AQ Map 5 sucks now too?!?

So many of us stepped down from the very poorly timed ramped up Map 6 in AQ. I say poorly timed bc for God knows what reason, you guys clearly ramped up map 6 while ending compensation (prematurely would be an understatement)

But… now Map 5 feels ridiculous as Map 5s go as well?
Anything @Kabam Miike ?
You got things like borderline Immortal Toad in Section 1?!?
In section 1… Seriously?
You got guys with serious rosters and ranked up champs getting wrecked by a 5 hit combo from …a symbiod? Really?

This is what I believe Kabam has done…
I legitimately think that they ramped up map 6 to gut us of our revives and potions from Compensations so we would have to spend. Then a mass exodus of players dropping down to map 5, so then they made Map 5 more difficult to continue to drain resources and force spending there as well.

Here’s the problem Kabam… You don’t want ppl to leave the game or community but you guys and your bugs, dropped inputs, raised difficulties in AQ (rn especially while the game is still CLEARLY *Not working “as intended”), bugs like *hitting into a block and getting randomly parry stunned and then getting wrecked! Not from a PARRY… From HITTING INTO A BLOCK… and the AI has never been so passive! Annnnnnd you prematurely ended Compensation to top it off (simultaneously) …?

There’s no balance and you guys have tipped it yourselves.

You can’t have a broken game, raise difficulty and remove the life raft while ppl are drowning and expect your community not to become bitter. You’re creating burn out and bitterness to a degree that (as alliance leaders) we are struggling to counteract.

Ppl are leaving faster than we can replace them in our alliances. YouTubers like BG and Vega have left their alliance… so how, how are We in *lower tier alliances expected to keep our ppl motivated? How are we expected to keep our ppl on board? AQ has always felt like a chore, but now it’s starting to feel like a lower level Cav EQ. That’s silly, there’s a reason why so many of us have stopped playing Cav EQs lately including Rich The Man…

You guys can not be this out of touch, this tone deaf. You’re screwing yourselves rn.

At this point, May God help you if this “Big Compensation” is in any way Underwhelming… after the year plus of buggy gameplay and then ending compensation early… I pray you guys understand the weight of where the resentment and bitterness is atm with the community.

In my alliance we’ve got senior members of our alliance who’ve been playing this game for 7 years and been with us for many of those years just walking away. So often in fact, that for a month at least; we’ve struggled to keep 30 members week to week. It’s been a struggle to keep 28 actually. We can’t replace them as fast as they’re leaving. It’s not our alliance, they’re leaving the game, entirely.

Say something…

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Strangecraft069

People are leaving? Yes
Recruiting isn't easy? Yes
Map 5 is that tough? No
(Personal opinion)

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Joker1976

Map 5’s aren’t difficult,.:but imo that’s not the problem,..the problem is this.

AQ..problem- you will honestly have about as much fun staring at the wall and drooling then doing this game mode 5 days consecutively !!

AW..problem- way to cutthroat of a game mode for most people to really enjoy,..and it takes ages to get to the higher tiers. Makes people feel that they have to have their “A” game with them for every war,..and even some really good players aren’t into that game style,..or had enough of it,..and then leave the alliance they’re in.

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SHIELD4AGENT

say something Kabam...

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Dragoon81

When did Map 5 or 6 get ramped up? My Alliance just went from Map 5 to Map 6 with the changes we are clearing Map 6 with little more effort than we previously were on Map 5 and previously we couldn’t complete Map 6.

G00SE_

Aq itself is garbage, like 90% of this game

Darkknight_94

Totally agree on this guys! My own alliance & my own experience is really annoying & almost rage quit in map6! Inputs missing... inputs not registering at proper time & ai ..phew, so much passive & instead of dash in, they dash back & block whenever we slightly move our champ a litle forward towards them..

Carnage313

I got people that don’t join now off and on. It’s just horrible. I’m not going to kick them though because I totally understand. These are people in my alliance who we all have built friendships and have been loyal for years. What is the problem is the content. Kabaam in just incapable of grasping what it is that makes players have a good experience. With the ridiculous nodes to the more advanced AI. And no Mike it’s definitely not a possible result of the new input system. The AI was acting way more advanced way before the new input system came into play so don’t try that on us. Anyone with eyes and actually plays the game can see what’s happening. Make the game worth our time.

Chief_prime

Yes, this updated map 5 sucks. Updated map 6 is also trash.

AQ used to be a chore. With a couple annoying defenders from time to time, that was all.

Now it's breaking up alliances and making people quit the game weekly.

