculous that people act like he has a lot of utility. The reason he's rated so highly is because of his damage.
You keep saying he doesn’t have a lot of utility and that’s where the issue is. He has a lot of utility that you are dismissive of in favor of other utilities. A passive fury absolutely is a form of utility. His high damage from stacking his armors and using a heavy can land for over 30k. Not many others can do that. You’re giving incorrect information by framing colossus as inferior to people asking questions on forums that could greatly benefit from having him ranked up.
How the hell is passive fury a utility? How? There's not a single place in the game where you need passive fury. And again you're talking about his damage. I've already said his damage is great. It's what even brings him into the top Mutant discussion sicne his utility isn't on par with the others I mentioned.
Because it is more than nothing. It is something that not everybody has on their heavy attack. Utility involves parts to their kits that assist in fights. That fury adds damage. And I never said those other champs werent useful or as useful. They all are keys to certain matchups. I’m just saying that colossus is just as useful and not the mediocre dud you keep framing him as.
dude, passive fury is just part of damage. Also we know he isnt mediocre but he isnt the best mutant and doesn't have a huge amount of utility
Didn’t you say you don’t have a colossus even ranked up?
Dude, passive fury is not a utility. If your excuse is that it adds damage, then pretty much everything in this game is a utility. I could add 10 different things to the list of the other characters' utility if that's supposed to count. And Colossus isn't just as useful since he doesn't have as much utility. He's not a dud but he's also not sure how amazing utility machine that you somehow think he is either.
Those are your opinions and perfectly fine for yourself but I listed his utilities and you dismissed them as not utility enough. I’m not gonna waste time trying to convince you because you’ve clearly made up your mind.
For anybody reading this that arent sure of certain champs and looking for answers, I implore you to avoid the forums and read up on the champs on auntmai and watch YouTube videos such as JasonVorhees to see how these champs play and who uses what to complete content.
No, passive fury isn't a utility. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So of course you're not going to convince me otherwise. Calling passive fury a utility is just absolutely insane.
What exactly is your definition of utility?
Something in a champion's kit that allows him to bypass certain nodes and abilities. There is not a single node or abiltiy in this game that a passive fury would bypass.
It bypasses nullify and spite even though I wouldn’t use it for spite. And that’s not everybody’s definition of utility.
Dude, passive fury is not a utility. If your excuse is that it adds damage, then pretty much everything in this game is a utility. I could add 10 different things to the list of the other characters' utility if that's supposed to count. And Colossus isn't just as useful since he doesn't have as much utility. He's not a dud but he's also not sure how amazing utility machine that you somehow think he is either.
Those are your opinions and perfectly fine for yourself but I listed his utilities and you dismissed them as not utility enough. I’m not gonna waste time trying to convince you because you’ve clearly made up your mind.
For anybody reading this that arent sure of certain champs and looking for answers, I implore you to avoid the forums and read up on the champs on auntmai and watch YouTube videos such as JasonVorhees to see how these champs play and who uses what to complete content.
No, passive fury isn't a utility. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So of course you're not going to convince me otherwise. Calling passive fury a utility is just absolutely insane.
What exactly is your definition of utility?
Something in a champion's kit that allows him to bypass certain nodes and abilities. There is not a single node or abiltiy in this game that a passive fury would bypass.
It bypasses nullify and spite even though I wouldn’t use it for spite because of the armors. And that’s not everybody’s definition of utility.
Dude, passive fury is not a utility. If your excuse is that it adds damage, then pretty much everything in this game is a utility. I could add 10 different things to the list of the other characters' utility if that's supposed to count. And Colossus isn't just as useful since he doesn't have as much utility. He's not a dud but he's also not sure how amazing utility machine that you somehow think he is either.
Those are your opinions and perfectly fine for yourself but I listed his utilities and you dismissed them as not utility enough. I’m not gonna waste time trying to convince you because you’ve clearly made up your mind.
For anybody reading this that arent sure of certain champs and looking for answers, I implore you to avoid the forums and read up on the champs on auntmai and watch YouTube videos such as JasonVorhees to see how these champs play and who uses what to complete content.
No, passive fury isn't a utility. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So of course you're not going to convince me otherwise. Calling passive fury a utility is just absolutely insane.
What exactly is your definition of utility?
