Unfair legends run [merged, with info]

So Kabam today rolled out an update for the eq difficulties, all the healthpools have been reduced by about 20%. I just want to know how this is fair to summoners like myself who spent thousands of units to do a legends run prior to this unannounced update, will there be some sort of compensation, will our end time be reduced by 20%. Some sort of answer would be really appreciated

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CoatHang3r

I would be surprised if they did not make some corrective measures to account for the disparity. They are likely to give beyond 100 titles but we won’t know until the future as they are not currently in the office and will need to come to a conclusion about just what to do about legends runs this month.

I think it was December 2017, when something similar happened. It’ll be noted in the hall of legends thread in news and announcements. Might’ve also happened March 2017 in relation to 12.0.

Midknight007

@Kabam Miike i have a similar question. I did my Legend run prior to this update with the lower PI and before any notice that an update would happen. I put up an impressive 3 hours and 50 minutes despite the 20% more HP. If it took me 20% less time, I would come in around 3 hours and 6 minutes.

CaptainMal

@Kabam Miike I’m in the same situation. I completed a legends run prior to the change. I’m sure my time won’t hold up now but would have before the change. Also, it’s not a small investment to try to get the title. 1200 units worth of energy and several hours. I hope something is done to keep things fair.
If it helps my in game name doesn’t match my forum name.
Thanks!

Qwerty12345

I agree they are way off... but in faireness... when uncollected difficulty first came out, people were doing it with 4 and 5 stars... because that's what there were.

My alt account isn't uncollected yet, and it has several 6 stars, and thanks to giving even, and only using the resources given for free while item dumping to my main account, was able to get resources to R2 a 6 star / half way to a r3.

Now if I actually played that account ever.. that account has the means to probably make Thronebreaker in a week if I were so inclined.

My point being... "uncollected players" have access to way better champs way too easily compared to what things "used to be", so I understand why Kabam might want to increase the difficulty a little bit. But the PI should maybe be 20% more... not nearly triple it, then shave 20% off.

That said... to do this without announcement, and without also increasing the rewards to meet the expectations by a similar percent would also be in order. While there were a few tweaks to lower level rewards... they certainly matching the 200% increase in difficulty.

CaptainMal

Totally understand adjusting the difficulty as the game progresses. There’s no need for another thread about difficulty/rewards. My only ask is that for the legends run, don’t penalize people who did it early. You can only do it once and it’s costly to do….if I don’t make it because of performance, that’s fine too. If nothing is done, none of the people who attempted early, no matter how well they did, would be able to compete with the people who did it after the reduction.

NearJr

So Kabam today rolled out an update for the eq difficulties, all the healthpools have been reduced by about 20%. I just want to know how this is fair to summoners like myself who spent thousands of units to do a legends run prior to this unannounced update, will there be some sort of compensation, will our end time be reduced by 20%. Some sort of answer would be really appreciated

I would like to know what "thousands of units" means, why are you spending this much on a heroic/master run. with R3/R4s legends runs are easier and cheaper than ever.

Like others mentioned, this will most likely be handled.

Midknight007

So Kabam today rolled out an update for the eq difficulties, all the healthpools have been reduced by about 20%. I just want to know how this is fair to summoners like myself who spent thousands of units to do a legends run prior to this unannounced update, will there be some sort of compensation, will our end time be reduced by 20%. Some sort of answer would be really appreciated
I would like to know what "thousands of units" means, why are you spending this much on a heroic/master run. with R3/R4s legends runs are easier and cheaper than ever.

Like others mentioned, this will most likely be handled.

I took the thousands of units statement as hyperbole. The most I used was a handful of pots just to regain some damage from blocking/parrying for the boss. Most of those pots were free pots from the four hour crystals.

The only real unit spend is energy. If someone is buying the deal upon first clear of a difficulty, well that is 2,000 units or so. That would be a waste to be honest. It is far cheaper to just by the energy refills (40 max if you don’t have many in your inventory). I guess you could also claim 30% boosts too.

Xguard77

Seems like it would be fair to reward 100 Legends from pre-nerf, and another 100 post.

fyi, I've never done a legends run and don't plan to - my comment is just about fundamental fairness

Qwerty12345

Totally understand adjusting the difficulty as the game progresses. There’s no need for another thread about difficulty/rewards. My only ask is that for the legends run, don’t penalize people who did it early. You can only do it once and it’s costly to do….if I don’t make it because of performance, that’s fine too. If nothing is done, none of the people who attempted early, no matter how well they did, would be able to compete with the people who did it after the reduction.

If you are referring to @RichTheMan video.. his math was pretty far off. He ignored a lot of sources of energy and discounted others to RNG vs. pro-rating some factor to "guess at it". Any guess he would have made would have been more realistic than 0.

If you are thinking of spending units for energy... with the justification to get units... than you probably should rethink your math. Either don't do the difficulty, or strategically pick the right completion revive/potion/energy/boost package, and you will probably come out ahead if you are looking to invest units into the grind.

Personally I do completion of all but the highest 2 difficulties, and only use energy refills to make sure I get enough runs in during completion event / occasionally one for hero use event. I do about 50/50 energy/marks for BG (keeping my marks total about the same / just using the ones I get for milestones and such)... and manage to do everything in the game.

