**Mastery Loadouts**
Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.
Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.
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Gatekeeping ✅
Laughable tone of superiority because you read some comic books ✅
I’ll keep saying I love Marvel, because I do.
You didn't say you disliked people who only watched the MCU, you said and I quote "I don't think anyone can claim to love Marvel while only ever having taken in that IP through the MCU." that's Gatekeeping not a simple opinion so I'm not "gatekeeping your opinion".
Gatekeeping is the most Toxic Behavior a Fan can commit, judging how people consume the media as if you're entitled to some higher standard just because you've consumed said media in more ways is a Poor Show of Character, Entitled, Toxic, and Sad.
As for the "debate", there's MCU fans, and Marvel comic fans, and there s people who like both. The readers should be happy that the movies are successful, since they potentially bring them in the original medium, (where the stories are far better of course).
I hope we get them all
I'm also hesitant about quicksilver because Kabam makes every science champ so dependent on their signature. It's a lose lose for me.
So i voted quick silver.
Cosmic has recently gotten Herc, Knull, CGR, and even to an extent Ikaris and Sersi.
Quake doesn’t need sig, neither do Anti-Venom or Overseer to be useable. Mr. Negative also works wonderfully without his sig.
Marvel has tried many times to create a larger umbrella of fans of its IP. The Ultimates line tried to basically start from an almost clean slate with no connection to the rest of the Marvel IP. The New Universe tried to do that before the Ultimates. The MCU, and for that matter the licensed property movies before it, was not just attempts to make money (or in the case of the licensing deals, make enough money to prevent bankruptcy) but also to expand the IP and the fandom for that IP. The MCU fans are no more second class citizens to Marvel than the fans of the Ultimates line were, or the players of Marvel Contest of Champions are.
Even though Marvel doesn’t care, I get the parochialism that different fans have. I’ve lived in my local comics shop long enough to know there’s always going to be the Marvel vs DC thing, the people who bought Wolverine 1-4 before he was popular vs everyone else, and the pre-MCU comic geeks vs the MCU fans. Personally, I’m all for it, up to a point. If you aren’t arguing about *something* about comic books, I feel you’re just missing the point. But I think we need to remember that “them” are the worthy opposition, not the unworthy adversaries. The MCU audience are the whales of the Marvel universe; they’ve ensured the survival of the IP for the next fifty years.
Yeah, they don’t know everything that those of us who’ve been reading the material for decades do, but in many ways holding that against them is increasingly like holding it against a thirty year comic book reader that they don’t know who Thunderbird is. They love what they love because of what they’ve seen, and none of us has seen more than a fraction of everything that is Marvel.
Marvel wants a big tent. We old grizzled curmudgeons should not be an impediment to that. If we love Marvel and we want to make sure it never again has to survive through bake sales and prayer, we need to accept the new guys and their quaint cinematic notions as equals. I mean, they’re wrong, the lot of them, but still, equals.
MCU baron isn't a patch on the original, damn BRB isn't even in a movie yet so whys so many MCU fans even contemplating voting for him? It's bizarre and yeah in a sense comic fans do have a far more depth of knowledge on marvel than the MCU crew, I've been reading them since i was 6, 32 years ago, how many only know marvel through this game alone?
The fact of the matter is that comic book knowledge and comic readers have nothing to do with this. It's a vote for who the playerbase wants. If the majority choose Quicksilver, then it's the majority of the playerbase and Kabam who benefit by introducing them. The same thing applies if BRB is chosen by the majority or any of the candidates for that matter.
And even though most people here probably aren't comic book readers or that into comics, it's not like people are illiterate in terms of marvel comics lore. Knull was one of the more hyped up champions last year and he's not been anywhere near the big screen yet.
All this mental safeguarding and sense of superiority of comic book readers is just stupid and annoying. If you truly want a champion introduced, why don't you try and actually campaign for them. Introduce people to their comics, introduce them to their lore, actually get them into comics and show them what a wonderful world it is instead of acting like comic readers have some sort of superiority and bringing down other peoples reasons for voting a champion.
Focussing on this part, yes, absolutely agreed. If someone thinks Agatha is kinda neat because of Wandavision, but is also open to other ideas, what do these elitist comic book fans think is more likely to sway their opinion? Explaining Zemo's comic book backstory, why he's a cool character, his strengths, interesting story lines etc etc, or calling Agatha trash, saying that their opinion isn't valid, and they aren't a real fan because they didn't read comic books.
Stan Lee knew that Marvel was about what it meant to the fans, whether comics or movies or tv shows. He never held any superiority over a certain type of fan, maybe some could take notice.
Your mention of Knull is just backing up the fact that a helluva lot of the roster in this game hasn't seen the big screen or even the small screen for that matter, its also how mistakes made with these champions designs like powers and immunities that are picked up by the comic reading players, the campaign for sentry to be buffed is mostly by the readers who know who sentry is and what he should offer to the game.
Also this 'safeguarding' nonsense, give it up, it's a fact that readers have a far superior knowledge of these characters, if you don't read then how would you even know they existed in the first place? So superiority in knowledge and understanding is obvious!
If it was an exam right now, who's going to pass it? The ones who've 'studied' or the ones who wing it?
That's where the superiority of lifelong fans comes in, the same applies to everything, TV, movies, music.
Go tell a lifelong Pink Floyd fan they ain't superior in knowledge because you know the words to the wall.
Sentry buff confirmed if you vote beta
Anti venom, overseer , and mister negative all benefit significantly from their signature ability, and I think most would agree.
Obviously a bit late for that now since most votes have likely been cast, but a more effective way to get votes is to boost your champion and not necessarily disparage other champions.
None of these things was "right" until someone just made it up, even though it directly contradicts "the comics." The only reason they are "right" is because Marvel says so. Everything in this game is because Marvel says so. So when life-long comic book experts think something will happen in this game because of their prior knowledge of the comics, like Sentry should slap, and the only thing preventing that is Kabam could make a "mistake" they are failing to acknowledge that Sentry is how he is in this game because of a Marvel editorial approval, no different than if they made a Sentry exactly as strong as he is in this game in Earth-XYZKalamazoo-39.
Knowledge is always good, so I say, but the notion that the comic books fans are "closer to the truth" like the comic books are the Marvel Bible is false, and if their knowledge convinces them of this idea, they can be worse than someone who is a blank slate and knows nothing at all. Comic book fans might be knowledgeable about comic book storylines, but they aren't always knowledgeable about IP management, editorial mandates, licensing implementation, game design philosophy, and game operations management.
The thing I find most fascinating and amusing, to a point, about anyone who mentions Sentry in the context of comic book fidelity is that they appear to be overlooking the fact that Sentry is the ultimate, no-holds-barred, unashamedly ridiculous continuity shattering retcon in all of Marvel history (and self-awaredly so, at least originally). He's literally an example of someone deciding to ignore all of the Marvel continuity and backstory and say "yeah, but so what." The idea that he's an example of Kabam just making something up and ignoring the comics source material is a literal laugh out loud idea.
Why would anyone vote for someone they don't know? That's the whole point of the voting buddy. Vote in your favorite character. People are gonna vote for someone they know. Sigh...