Something in a champion's kit that allows him to bypass certain nodes and abilities. There is not a single node or abiltiy in this game that a passive fury would bypass.
It bypasses nullify and spite even though I wouldn’t use it for spite. And that’s not everybody’s definition of utility.
Dude, passive fury is not a utility. If your excuse is that it adds damage, then pretty much everything in this game is a utility. I could add 10 different things to the list of the other characters' utility if that's supposed to count. And Colossus isn't just as useful since he doesn't have as much utility. He's not a dud but he's also not sure how amazing utility machine that you somehow think he is either.
Those are your opinions and perfectly fine for yourself but I listed his utilities and you dismissed them as not utility enough. I’m not gonna waste time trying to convince you because you’ve clearly made up your mind.
For anybody reading this that arent sure of certain champs and looking for answers, I implore you to avoid the forums and read up on the champs on auntmai and watch YouTube videos such as JasonVorhees to see how these champs play and who uses what to complete content.
No, passive fury isn't a utility. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So of course you're not going to convince me otherwise. Calling passive fury a utility is just absolutely insane.
What exactly is your definition of utility?
Something in a champion's kit that allows him to bypass certain nodes and abilities. There is not a single node or abiltiy in this game that a passive fury would bypass.
It bypasses nullify and spite even though I wouldn’t use it for spite. And that’s not everybody’s definition of utility.
Bruh, no it does not. 😂
Can it be nullified?
No but those nodes don't require a fury in the first place. CAIW for example can do pretty well on Spite. But that's not because he has a passive fury, it's cause he as a character only gains precision from dex. CAIW as a character bypasses Spite, not his passive fury. Saying passive fury bypasses Spite is like saying Hyperion's Cosmic charges counters it, or that Corvus' glaive charges coutners it just because they're passives, not buffs. It makes zero sense.
Dude, passive fury is not a utility. If your excuse is that it adds damage, then pretty much everything in this game is a utility. I could add 10 different things to the list of the other characters' utility if that's supposed to count. And Colossus isn't just as useful since he doesn't have as much utility. He's not a dud but he's also not sure how amazing utility machine that you somehow think he is either.
Those are your opinions and perfectly fine for yourself but I listed his utilities and you dismissed them as not utility enough. I’m not gonna waste time trying to convince you because you’ve clearly made up your mind.
For anybody reading this that arent sure of certain champs and looking for answers, I implore you to avoid the forums and read up on the champs on auntmai and watch YouTube videos such as JasonVorhees to see how these champs play and who uses what to complete content.
No, passive fury isn't a utility. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So of course you're not going to convince me otherwise. Calling passive fury a utility is just absolutely insane.
What exactly is your definition of utility?
Something in a champion's kit that allows him to bypass certain nodes and abilities. There is not a single node or abiltiy in this game that a passive fury would bypass.
It bypasses nullify and spite even though I wouldn’t use it for spite. And that’s not everybody’s definition of utility.
Bruh, no it does not. 😂
Can it be nullified?
No but those nodes don't require a fury in the first place. CAIW for example can do pretty well on Spite. But that's not because he has a passive fury, it's cause he as a character only gains precision from dex. CAIW as a character bypasses Spite, not his passive fury. Saying passive fury bypasses Spite is like saying Hyperion's Cosmic charges counters it, or that Corvus' glaive charges coutners it just because they're passives, not buffs. It makes zero sense.
Dude, passive fury is not a utility. If your excuse is that it adds damage, then pretty much everything in this game is a utility. I could add 10 different things to the list of the other characters' utility if that's supposed to count. And Colossus isn't just as useful since he doesn't have as much utility. He's not a dud but he's also not sure how amazing utility machine that you somehow think he is either.
Those are your opinions and perfectly fine for yourself but I listed his utilities and you dismissed them as not utility enough. I’m not gonna waste time trying to convince you because you’ve clearly made up your mind.
For anybody reading this that arent sure of certain champs and looking for answers, I implore you to avoid the forums and read up on the champs on auntmai and watch YouTube videos such as JasonVorhees to see how these champs play and who uses what to complete content.
No, passive fury isn't a utility. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So of course you're not going to convince me otherwise. Calling passive fury a utility is just absolutely insane.
What exactly is your definition of utility?
Something in a champion's kit that allows him to bypass certain nodes and abilities. There is not a single node or abiltiy in this game that a passive fury would bypass.
