Buff paradox is broken

GunterD_1GunterD_1 Member Posts: 18 ★
in Bugs and Known Issues
In 7.3.4 (Story, Cruel to be Kind), the Paradox - Buffs lane does not work as described. I receive 1 paradox when I dex an attack and get a precision buff, but I also gain a second paradox when I hit and consume the precision buff.

Since you can't get rid of paradox without hitting your opponent, this means that for this whole lane, you get 2 paradox any time you dex. Because you can only get rid of 1 paradox per combo, and you also get a buff any time you parry, this makes it almost impossible to control.

https://youtu.be/dlDvuqWIxZg

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  • MaratoxMaratox Member Posts: 1,613 ★★★★★
    That’s because dex actually grants you two precision buffs. You get one indefinite precision when you dodge an attack, then that indefinite precision is removed when you land a hit and replaced with a precision of x duration based on how many point you have in dex.
  • GunterD_1GunterD_1 Member Posts: 18 ★
    Wow that makes sense, but it seems like poor design on the node then. At least the interaction seems to me like this behavior wouldn't be expected or intended.
  • MaratoxMaratox Member Posts: 1,613 ★★★★★
    GunterD_1 said:

    Wow that makes sense, but it seems like poor design on the node then. At least the interaction seems to me like this behavior wouldn't be expected or intended.

    Dex working the way it does can be very annoying for emp mod, the node where you get power drained when you trigger buffs, and other situations. Idk if this was intended by the team but it does work the way it’s described.
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  • ShiroiharaShiroihara Member Posts: 1,092 ★★★★
    There are at least 3 posts about this node in the forums with the same replies saying that it works as intended. Did you get that info from a dev?
    The description says “… grants a X critical Rating buff that lingers for X seconds after your next hit”.
    There’s no mention of two buffs.
    Kabam has made changes to champ abilities in the past so there would be no ambiguity so I’d very much like this to be corrected one way or the other.
    As the OP says and I said on a separate post, this makes the node combination extremely unfair.
  • te_dua_shumte_dua_shum Member Posts: 1,001 ★★★★
    Shiroihara said:

    There are at least 3 posts about this node in the forums with the same replies saying that it works as intended. Did you get that info from a dev?
    The description says “… grants a X critical Rating buff that lingers for X seconds after your next hit”.
    There’s no mention of two buffs.
    Kabam has made changes to champ abilities in the past so there would be no ambiguity so I’d very much like this to be corrected one way or the other.
    As the OP says and I said on a separate post, this makes the node combination extremely unfair.

    Yes, there is. The description says that the precision buff will linger for X second after your first hit, so the buff has to be a permanent one to be able to stay until you hit the opponent, and then it has to be converted into an expiring one when you hit your opponent and the precision starts to expire. I know that it's a little complex to understand, but I can assure you that this is intended ^_^

    Also, my english isn't the best, so if someone with better knowledge of the language could give a better explanation I would really appreciate ^_^
  • ShiroiharaShiroihara Member Posts: 1,092 ★★★★
    te_dua_shum said:

    Shiroihara said:

    There are at least 3 posts about this node in the forums with the same replies saying that it works as intended. Did you get that info from a dev?
    The description says “… grants a X critical Rating buff that lingers for X seconds after your next hit”.
    There’s no mention of two buffs.
    Kabam has made changes to champ abilities in the past so there would be no ambiguity so I’d very much like this to be corrected one way or the other.
    As the OP says and I said on a separate post, this makes the node combination extremely unfair.

