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Devil of Hell's Kitchen Overhaul: Thoughts?
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His damage isn’t high. His regen rate is low. He got burned on both ends.
I personally can use him in so much content if he wasn’t restricted by the regen. If you set it back to 100% it would be completely fair. The regen you would get from the rage is not going to allow people to recover from mistakes.
Just like Diablo with his poisons - if poisons would stack he doesn’t get a large regen that makes him overpowered.
Corvus with bleeds and shocks
IBom with poisons
DDHK’s damage isn’t so high that he would finish fights so quickly. He’s a brawler type champ that is scrappy. I like his design - but the regen……
Please comment, Kabam.
@Kabam Miike it’s not like we are randomly asking for things to be added to a champ. These things were raised on release and have been highlighted numerous times. You yourself had responded saying that you would continue monitoring DDHK’s data, one year ago. We have waited patiently. Just talk to us. Tell us what you have in mind, even if you don’t have anything at all in mind. It’s better than perpetual silence.
Regeneration, increase Cruelty and Precision duration to facilitate SP2 rotation, increase bonus on Righteous Wrath (chance to proc, and possibly proc on Special Attacks too).
These are simple changes to his existing kit! And he could become a top Skill champ if done moderately. Say:
1) Base Regeneration is set to 100% but Rage Regeneration is set down to 40%, or even 25%.
2) Cruelty and Precision buffs set to 20-25 seconds. Precision procs only after the last hit of the SP1, or refreshes in every hit (similar to Ikaris).
3) Increase Righteous Wrath chance to 50% and look into the possibility of applying it to special attacks too.
Let’s talk about Daredevil’s Special 2 Attack. I am going to neglect his Special 1 Attack because it does negligible damage, and applying Righteous Wrath to it will do nothing of significance. Back to the Special 2:
As a 6-star Rank 3, if all 3 hits Crit:
First hit: 12k
Second hit: 12k
Third hit: 19k
Total damage: 43k
Now, if Righteous Wrath was applied to Specials and does 50% of Special Attack damage:
As a 6-star Rank 3, if all 3 hits Crit and RW procs on all hits:
First hit: 12k + 6k from RW
Second hit: 12k + 6k from RW
Third hit: 19k + 9.5k from RW
Total damage: 64.5k
And that’s IF Righteous Wrath procs on all hits. So assuming it procs once or twice, his SP2 damage will be in the 50-55k range. That’s about 25% increase in damage. It’s really not astronomical.
If they wanted to look at everything holistically and balance it out so that a compound effect is not created, they could reduce the Righteous Wrath damage off basic attacks to 60% too. That should keep things in check such that you don’t do too much basic damage while building up to an SP2.
At this stage, I'd be happy if just the Regen Rate was changed. Anything else would be a bonus.
An update, or a Q&A is in order.
It’s more necessary than you think, as this is what is meant to make his kit come together.
After 30-40 hits, I have about 3 seconds uptime of all the good things together: Rage, 2x Cruelty and Precision. After which things start to quickly fall off.
What needs to be understood is that he is still a complicated champion, and it’s hard to figure out how best to manage him because the good things fall off before you can keep them up.
If we need to see the parts in his kit that are meant to shine, then we need to prolong the good things. I’m advocating for Cruelty and Precision as much as the Regen, and one thing should not be given in place of the other, as they are equally important.
I might not take DDHK into a debuff heavy match up, and if I’m that matchup I can’t find rewards to reap in his kit then why shall I play him?
If you just fixed something that was collectively brought to your attention, it resonates with the community.
I’m confident we can get this done.
Plus, we aren't ranting. We are debating, presenting options and cohesive arguments, using facts where available and hopefully all understand the myriad of pressures that are facing the game and Kabam. At the same time, we have fair and reasonable expectations and a hope that our wishes will be engaged with and considered, irrespective of the eventual outcome.
So, @Kabam Miike , @Kabam Boo, would it be possible for you to look into this for us?
First things first - fix the regen
Fixing the Base Regeneration Rate could be done quickly, with minimal Dev time. Such things are important, especially when there are competing issues to deal with. The change could also be pushed out without requiring a maintenance release slot if the same as before, which again is also an important consideration.
He's supposed to be the Man Without Fear after all, rather than the Man Terrified Of Damaging Debuffs.
Honestly, I’m thinking of the possibilities for him if the regen was normal.
Any comment from anyone regarding this thread? We’ve presented the problems and the solutions. Thank you.
Bringing this to their attention, with persistence and a solution benefits everyone (especially DDHK).
I know they have other issues right now, but we just need to remind them of what we want.
Makes the crime act of his buff that much more criminal
There are areas of his kit which could benefit from attention, but trying to gain support stands a better chance if we focus on one aspect of the kit, the worst one. The most damning of those problem areas is the Base Regeneration Rate.
I would like it fully restoring if possible. A small change would make a barely perceptible difference to the numbers. A strong restoration would give him a unique place in the midfield of Skill champs as a tough and resilient option for content other than those limited times which require a Miss Counter or combo control.
I just used Diablo and his health remained at 100%
Then I used DDHK and his health went down to 70%
Both were never touched by the opponent
While the Regeneration is something new that they tried, and was poorly executed, and limits him from being useable in so many areas in the contest, in my opinion it’s still not part of the ‘core’ of his kit.
You can liken his core kit to an engine. Kabam have replaced the engine, but the main part of the kit (let’s call it a catalytic converter) is not efficient. It makes the entire engine inefficient.
In my opinion, while the regeneration hampers him greatly in the contest, once it’s fixed, the core issue in his kit is still not fixed. And that’s the following:
Not enough uptime on the things that he does do well. His Cruelty and Precision duration need to be paused on striking the opponent or increased for him to hit his potential.
This is crucial to his kit, as is the regeneration. Both are equally important, and one can not be given in place of the other.