It bypasses nullify and spite even though I wouldn’t use it for spite. And that’s not everybody’s definition of utility.
Bruh, no it does not. 😂
Can it be nullified?
No but those nodes don't require a fury in the first place. CAIW for example can do pretty well on Spite. But that's not because he has a passive fury, it's cause he as a character only gains precision from dex. CAIW as a character bypasses Spite, not his passive fury. Saying passive fury bypasses Spite is like saying Hyperion's Cosmic charges counters it, or that Corvus' glaive charges coutners it just because they're passives, not buffs. It makes zero sense.
Right but that wasn’t my point. I was just trying to point out that the fury itself cannot be nullified. Not that colossus is good for that node. His other utility in immunities, easy access to stacked armors, reflected damage, and high damage is what makes him useful. That passive fury is guaranteed on the heavy and can’t be stopped hence why I would consider it a utility itself. Which I know is a subjective term.
Dude, passive fury is not a utility. If your excuse is that it adds damage, then pretty much everything in this game is a utility. I could add 10 different things to the list of the other characters' utility if that's supposed to count. And Colossus isn't just as useful since he doesn't have as much utility. He's not a dud but he's also not sure how amazing utility machine that you somehow think he is either.
Those are your opinions and perfectly fine for yourself but I listed his utilities and you dismissed them as not utility enough. I’m not gonna waste time trying to convince you because you’ve clearly made up your mind.
For anybody reading this that arent sure of certain champs and looking for answers, I implore you to avoid the forums and read up on the champs on auntmai and watch YouTube videos such as JasonVorhees to see how these champs play and who uses what to complete content.
No, passive fury isn't a utility. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So of course you're not going to convince me otherwise. Calling passive fury a utility is just absolutely insane.
What exactly is your definition of utility?
Something in a champion's kit that allows him to bypass certain nodes and abilities. There is not a single node or abiltiy in this game that a passive fury would bypass.
It bypasses nullify and spite even though I wouldn’t use it for spite. And that’s not everybody’s definition of utility.
Bruh, no it does not. 😂
Can it be nullified?
No but those nodes don't require a fury in the first place. CAIW for example can do pretty well on Spite. But that's not because he has a passive fury, it's cause he as a character only gains precision from dex. CAIW as a character bypasses Spite, not his passive fury. Saying passive fury bypasses Spite is like saying Hyperion's Cosmic charges counters it, or that Corvus' glaive charges coutners it just because they're passives, not buffs. It makes zero sense.
Dude, passive fury is not a utility. If your excuse is that it adds damage, then pretty much everything in this game is a utility. I could add 10 different things to the list of the other characters' utility if that's supposed to count. And Colossus isn't just as useful since he doesn't have as much utility. He's not a dud but he's also not sure how amazing utility machine that you somehow think he is either.
Those are your opinions and perfectly fine for yourself but I listed his utilities and you dismissed them as not utility enough. I’m not gonna waste time trying to convince you because you’ve clearly made up your mind.
For anybody reading this that arent sure of certain champs and looking for answers, I implore you to avoid the forums and read up on the champs on auntmai and watch YouTube videos such as JasonVorhees to see how these champs play and who uses what to complete content.
No, passive fury isn't a utility. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So of course you're not going to convince me otherwise. Calling passive fury a utility is just absolutely insane.
What exactly is your definition of utility?
Something in a champion's kit that allows him to bypass certain nodes and abilities. There is not a single node or abiltiy in this game that a passive fury would bypass.
It bypasses nullify and spite even though I wouldn’t use it for spite. And that’s not everybody’s definition of utility.
Bruh, no it does not. 😂
Can it be nullified?
No but those nodes don't require a fury in the first place. CAIW for example can do pretty well on Spite. But that's not because he has a passive fury, it's cause he as a character only gains precision from dex. CAIW as a character bypasses Spite, not his passive fury. Saying passive fury bypasses Spite is like saying Hyperion's Cosmic charges counters it, or that Corvus' glaive charges coutners it just because they're passives, not buffs. It makes zero sense.
Right but that wasn’t my point. I was just trying to point out that the fury itself cannot be nullified. Not that colossus is good for that node. His other utility in immunities, easy access to stacked armors, reflected damage, and high damage is what makes him useful. That passive fury is guaranteed on the heavy and can’t be stopped hence why I would consider it a utility itself. Which I know is a subjective term.