The issues should've been addressed and fixed as soon as hundreds of constructive feedback hit the forums. Kbm may think they have a clever master plan that we, the players, don't understand. In reality, we are the ones down in the trenches, experiencing the mcoc life. We are telling them what works for us and what doesn't and they don't listen.

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/302395/aq-map-6-changes-thoughts/p14

Map 6 and 5 players for 5 weeks straight be like:

We're talking to a wall. It's their loss. A lot of ppl still spend in this game. And there's a lot who no longer do and never will again.

Kabam Miike

Hey all,

Thank you for taking the time to share your frustrations!

The changes made to Map 5 were implemented at the same time as the changes to Map 6, so let me reassure you that we did not make changes to punish players for moving to Map 5.

We're eager to take more information to our dev team, so let's focus on finding a solution here. In your opinion, what changes would help make Map 5 more approachable or enjoyable?

LordSmasher

Hey all,

Thank you for taking the time to share your frustrations!

The changes made to Map 5 were implemented at the same time as the changes to Map 6, so let me reassure you that we did not make changes to punish players for moving to Map 5.

We're eager to take more information to our dev team, so let's focus on finding a solution here. In your opinion, what changes would help make Map 5 more approachable or enjoyable?

Drop the difficulty by removing the +attack/health orange nodes.
Move the links to minis/boss to the beginning of paths not the end so there is less waiting.

With map 6 do the above plus drop the class penalty nodes.

Yodabolt21

Hey all,

Thank you for taking the time to share your frustrations!

The changes made to Map 5 were implemented at the same time as the changes to Map 6, so let me reassure you that we did not make changes to punish players for moving to Map 5.

We're eager to take more information to our dev team, so let's focus on finding a solution here. In your opinion, what changes would help make Map 5 more approachable or enjoyable?

Map 5 is now a “middle tier” AQ map. The number of paths is great, but the nodes are not. To be honest, the mini bosses are among the easiest fights on the map. That’s hours too be the case. I get the idea was to refresh the map by changing it up, and while that is fine, some of the newer champs animations cause lag (this isn’t news to anyone), which cause mistakes to happen. Map 5 should not be requiring item use on the first day and quite frankly any day.

I do believe your intention was to make map 5 faster to complete, which you did. But with that came a difficulty increase that wasn’t needed nor wanted. I’m pretty sure that part wasn’t intended re reading the original post. The new nodes are an adjustment, sure, but we are going in what 6 weeks now and the adjustment period is over. I’ve been doing map 5 for over a year now and it is more difficult that much I do know.

My personal recommendation: make map 5 what it is, a middle tier map that is for progressing players or for veterans that don’t want AQ to feel like a second job. Maps 1-6 should not require coordination among the group to complete. Log in, do 3-5 fights and move on. The outside lanes need to be shorter as well. It shouldn’t require double ups to get them down in a timely manner.

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Chief_prime

The reduction in lanes was a good thing - in both maps - and that was the only change needed tbh. You guys would ve been rockstars.

Speaking of map 5 specifically: Refresh a couple of the champs here and there if you will, but what we have now, in every variation is Alliance War Defense. I'm not even joking. I wish I was. All the stupidest defenders are there. It's overkill for a map 5. If only their attack and hp was substantially reduced, fine. But it isn't. There are local nodes, with a stupid tricky / hard / annoying defender on top of it now, and it's one after the other.

The whole difficulty is visibly way uptuned from what it used to be. Even the minions (doombots, etc) are hitting much harder.

There are the usual input problems and sp hogging and weird AI we got to deal with. Rewards saw zero increase so the fact you gave us basically a tricky side quest in guise of a map 5 doesnt fly.

I honestly feel like both maps were tunes to 6* R4 champs. Yes, my R4 is ok doing them. But there are only 4 ppl with one of those in my alli. Still, it doesn't mean I am enjoying map 5 more than before. Having to concentrate more than I should in a map 5 to kill Chavez, Sauron, Mangog, Modok, Longshot, Negative and so on.... It's way out of balance for the payout of map 5. Map 5 allis are not top 100 allis. What were they thinking when they filled these maps??

And I used to do both maps with 5* on my mini. I had to retire from map 6 altogether but I'm also struggling on map 5 with it and that is unbelievable for me. Now there's no more compensation I have to retire my mini completely! Im starting to wonder what map 4 looks like. After 6 years playing this game non stop, that really feels like a punch in the gut.

As a map 6 and 5 alli, AQ was the cement that kept us together. The base of it was shook and it's all falling apart now.

Little_Crocodili29

In map 5: Clear the map of the overkill "AW defensive crew" as described above. Map 5 is a map for Gwenpool, Gamora, Elektra type champions. Not what we have now. Remove the added silly nodes. Drop the linked nodes to the bottom as the previous map had. Tune the difficulty back to what the previous map was.

