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Sandbagging as of January 24, 2023 in Battlegrounds Season 4
Loki_Poki1280
Posts: 457 ★★★
Hello All,
As of Recently, I just started and found out about Sandbagging. I want to say, I understand where people are coming from when they state that it is unfair. I totally see it. HOWEVER, it also seems entirely fair. Hear me out.
- I am currently in Platinum II.
- In my Roster, I have:
- 2 Rank 3 6*'s with HERO RATING between 15,000 and 16,000
- 2 Rank 2 6*'s with HERO RATING between 11,000 and 12,000
- 9 Rank 5 5*s with HERO RATING between 10,000 and 14,000
- 12 Rank 1 6*'s with HERO RATING between 9,000 and 8,000
- 2 Rank 4 5*'s with HERO RATING between 8,000 and 10,000
- 3 Rank 5 4*'s with HERO RATING between 5,000 and 6,000
- I am Thronebreaker:
- Prestige: 10,828
- Base Hero Rating: 1,257,881
WITH THIS ROSTER:
COUNTERARGUMENT:
As of Recently, I just started and found out about Sandbagging. I want to say, I understand where people are coming from when they state that it is unfair. I totally see it. HOWEVER, it also seems entirely fair. Hear me out.
- I am currently in Platinum II.
- In my Roster, I have:
- 2 Rank 3 6*'s with HERO RATING between 15,000 and 16,000
- 2 Rank 2 6*'s with HERO RATING between 11,000 and 12,000
- 9 Rank 5 5*s with HERO RATING between 10,000 and 14,000
- 12 Rank 1 6*'s with HERO RATING between 9,000 and 8,000
- 2 Rank 4 5*'s with HERO RATING between 8,000 and 10,000
- 3 Rank 5 4*'s with HERO RATING between 5,000 and 6,000
- I am Thronebreaker:
- Prestige: 10,828
- Base Hero Rating: 1,257,881
WITH THIS ROSTER:
- I faced rosters with All CHAMPIONS with 12,000+ HERO RATING. MULTIPLE TIMES IN A ROW.
COUNTERARGUMENT:
- SKILL ISSUES. LACK OF BETTER ROSTER.
- I REPLACED 8 Champions with Champions with around 600 HERO RATING.
- I Then faced opponents that NEAR PERFECTLY Matched my Roster from BEFORE.
- NO. I did not win every match. Heck, I'm still in Platinum II. HOWEVER, it does seem to even out the playing field by matching matching players with similar Deck Ratings.
- NO, whatever Kabam tried to do to make sure this didn't happen did not work.
- IS IT A DOUBLE+EDGED SWORD. Replacing about 8 Champions within the Deck does severely Increase the likely-hood of the better champions being replaced with 2*'s.
- I personally Believe that Sandbagging , as I experienced it, is entirely fair. It holds significant drawbacks to the person sandbagging while also making matches more even. I believe that it is a clever way to organize decks in a manner that can bring certain advantages to the player.
- FOR EXAMPLE, say a player did not have a GALAN, DRAGONMAN, and TERRAX. at high stars. The player could include these champions in their lower rarities in their deck so when the time comes to ban those champions from their opponent's roster, they also ban them from their own roster. Reducing the number of low star champions in that deck.
- This however, is not fool-proof as the opponent may have champions that would better the player off it they were banned.
- By placing over half of the roster with low-star champions would seem to bring an advantage, but come at a big risk. (with the 8 2* champions in the deck, I had a hand drawn with only 2*'s).
- A simple way to ban this playstyle would to simply ban champions 4*'s or below.
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Comments
After that method was fixed to NOT benefit you 1 to 2 seasons ago now ?
Or was it just happenstance that it appeared to algorithmically change who you got matched with, instead if it just having randomly matched you with someone lower after you did that (but NOT enough to satisfy statistical proof that it still works).
If you are at a certain level, there must be others around your level too. And eventually you would get matched against some of those that are equivalent.
Also, as time goes by, more of those higher roster people might have moved beyond the Silver/Gold/etc brackets that you were still in, thus leaving others maybe more to your strength left in your current Bracket to match against.
Probably had NOTHING to do with you thinking you were sandbagging by adding in some 1* champs.
If they’re gonna do that “service” to players with less developed rosters, then they should stagger the starting points for the season and give higher tier players all the rewards underneath them. For example, uncollected starts in bronze, Cav in silver, TB in gold, and paragon in platinum.
The game should never disincentivize roster growth and development. This was an issue in the old war matchmaking - alliances with strong prestige were perpetually matched against each other and unable to climb, even in low tiers. Meanwhile alliances rolling out 4-stars on defense largely faced the same.
Let us say your original roster is B tier.
You complain that the original matchups is B tier vs A tier.
You then 'sandbag' so that your new roster is C tier. Now you are facing C tier vs B tier.
It could just be that you are B tier, and matchmaking in general has you facing only A or B tier rosters regardless of you 'sandbagging.' You just happened to be unlucky and faced only A rosters initially, and then B rosters later.
"Enough" in this case would probably be at least dozens per deck to see a statistically significant difference.