So this is a utility because it can't be nullified? No dude, it's not. A passive fury is not a utility under any conditions.
You’re posting this question on a forum that features many comments stating that colossus doesn’t have much utility. Think about that... then choose who you enjoy using the most. There’s no bad choice there.
I hear all this stuff about Colossus having a lot of utility and I have not once heard a valid argument. He has 3 immunities and armor ups... what am I missing? Nothing. I'm missing nothing. It's not that he has no utility but compare his to Omega, Mags, AA, Poco, Prof X, it doesn't compare.
He is immune to coldsnap, incinerate, bleed, armor break and armor shatter (except against techs), he gains armor ups which increase his attack. He gets a fury for his heavies. And his parry heavy makes evaders no problem. His ability to gain armors when a debuff he is immune to is attempted making someone like mephisto a breeze. Also when duped, parries reflect damage back on the defender. Not gonna debate who is better but to call that many things not a lot of utility and you haven’t heard a valid argument is simply disingenuous. I have a max sig 6 r3 omega and love him but colossus gameplay is simply usually easier for me due to the AI knowing to back off and be passive to interrupt spores.
Literally every champ in the game can deal with stunnable evaders in the same exact way Colossus can. .
This is flat out wrong. Most champs if restricted to only attacking during stuns lose out on their utility and damage. Colossus does not suffer this problem. You can play him the exact same way you would fight non evade champs and get the same result.
Claire cant switch curses Omega cant keep spores as easily Doom rotation is difficult Stealthy has to wait till sp2 before being able to deal damage and even then will lose too much health Champs with tight rotation are screwed. Nick cant get his bleeds until he throws of 2-3 specials
And at the base doing only 3 hit combo means less damage for each block mad you lose lot of health to blockdamage
There are plenty of parry heavy champs in this game and plenty of champs that do perfectly well with 3 hit combos. That doesn't mean I'm going to be calling them evade counters. Stunnable evade champs can be handled by every single champion in this game just fine so it's not exactly valuable. Stun immune evade champs are the ones that need to be countered.
Dude, passive fury is not a utility. If your excuse is that it adds damage, then pretty much everything in this game is a utility. I could add 10 different things to the list of the other characters' utility if that's supposed to count. And Colossus isn't just as useful since he doesn't have as much utility. He's not a dud but he's also not sure how amazing utility machine that you somehow think he is either.
Those are your opinions and perfectly fine for yourself but I listed his utilities and you dismissed them as not utility enough. I’m not gonna waste time trying to convince you because you’ve clearly made up your mind.
For anybody reading this that arent sure of certain champs and looking for answers, I implore you to avoid the forums and read up on the champs on auntmai and watch YouTube videos such as JasonVorhees to see how these champs play and who uses what to complete content.
No, passive fury isn't a utility. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So of course you're not going to convince me otherwise. Calling passive fury a utility is just absolutely insane.
What exactly is your definition of utility?
Something in a champion's kit that allows him to bypass certain nodes and abilities. There is not a single node or abiltiy in this game that a passive fury would bypass.
It bypasses nullify and spite even though I wouldn’t use it for spite. And that’s not everybody’s definition of utility.
Bruh, no it does not. 😂
Can it be nullified?
No but those nodes don't require a fury in the first place. CAIW for example can do pretty well on Spite. But that's not because he has a passive fury, it's cause he as a character only gains precision from dex. CAIW as a character bypasses Spite, not his passive fury. Saying passive fury bypasses Spite is like saying Hyperion's Cosmic charges counters it, or that Corvus' glaive charges coutners it just because they're passives, not buffs. It makes zero sense.
Dude, passive fury is not a utility. If your excuse is that it adds damage, then pretty much everything in this game is a utility. I could add 10 different things to the list of the other characters' utility if that's supposed to count. And Colossus isn't just as useful since he doesn't have as much utility. He's not a dud but he's also not sure how amazing utility machine that you somehow think he is either.
Those are your opinions and perfectly fine for yourself but I listed his utilities and you dismissed them as not utility enough. I’m not gonna waste time trying to convince you because you’ve clearly made up your mind.
For anybody reading this that arent sure of certain champs and looking for answers, I implore you to avoid the forums and read up on the champs on auntmai and watch YouTube videos such as JasonVorhees to see how these champs play and who uses what to complete content.