Crisisgreat

So Kabam today rolled out an update for the eq difficulties, all the healthpools have been reduced by about 20%. I just want to know how this is fair to summoners like myself who spent thousands of units to do a legends run prior to this unannounced update, will there be some sort of compensation, will our end time be reduced by 20%. Some sort of answer would be really appreciated
I would like to know what "thousands of units" means, why are you spending this much on a heroic/master run. with R3/R4s legends runs are easier and cheaper than ever.

Like others mentioned, this will most likely be handled.

40 energy refills=1200 units, 3 carb cores=1650, 10 stoney cores = 1350 units. I suppose it was a bit of hyperbole considering the masteries will be of use after the run unlike the refills but technically still thousands of units lol

CaptainMal

Totally understand adjusting the difficulty as the game progresses. There’s no need for another thread about difficulty/rewards. My only ask is that for the legends run, don’t penalize people who did it early. You can only do it once and it’s costly to do….if I don’t make it because of performance, that’s fine too. If nothing is done, none of the people who attempted early, no matter how well they did, would be able to compete with the people who did it after the reduction.
If you are referring to @RichTheMan video.. his math was pretty far off. He ignored a lot of sources of energy and discounted others to RNG vs. pro-rating some factor to "guess at it". Any guess he would have made would have been more realistic than 0.

If you are thinking of spending units for……

Nope. Not talking about difficulty or reward or energy use to do questing. Just this month’s Legends Run. If you’d like to discuss the other topics there are about 10 threads going specifically to discuss those topics.

Crys23

Kabam should just cancel the Legends program. It's meaningless anyway. Rewards suck too. Getting Legends title for doing EQ is worthless

Lime2625

So Kabam today rolled out an update for the eq difficulties, all the healthpools have been reduced by about 20%. I just want to know how this is fair to summoners like myself who spent thousands of units to do a legends run prior to this unannounced update, will there be some sort of compensation, will our end time be reduced by 20%. Some sort of answer would be really appreciated
I would like to know what "thousands of units" means, why are you spending this much on a heroic/master run. with R3/R4s legends runs are easier and cheaper than ever.

Like others mentioned, this will most likely be handled.

He meant getting energy, boosts and potentially masteries. It adds up to quite a bit

Januda2003

What will happen To those who did legend run before Eq gets nerfed???

Efilwen

Was wondering same thing, as i went for my legends run pre nerf. I do like the idea floating around to have top 100 pre and post nerf.

ExHavok

I went for the legends run this month too. There are so many times my opponents left with %1-2 hp after full combo and went passive and stolen me, if their health were lower; total time would be less. I really wonder how Kabam will handle this subject.

Lime2625

I went for the legends run this month too. There are so many times my opponents left with %1-2 hp after full combo and went passive and stolen me, if their health were lower; total time would be less. I really wonder how Kabam will handle this subject.

What time did you get @ExHavok ?

5ra

I went for it as well with a time of 3:43. That's a huge time investment. Really hoping for some clarity on this @Kabam Miike

Kabam Zibiit

Hey there, the team is taking the change into account and will be having extra legends slots for those who ran this before the change. We're still working out the exact number, but will let everyone know once we have everything locked in.

Lime2625

I went for it as well with a time of 3:43. That's a huge time investment. Really hoping for some clarity on this @Kabam Miike

Who did you use in your run? I got a time of 4 26, I'm hoping I make the cut even if I'm at the very end

5ra

I went for it as well with a time of 3:43. That's a huge time investment. Really hoping for some clarity on this @Kabam Miike
Who did you use in your run? I got a time of 4 26, I'm hoping I make the cut even if I'm at the very end

Elsa, NF, YJ, Antman, BPCW.

Lime2625

Hey there, the team is taking the change into account and will be having extra legends slots for those who ran this before the change. We're still working out the exact number, but will let everyone know once we have everything locked in.

Do you have an estimate as to when you can let us know the exact number of extra legends? Or will it be revealed when the results come out in the hall of legends @Kabam Zibiit

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CaptainMal

Hey there, the team is taking the change into account and will be having extra legends slots for those who ran this before the change. We're still working out the exact number, but will let everyone know once we have everything locked in.

@Kabam Zibiit - Any update on this?

CaptainMal

Hey there, the team is taking the change into account and will be having extra legends slots for those who ran this before the change. We're still working out the exact number, but will let everyone know once we have everything locked in.

@Kabam Zibiit Any word?

MrSakuragi

We’ll find out on Friday, I s’pose

CaptainMal

Hey there, the team is taking the change into account and will be having extra legends slots for those who ran this before the change. We're still working out the exact number, but will let everyone know once we have everything locked in.

@Kabam Zibiit - Can you confirm that the accounts that attempted the legends run prior to the change will be evaluated independently than the ones who attempted the run after the change?

If the plan is to simply add more spots it would still exclude everyone who attempted it prior to the change.

SuelGames

I tried this run for the first time in years, where and when do i see the results?

CaptainMal

There’s a Legends Hall thread….normally the Friday after the month’s event ends.

MrSakuragi

I tried this run for the first time in years, where and when do i see the results?

Email in game around 1 pm est Friday, list on forum a few hours later