Introducing the next Campaign Progression Level: Paragon!

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  • JadedJaded Member Posts: 5,477 ★★★★★

    But that's the whole point. You don't have to leave or change anything because there will be other ways to get R4 mats. Some of us just won't be Paragon on day 1.
    And that’s okay not to be on day 1, it makes no sense to have a requirement that they don’t include the materials for just playing the game. It’s a bad sign imo, not “end of the game” sign. It’s just a poor way to deal with people and creating content. Honestly, act 7 should have had enough materials for a r4 plus the gem. Then we wouldn’t be having this conversation, but kabam imo shorted the players on materials for this content. That is where my gripe really lays, if they want to require something it should be in the game not for units, not for level of war/aq tier & not for how much someone spends. If we had 2 r4s from completing act 7 and another from carina challenges, all these complaints become moot.
  • Mik81Mik81 Member Posts: 114 ★★
    DNA3000 said:

    He's not wrong. Thronebreaker had a huge backlash. And saying this time there's a huge difference is not unique, because that was exactly what people said about Thronebreaker as well. And I'll say the same thing now I said back then: people said the same thing about Cavalier: this time it is different, this time it has requirements that never existed before, this time it is paywalled. Literally everything they said about Thronebreaker, they said about Cavalier. Only somewhat louder.

    The same thing is going to happen with Paragon. And the same thing will happen with Paragon after it launches: about six months later people will be telling complainers to get over it, and spend more time getting the stuff you need to get the title than complain about not having the title.
    I'd be curious to understand how that works for them on the sales perspective. Is this motivating players to spend? I was looking to spend cash on July 4th and some other offers, but the fact that I'm not getting the maximum return for my money, really pushes me away. It is like an instant devaluation of my currency, it also instead of keeping it up with the "value" at TB, that value needs to be reduced so the the top offer is more appealing.

    In my "old business mentality" you want to make your products as much available as you can to your target audience, but I always fell that something like this isn't really targeting well the target audience, since the separation between TB and the new title, isn't really that big, so you can divide clearly that audience
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  • KDoggg2017KDoggg2017 Member Posts: 1,264 ★★★★
    edited April 2022
    Jorn said:

    Congratz on making this game even more Pay 2 win. This is Just BS and a shout out 2 alle the players that play this game because they like it. Playing all the arena Just 2 pass all those game modes. But no, Lets us reward the 'lagacy' players that spend 1000s and give Them even more benefits.🤣🤣 #all about the money.

    For exemple. People like Brian grant deserves this. But all you do is make IT even more Pay 2 keep up.

    #nosense

    30K Units is a totally ftp Youtuber who has 3 R4s. It's possible.

    Also, to be fully transparent...I don't have any R4s yet. But I'm fine with working my way to it. Just as I'm fine with other players being upset about not meeting the requirements on Day 1. To each his own. 🤷‍♂️ 🤷‍♂️
  • CycobillyCycobilly Member Posts: 28
    Gmonkey said:

    You can grind units Did you 100% complete act 6 before the nerf? If you did you would understand why. That content sucked, it was not fun it required super niche counters and was hated. So it is not content based but more roster based which makes sense.

    Gmonkey said:

    You can grind units Did you 100% complete act 6 before the nerf? If you did you would understand why. That content sucked, it was not fun it required super niche counters and was hated. So it is not content based but more roster based which makes sense.

    Right! That was actually challenging content. Original champion fight with available champs was tough. No doom, sym supreme etc. as well as just being a lot harder. Dexing 5 times, more nodes and higher health pool.
  • bm3eppsbm3epps Member Posts: 1,170 ★★★
    3 6* R4😭😭😭😭
  • JChanceH9JChanceH9 Member Posts: 852 ★★★

    Because we can no longer tie them to Story Content without significantly raising the difficulty again, and that's not what players want. They are not just a random reward, but a differentiator for where Players are in-game, what content would be a challenge to them, and what rewards they need to move forward.