No, passive fury isn't a utility. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So of course you're not going to convince me otherwise. Calling passive fury a utility is just absolutely insane.
What exactly is your definition of utility?
Something in a champion's kit that allows him to bypass certain nodes and abilities. There is not a single node or abiltiy in this game that a passive fury would bypass.
It bypasses nullify and spite even though I wouldn’t use it for spite. And that’s not everybody’s definition of utility.
Bruh, no it does not. 😂
Can it be nullified?
No but those nodes don't require a fury in the first place. CAIW for example can do pretty well on Spite. But that's not because he has a passive fury, it's cause he as a character only gains precision from dex. CAIW as a character bypasses Spite, not his passive fury. Saying passive fury bypasses Spite is like saying Hyperion's Cosmic charges counters it, or that Corvus' glaive charges coutners it just because they're passives, not buffs. It makes zero sense.
Right but that wasn’t my point. I was just trying to point out that the fury itself cannot be nullified. Not that colossus is good for that node. His other utility in immunities, easy access to stacked armors, reflected damage, and high damage is what makes him useful. That passive fury is guaranteed on the heavy and can’t be stopped hence why I would consider it a utility itself. Which I know is a subjective term.
So this is a utility because it can't be nullified? No dude, it's not. A passive fury is not a utility under any conditions.
his cosmic charges grant him an attack boost and physical resistance . And it cannot be taken away by opponents abilities. Thats definitely a utility
I'm talking about Spite. That Cosmic charge isn't a utility because it counters Spite. Cause it doesn't. As far as Colossus's passive fury goes, that's not a utility at all. All it does is increase attack rating which is used to counter absolutely nothing at all. I can't even think of a worse example to compare that to. Just imagine a fury buff that didn't count towards caustic temper/buffed up, etc and you've got a passive fury which literally has no use.
I can’t believe a conversation over the interpretation of the word utility has triggered this many long drawn out responses. Most containing contradictions lol
You’re posting this question on a forum that features many comments stating that colossus doesn’t have much utility. Think about that... then choose who you enjoy using the most. There’s no bad choice there.
I hear all this stuff about Colossus having a lot of utility and I have not once heard a valid argument. He has 3 immunities and armor ups... what am I missing? Nothing. I'm missing nothing. It's not that he has no utility but compare his to Omega, Mags, AA, Poco, Prof X, it doesn't compare.
He is immune to coldsnap, incinerate, bleed, armor break and armor shatter (except against techs), he gains armor ups which increase his attack. He gets a fury for his heavies. And his parry heavy makes evaders no problem. His ability to gain armors when a debuff he is immune to is attempted making someone like mephisto a breeze. Also when duped, parries reflect damage back on the defender. Not gonna debate who is better but to call that many things not a lot of utility and you haven’t heard a valid argument is simply disingenuous. I have a max sig 6 r3 omega and love him but colossus gameplay is simply usually easier for me due to the AI knowing to back off and be passive to interrupt spores.
See, this is the kind of stuff I get every time I ask about his utility. A passive fury isn't a utility. Being able to handle stunnable evaders isn't a valid utility. Literally every champ in the game can deal with stunnable evaders in the same exact way Colossus can. So that leaves immunities and armor ups. I'm not saying it's bad utility cause it's obviously not. He has some of the least common immunities in the game and armor ups counter some things like Havok and buffed up, but it's ridiculous that people act like he has a lot of utility. The reason he's rated so highly is because of his damage.
You keep saying he doesn’t have a lot of utility and that’s where the issue is. He has a lot of utility that you are dismissive of in favor of other utilities. A passive fury absolutely is a form of utility. His high damage from stacking his armors and using a heavy can land for over 30k. Not many others can do that. You’re giving incorrect information by framing colossus as inferior to people asking questions on forums that could greatly benefit from having him ranked up.
How the hell is passive fury a utility? How? There's not a single place in the game where you need passive fury. And again you're talking about his damage. I've already said his damage is great. It's what even brings him into the top Mutant discussion sicne his utility isn't on par with the others I mentioned.
Because it is more than nothing. It is something that not everybody has on their heavy attack. Utility involves parts to their kits that assist in fights. That fury adds damage. And I never said those other champs werent useful or as useful. They all are keys to certain matchups. I’m just saying that colossus is just as useful and not the mediocre dud you keep framing him as.
dude, passive fury is just part of damage. Also we know he isnt mediocre but he isnt the best mutant and doesn't have a huge amount of utility
Didn’t you say you don’t have a colossus even ranked up?