In map 6: remove the class restrictions entirely. Drop the difficulty back to what the previous map was.

Thank you

Carnage313

I agree so far with the posts above me. And just to add that in all honesty AQ has been outdated and a drain for a couple years now. Crystals are so outdated that I don’t even open them. The glory is a good addition as to giving us a choice to get what we need. Personally an increase on max limit would be a huge benefit. A good majority of the time I’m being forced to buy items that will sit in my inventory and run chance to expire, because I have to claim more glory. I hate being forced to waste. I mean lets be honest it’s not like the frequency of getting new champs to use rank up materials on is high. But that’s a whole other issue. Speaking from my alliances standpoint we just want to get it done and over with quick and painlessly and maybe have a little fun along the way. We don’t want anymore headaches. There’s already enough of that elsewhere in the game. Fun is the factor. Isn’t that why we all started playing in the first place. Oh and if peoples idea of fun is hard as possible then let them do map 8.

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Joker1976

Hey all,

Thank you for taking the time to share your frustrations!

The changes made to Map 5 were implemented at the same time as the changes to Map 6, so let me reassure you that we did not make changes to punish players for moving to Map 5.

We're eager to take more information to our dev team, so let's focus on finding a solution here. In your opinion, what changes would help make Map 5 more approachable or enjoyable?

Make the game fun again. AQ shouldn’t feel like a job you have to do 5 days a week. And the war revives that give you 40% health as well I think didn’t help. The war boosts are further out of reach now because we don’t get near enough loyalty. The whole point of war is to prevent deaths,..not wait till your whole roster is ko’d and then regen with 40% health.

Joker1976

A lot of the reason alliances are having trouble recruiting or have people leaving is because there’s players that don’t need to do it anymore…I don’t. So what’s the incentive to stay in a alliance that’s running these game modes when AQ is very boring and demanding. And AW is way too cutthroat and this makes it somewhat unenjoyable,..especially when you have the option to simply not do it.

Joker1976

The multiplier point scoring system for AW is unrealistic. Running 2 bg war doesn’t get you moving up in rank near fast enough,..so 3 bg war is where it’s at. Then you need 30 members always contributing,..no room for play there cause if even one member misses AW defender placement and the other ally has its 30 members in,.,,makes it very difficult to get the win.

Joker1976

I think the main point I’m trying to get across is Alliance modes should be fun…period. Leave the grinding frustration stuff to Eop or solo content etc. alliance content should be friendly,.,working together as a team and fun,…not “ don’t you dare get a war death”,..or “common everyone get into AQ …I know it’s boring but there’s only 4 days of it left”

Chief_prime

They don't need to reinvent the wheel straightaway with AQ. The question is how to remediate the extreme pain the new changes brought with map 5 (and 6). And stop alliances bleeding out and dying coz of it.

For map 5: Balance it out again with mid tier defenders. Adjust the difficulty relative to a mid tier map. Lower the linked nodes like the previous map was. Remove the newly added over the top local nodes.

>>> and bring back the GLOBAL <<<
The defender that was just before the boss that we used to kill and remove the SP3 for the rest of the map and reduce a bit of attack for team mates.

That was never something that should've been touched. Please also bring that back.

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LBN1

My suggested changes for Map 5:

(1) Eliminate outer paths (1 and 6) on first two sections, and outer paths (1 and 8) on the main boss section. These are just energy wasters.

(2) Reduce the AI being able to move so much faster then the attacker, too fast with intercepts, and often too fast recovery from a hit. Likewise, fix our attacker’s ability to parry/dex, block, intercept, i.e. fix the input problems.

(3) Reduce nodes that apply stun or complete debuff immunity.

(4) Increase glory rewards and raise stash limit from 15k to at least 20k.

(5) Add a 40% AQ team revive for a nominal amount. The War 40% team revive cost 1. Until the input issues are 100% fixed, these should cost 1 glory. After the input issues are actually fixed, then maybe raise the cost to 50 glory?

(6) Slightly lower health and attack values, maybe 10% drop.

(7) When Human Torch is the mini-boss, remove bleed immunity or make it something like a 50% bleed immunity. Many skill class attackers cause bleed, and the bleed immunity makes that class largely ineffective here. Alternatively, remove the Buffet node.

(8) Without reducing cycle rewards too much, reduce the cycle from 5 days to 4.

I mainly run Map 5, and occasionally Map 4 just for an easy run. Many of the above suggestions could apply to other maps.

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Joker1976

Or replace map 5 torch mini with storm x or something. I don’t think I’ve heard anyone that like the torch mini,..super annoying,..just what one wants out of a video game …pfff.