    Roster strength is a better indicator than just having completed Act 7 now.
    Early advanced rosters aren’t an indication of a players progression, they’re an indication of advanced spending, specifically during the gifting event, and I’m sure spring cleaning coming up.
  • MoosetiptronicMoosetiptronic Member Posts: 2,166 ★★★★
    Going to agree with @Demonzfyre although @BitterSteel has argued it the best.

    This is cutting edge progression title, available to only those at the very, very top. For everyone else, you'll need to wait until they turn the taps on, on r4 materials.

    What I don't understand, is why is this an issue that's it's not immediately available to free to play players?

    It's an odd expectation.
  • Jaymix79Jaymix79 Member Posts: 265 ★★★
    I still haven’t pulled 10K 6* shards from daily TB crystal. No rush after al this time.
  • BendableThumbBendableThumb Member Posts: 14
    I really hate the champ rank requirements for this. Very lame Kabam.
  • CycobillyCycobilly Member Posts: 28
    Instead of looking at it as being punished for not completing everything and being in high tier ally, look at it as reward to those who have. Kabam doesn’t want to lose those players to boredom or stagnancy.

    Even the hales that keep the game going. I used to despise them but now I appreciate them. They keep the lights on for the rest of us. And as someone said earlier every progression title was obtainable via unit man. And I’m fine with that. It gives you something to work towards.
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Member Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★
    DNA3000 said:

    Was it fun the last time around? Or the time before that?

    Actually, maybe a little.
    Absolutely
  • BuggyDClownBuggyDClown Member Posts: 2,500 ★★★★★

    But that's exactly what this title is intended for right out of the gate. It's meant for those who don't have much if anything other than high tier AQ and AW. it's not meant for someone that isn't at that point yet.
    Then introduced new WAR TITLE 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ Taking alliances as factors heavily into deciding the SOLO CONTENT TITLE don't make any sense. This is progression title. It's meant everybody but if the basics are gated behind spending and justification is made on grounds that Players must be in high tier Aq and Aw 😕😕😕😕 if I am not wrong there's difference how player will play 7.4.6 and how one will play AW t3 . I thought the fundamentals were kind of different 🤔🤔 So i have completed Gauntlet,SOP and explored 7.4 but don't have enough material to r3 4 6 star champs cuz I didn't WHALED GIFTING EVENT, I DIDN'T PURCHASED THAT SO SUDDENLY IMPORTANT 7.4 10K UNIT DEAL( "DIDN'T PURCHASED").
    So for the solo content I am at 100% but what I lack is Spending and be in 0.1% of player base engaged in ALLIANCE MODES for the PROGRESSION title of solo mode 😶😶😶😶😶 Interesting
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 20,367 Guardian
    JChanceH9 said:

    Early advanced rosters aren’t an indication of a players progression, they’re an indication of advanced spending, specifically during the gifting event, and I’m sure spring cleaning coming up.
    Completing Act 7 isn't an indication of a player's progression either by that standard. Because everything in this game is acquirable through spending, nothing is an indication of progress.

    Except that's not how this game works. We judge progress by what you do, and building roster is a part of what you do. You accept that spending can replicate in-game achievement, or you don't play progressional games as a service supported by microtransactions, because that's fundamentally how virtually all of them work.
  • CycobillyCycobilly Member Posts: 28
    DNA3000 said:

    I'm in tier 12. Why do you get more alliance war rewards than me? You aren't doing more. Maybe harder, but not more.
    Why does someone with more experience earn more than someone with none? The rewards for war have always been based on skill level. And yes I guarantee t1 war players do way more. to begin with the war planners in our ally spend hours each war planning out our attack plans. Look up some youtubers that do or have down war planning.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,756 ★★★★★
    Graves_3 said:

    Does that mean you won’t get the title? You know because you still haven’t explored act 6.
    No, that's not what that means at all because that's not what is part of the title requirements. They are aiming to give this title to those that have done everything 100% and are in high AQ and AW FIRST. No different than any of the other titles that were released. UC was whoever could beat the collector first and everyone back then called that title a money grab.

    I'll be Paragon without having explored Act 6 and I am okay with that but I know I won't be Paragon the day it's released.
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