My col is 5* r5 sig 140 and I dont use him much over other champs
Dude, passive fury is not a utility. If your excuse is that it adds damage, then pretty much everything in this game is a utility. I could add 10 different things to the list of the other characters' utility if that's supposed to count. And Colossus isn't just as useful since he doesn't have as much utility. He's not a dud but he's also not sure how amazing utility machine that you somehow think he is either.
Those are your opinions and perfectly fine for yourself but I listed his utilities and you dismissed them as not utility enough. I’m not gonna waste time trying to convince you because you’ve clearly made up your mind.
For anybody reading this that arent sure of certain champs and looking for answers, I implore you to avoid the forums and read up on the champs on auntmai and watch YouTube videos such as JasonVorhees to see how these champs play and who uses what to complete content.
No, passive fury isn't a utility. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So of course you're not going to convince me otherwise. Calling passive fury a utility is just absolutely insane.
What exactly is your definition of utility?
Something in a champion's kit that allows him to bypass certain nodes and abilities. There is not a single node or abiltiy in this game that a passive fury would bypass.
It bypasses nullify and spite even though I wouldn’t use it for spite. And that’s not everybody’s definition of utility.
Bruh, no it does not. 😂
Can it be nullified?
No but those nodes don't require a fury in the first place. CAIW for example can do pretty well on Spite. But that's not because he has a passive fury, it's cause he as a character only gains precision from dex. CAIW as a character bypasses Spite, not his passive fury. Saying passive fury bypasses Spite is like saying Hyperion's Cosmic charges counters it, or that Corvus' glaive charges coutners it just because they're passives, not buffs. It makes zero sense.
Dude, passive fury is not a utility. If your excuse is that it adds damage, then pretty much everything in this game is a utility. I could add 10 different things to the list of the other characters' utility if that's supposed to count. And Colossus isn't just as useful since he doesn't have as much utility. He's not a dud but he's also not sure how amazing utility machine that you somehow think he is either.
Those are your opinions and perfectly fine for yourself but I listed his utilities and you dismissed them as not utility enough. I’m not gonna waste time trying to convince you because you’ve clearly made up your mind.
For anybody reading this that arent sure of certain champs and looking for answers, I implore you to avoid the forums and read up on the champs on auntmai and watch YouTube videos such as JasonVorhees to see how these champs play and who uses what to complete content.
No, passive fury isn't a utility. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. So of course you're not going to convince me otherwise. Calling passive fury a utility is just absolutely insane.
What exactly is your definition of utility?
Something in a champion's kit that allows him to bypass certain nodes and abilities. There is not a single node or abiltiy in this game that a passive fury would bypass.
It bypasses nullify and spite even though I wouldn’t use it for spite. And that’s not everybody’s definition of utility.
Bruh, no it does not. 😂
Can it be nullified?
No but those nodes don't require a fury in the first place. CAIW for example can do pretty well on Spite. But that's not because he has a passive fury, it's cause he as a character only gains precision from dex. CAIW as a character bypasses Spite, not his passive fury. Saying passive fury bypasses Spite is like saying Hyperion's Cosmic charges counters it, or that Corvus' glaive charges coutners it just because they're passives, not buffs. It makes zero sense.
Right but that wasn’t my point. I was just trying to point out that the fury itself cannot be nullified. Not that colossus is good for that node. His other utility in immunities, easy access to stacked armors, reflected damage, and high damage is what makes him useful. That passive fury is guaranteed on the heavy and can’t be stopped hence why I would consider it a utility itself. Which I know is a subjective term.
So this is a utility because it can't be nullified? No dude, it's not. A passive fury is not a utility under any conditions.
his cosmic charges grant him an attack boost and physical resistance . And it cannot be taken away by opponents abilities. Thats definitely a utility
I looked through the comments to see if you had responded to this but you haven’t yet. I didn’t vote because it’s based on this, do you have an awakened 5* ghost, if you do, take warlock to rank 3. If not, take ghost to rank 3.
A question for rankup got to be a colossus bashing thread..... @Etjama@CaptainGame whoever discussing colo, i suggest make another thread on colossus....
