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Does silver surfer take Incinerate damage against Torch?
rockykoston
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These are the nodes and I have video as well.
Does anyone know why Silver Surfer took Incinerate damage after launching SP1?
Does anyone know why Silver Surfer took Incinerate damage after launching SP1?
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So 140 -100 = 40%
Surfer reduces that by -100%.
Surfer takes 40% incinerate damage.
Each smoulder adds another 10%
Surfer reduces damage by 100%, so whatever the incoming Incinerate damage, he should reduce it. It's not like his Ability to reduce damage is affected.
In some cases it goes as u said (I forgot currently, I'll tell u when I remember) but in torch u take damage
But think of it more as a stat. Torch has 100% base damage for incinerate. And surfer has base 100% resistance to it.
Normally, torch does his 100% of X damage, and surfer resists it by 100%.
So if torch does 500 base damage by incinerate, surfer resists 500 of it.
100% x 500 - 100% of 500 = 0 damage taken
But when torch has enhanced incinerate, and he does an extra 40% incinerate damage, that means he now does 140% incinerate damage. But unfortunately surfer can still only resist 100% of the base damage, not the enhanced damage.
So we take that 500 damage figure and we get the following
140% x 500 - 100% x 500 =
= 700 - 500 = 200 damage taken
That’s how he can take damage against enhanced nodes
Numbers make more sense instead of percentages but I get it.
Just tried against another regular torch and I think it's safe to say, never use SS against Torch (any SS)
There are some occasions champions or nodes trigger abilities when immunities prevent something. Think BWCV. Resistant champs don’t care about that.
With a resistant champ you can take advantage of willpower, immune champs can’t.
Immune champs don’t care about enhanced damage, resistants do.
If resistant was better than immune in every scenario it would be Op, why bother ranking an immune champ when you have a resistant champ? This way, there’s benefits to having different types.
Does this also factor into the math?
Meaning Surfer still has the Debuffs, is 100% immune, but Torch’s incinérâtes do this where other incinerates don’t affect champs this way.
If surfer came up against the enhanced incinerate node elsewhere it would still have the same effect on damage regardless of torches specific incinerate healing reduction.
Surfer is resistant to incinerate, not immune.
They do understand that 100% of something is all of it, but they have decided to use the other method as previously explained. You can disagree with that all you want, call it psychotic, complain to your hearts content. It doesn’t change that the logic and the numbers are sound no matter how much you may think it’s not.
What *could* change, is the in game description and clarity. Based on the fact we have these threads every couple of weeks, it could be explained a little more clearly in game to avoid this issue. Although to be fair, I have explained this to you a few times, and you still seem just as angry about it so I’m not sure it would fully solve the problem.
Taking 100% reduced damage from *anything* incinerate would be OP, willpower healing with no con. Game balance is a thing people.
We wouldn’t have these discussions as often if it was presented as
+200% attack
Or
-100% damage from incinerate.
It’s also a contrast to immune champs and no-damage champs. Electro takes no damage from shock so he’s immune to shock enhancement. Mephisto for incinerate should operate the same way. Circus’s glaive immunity too. “Does not take damage” is their “multiply by zero.” -100% is just that.