    Yes, there is. The description says that the precision buff will linger for X second after your first hit, so the buff has to be a permanent one to be able to stay until you hit the opponent, and then it has to be converted into an expiring one when you hit your opponent and the precision starts to expire. I know that it's a little complex to understand, but I can assure you that this is intended ^_^

    Also, my english isn't the best, so if someone with better knowledge of the language could give a better explanation I would really appreciate ^_^
    Again, you’re inferring all that, saying that it’s intended with no actual proof. The description is clear: “it grants a”, meaning one, “that”, meaning that buff, “lingers”, meaning stays.
    Just because something has been one way for a while it does not mean that it’s correct.
  • te_dua_shumte_dua_shum Member Posts: 1,001 ★★★★
    @Shiroihara what actual proof do you want? You already have the description telling you how it works ^^"
  • ShiroiharaShiroihara Member Posts: 1,092 ★★★★
    edited January 2022
    te_dua_shum said:

    @Shiroihara what actual proof do you want? You already have the description telling you how it works ^^"

    The description doesn’t proof what you’re saying. Unless it says “two buffs” in your language I don’t know how you can justify it.
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    Shiroihara said:

    te_dua_shum said:

    @Shiroihara what actual proof do you want? You already have the description telling you how it works ^^"

    The description doesn’t proof what you’re saying. Unless it says “two buffs” in your language I don’t know how you can justify it.
    Proof could be found in older threads. Before it used to be such that any time you dex it was counted as a new buff. This was changed to the way it is now.

    It's proff Hoff but that's the only link i could find

    https://youtu.be/jSa4HGtsElE
  • ShiroiharaShiroihara Member Posts: 1,092 ★★★★
    OK, we seem to be going around in circles. I’m aware of how dexterity behaved before.
    That doesn’t change the fact that the current mechanics and description of the mastery don’t match.
    Hopefully someone from Kabam will give an official answer.
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    Shiroihara said:

    OK, we seem to be going around in circles. I’m aware of how dexterity behaved before.
    That doesn’t change the fact that the current mechanics and description of the mastery don’t match.
    Hopefully someone from Kabam will give an official answer.

    If your point is that the description might be vague, you have a point.

    But if you're trying to cotnest that the mastery might not be working properly, you're dead wrong
  • te_dua_shumte_dua_shum Member Posts: 1,001 ★★★★
    Shiroihara said:

    te_dua_shum said:

    @Shiroihara what actual proof do you want? You already have the description telling you how it works ^^"

    The description doesn’t proof what you’re saying. Unless it says “two buffs” in your language I don’t know how you can justify it.
    the description says that you gain a permanent buff that will expire after performing an action, and the only way to do this is to first create a permanent buff and then replace it with an expiring one. Here are your two buffs in the description. The description might not be perfect, but it does actually match the in-game effect ^_^
  • ShiroiharaShiroihara Member Posts: 1,092 ★★★★
    te_dua_shum said:

    Shiroihara said:

    te_dua_shum said:

    @Shiroihara what actual proof do you want? You already have the description telling you how it works ^^"

    The description doesn’t proof what you’re saying. Unless it says “two buffs” in your language I don’t know how you can justify it.
    the description says that you gain a permanent buff that will expire after performing an action, and the only way to do this is to first create a permanent buff and then replace it with an expiring one. Here are your two buffs in the description. The description might not be perfect, but it does actually match the in-game effect ^_^
    You’re basically justifying a development error. They can very well do that replacing, if it was the only way to do it, without counting the second buff for whatever abilities or nodes might trigger.
    Also, descriptions are our contracts to masteries and champions and they need to be completely unambiguous.
  • te_dua_shumte_dua_shum Member Posts: 1,001 ★★★★
    @Shiroihara It's not a development error but a development choice at this point. You can always wait for an official reply, but be aware that it might never come, mods rarely comment on these threads (and I don't know why).

    And I fully agree with you when you say that descriptions needs to be unambiguous ^_^
  • ShiroiharaShiroihara Member Posts: 1,092 ★★★★
    Just as a final note, you need 3 charges to get opponents out of the unblockable phase.
    The moment you get up to 7, you’re guaranteed to take damage if you dex. You can’t go down from 8, which I don’t think was the intended behaviour for paradox nodes.
    All that while managing special delivery. Given that that’s the units path, arguably the second easier in Act 7 maps, it must surely not have the difficulty it was meant to have.
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