OP, my personal preference is g99, because my BG required an r3. I enjoy g99 a lot, and she crushes r3 apoc bosses for lunch. The added stats from r3 help her stay alive vs r3 apoc bosses (i cant dodge the specials).
Warlock would also be a great pick, he benefits a ton from the added stats. I personally find ghosts awakened ability critical to playing her. Unduped i find her really painful to play. In the end, talk to your alliance, examine the content you need to do, and see who you prefer playing more before making your choice. There is no wrong answer here.
You’re posting this question on a forum that features many comments stating that colossus doesn’t have much utility. Think about that... then choose who you enjoy using the most. There’s no bad choice there.
I hear all this stuff about Colossus having a lot of utility and I have not once heard a valid argument. He has 3 immunities and armor ups... what am I missing? Nothing. I'm missing nothing. It's not that he has no utility but compare his to Omega, Mags, AA, Poco, Prof X, it doesn't compare.
He is immune to coldsnap, incinerate, bleed, armor break and armor shatter (except against techs), he gains armor ups which increase his attack. He gets a fury for his heavies. And his parry heavy makes evaders no problem. His ability to gain armors when a debuff he is immune to is attempted making someone like mephisto a breeze. Also when duped, parries reflect damage back on the defender. Not gonna debate who is better but to call that many things not a lot of utility and you haven’t heard a valid argument is simply disingenuous. I have a max sig 6 r3 omega and love him but colossus gameplay is simply usually easier for me due to the AI knowing to back off and be passive to interrupt spores.
Literally every champ in the game can deal with stunnable evaders in the same exact way Colossus can. .
This is flat out wrong. Most champs if restricted to only attacking during stuns lose out on their utility and damage. Colossus does not suffer this problem. You can play him the exact same way you would fight non evade champs and get the same result.
Claire cant switch curses Omega cant keep spores as easily Doom rotation is difficult Stealthy has to wait till sp2 before being able to deal damage and even then will lose too much health Champs with tight rotation are screwed. Nick cant get his bleeds until he throws of 2-3 specials
And at the base doing only 3 hit combo means less damage for each block mad you lose lot of health to blockdamage
There are plenty of parry heavy champs in this game and plenty of champs that do perfectly well with 3 hit combos. That doesn't mean I'm going to be calling them evade counters. Stunnable evade champs can be handled by every single champion in this game just fine so it's not exactly valuable. Stun immune evade champs are the ones that need to be countered.
You said literally every champ works for stun able evade champs just like colossuss. That's objectively false. There is no way you can use Claire agaisnt freezer burn mix master. But guess which champion completely ignored the nodes?
I'm facepalming all over, this is just all wrong. First of all, yes you can use Claire for Mix Master/Freezer Burn. Just throw 2 LLLML combos on a parry and you're in your incinerate phase. And of course not every champ can deal with a stunnable evade champ on freezer burn because not every champ ignores freezer burn. That's like saying, "Colossus can't counter stunnable evade champs cause what if you combine Mix Master with a poison node!" Your logic is way off.
You’re posting this question on a forum that features many comments stating that colossus doesn’t have much utility. Think about that... then choose who you enjoy using the most. There’s no bad choice there.
I hear all this stuff about Colossus having a lot of utility and I have not once heard a valid argument. He has 3 immunities and armor ups... what am I missing? Nothing. I'm missing nothing. It's not that he has no utility but compare his to Omega, Mags, AA, Poco, Prof X, it doesn't compare.
He is immune to coldsnap, incinerate, bleed, armor break and armor shatter (except against techs), he gains armor ups which increase his attack. He gets a fury for his heavies. And his parry heavy makes evaders no problem. His ability to gain armors when a debuff he is immune to is attempted making someone like mephisto a breeze. Also when duped, parries reflect damage back on the defender. Not gonna debate who is better but to call that many things not a lot of utility and you haven’t heard a valid argument is simply disingenuous. I have a max sig 6 r3 omega and love him but colossus gameplay is simply usually easier for me due to the AI knowing to back off and be passive to interrupt spores.
Literally every champ in the game can deal with stunnable evaders in the same exact way Colossus can. .
This is flat out wrong. Most champs if restricted to only attacking during stuns lose out on their utility and damage. Colossus does not suffer this problem. You can play him the exact same way you would fight non evade champs and get the same result.
Claire cant switch curses Omega cant keep spores as easily Doom rotation is difficult Stealthy has to wait till sp2 before being able to deal damage and even then will lose too much health Champs with tight rotation are screwed. Nick cant get his bleeds until he throws of 2-3 specials
And at the base doing only 3 hit combo means less damage for each block mad you lose lot of health to blockdamage
There are plenty of parry heavy champs in this game and plenty of champs that do perfectly well with 3 hit combos. That doesn't mean I'm going to be calling them evade counters. Stunnable evade champs can be handled by every single champion in this game just fine so it's not exactly valuable. Stun immune evade champs are the ones that need to be countered.
There are also a ton of champs who loose out on a lot against stunnable evade counters. Colossus isn't one of them so it's a form of utility as in it allows him to go against them.
As for OP's question, Ghost is undoubetdly the best of those 3 champs and so, it comes down to who you think needs it the most and who you prefer it. Objectively, Warlock will benefit the most from it however, I would choose Ghost because having her at r3 is a whole new power-level and it's would be fun to see what kind of crazy things she would be able to pull off.
You’re posting this question on a forum that features many comments stating that colossus doesn’t have much utility. Think about that... then choose who you enjoy using the most. There’s no bad choice there.
I hear all this stuff about Colossus having a lot of utility and I have not once heard a valid argument. He has 3 immunities and armor ups... what am I missing? Nothing. I'm missing nothing. It's not that he has no utility but compare his to Omega, Mags, AA, Poco, Prof X, it doesn't compare.
He is immune to coldsnap, incinerate, bleed, armor break and armor shatter (except against techs), he gains armor ups which increase his attack. He gets a fury for his heavies. And his parry heavy makes evaders no problem. His ability to gain armors when a debuff he is immune to is attempted making someone like mephisto a breeze. Also when duped, parries reflect damage back on the defender. Not gonna debate who is better but to call that many things not a lot of utility and you haven’t heard a valid argument is simply disingenuous. I have a max sig 6 r3 omega and love him but colossus gameplay is simply usually easier for me due to the AI knowing to back off and be passive to interrupt spores.
Literally every champ in the game can deal with stunnable evaders in the same exact way Colossus can. .
This is flat out wrong. Most champs if restricted to only attacking during stuns lose out on their utility and damage. Colossus does not suffer this problem. You can play him the exact same way you would fight non evade champs and get the same result.
Claire cant switch curses Omega cant keep spores as easily Doom rotation is difficult Stealthy has to wait till sp2 before being able to deal damage and even then will lose too much health Champs with tight rotation are screwed. Nick cant get his bleeds until he throws of 2-3 specials
And at the base doing only 3 hit combo means less damage for each block mad you lose lot of health to blockdamage
There are plenty of parry heavy champs in this game and plenty of champs that do perfectly well with 3 hit combos. That doesn't mean I'm going to be calling them evade counters. Stunnable evade champs can be handled by every single champion in this game just fine so it's not exactly valuable. Stun immune evade champs are the ones that need to be countered.
There are also a ton of champs who loose out on a lot against stunnable evade counters. Colossus isn't one of them so it's a form of utility as in it allows him to go against them.
How is it a utility if literally every champ in the game can do it? That's like saying that being able to throw a heavy attack is a utility just because some champs have stronger ones. It makes no sense.
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Passive fury isnt utility bud.
Anyways, regardless of opinion on whether passive fury is considered a utility or not, I agree his immunities add up to have as much utility as any other. If you break down the counts for each champion and what exactly they can counter, I’ll bet you will find colossus fits in the top somewhere.
So this is a utility because it can't be nullified? No dude, it's not. A passive fury is not a utility under any conditions.
There’s a lot of utility in this game, but Colossus’ passive fury ain’t it.
@Etjama @CaptainGame whoever discussing colo, i suggest make another thread on colossus....
OP, my personal preference is g99, because my BG required an r3. I enjoy g99 a lot, and she crushes r3 apoc bosses for lunch. The added stats from r3 help her stay alive vs r3 apoc bosses (i cant dodge the specials).
Warlock would also be a great pick, he benefits a ton from the added stats.
I personally find ghosts awakened ability critical to playing her. Unduped i find her really painful to play.
In the end, talk to your alliance, examine the content you need to do, and see who you prefer playing more before making your choice. There is no wrong answer here.