Harsher quitting punishments are needed

AwesometimeTv · July 2023

Anyone who has done BG’s this month with any seriousness has noticed that the amount of paragons in victory track is extremely high because they are purposefully quitting and losing so they don’t advance tiers so they can continue to farm points in lower ranks. This is extremely unfair to everyone else and I don’t think it was ever intended for BG’s to be able to be farmed in. It completely ruins the purpose of it as a PVP and ranked game mode. There needs to be harsher punishments for quitting matches so you can’t just win with your marks and then burn energy to maintain your tier and then go back to using marks for points while you face lower opponents.

HSS75 · July 2023

What can i say if it's possible/not against the rules people do it
I'm Paragon and i just want to progress to GC but just keep getting pushed back so not every Paragon is like that

HSS75 · July 2023

I feel like quitting the game everytime i play BattleGrounds

Furrymoosen · July 2023

While this is definitely happening, the more likely cause of what is being experienced is the sheer amount of Paragons that exist in the game. And it also depends on how much they are playing. I just got into the gladiators circuit yesterday because I just don’t play that much, so my big Paragon account was hanging in platinum and diamond within the last 48 hours.

Eb0ny-O-M4w · July 2023

You know, it doesnt matter what progression level they have. If they only play 3 matches every 2 days due to objectives, then they will be in the Victory Track up until last week or so.

Graves_3 · July 2023

AwesometimeTv said:
Anyone who has done BG’s this month with any seriousness has noticed that the amount of paragons in victory track is extremely high because they are purposefully quitting and losing so they don’t advance tiers so they can continue to farm points in lower ranks. This is extremely unfair to everyone else and I don’t think it was ever intended for BG’s to be able to be farmed in. It completely ruins the purpose of it as a PVP and ranked game mode. There needs to be harsher punishments for quitting matches so you can’t just win with your marks and then burn energy to maintain your tier and then go back to using marks for points while you face lower opponents.

This is actually the first season where uru 3 was filled by as many summoners at the end of first week. It’s probably that a lot more are playing BG’s this season because of the break from other stuff as well as the rewards.

DL864 · July 2023

AwesometimeTv said:
Anyone who has done BG’s this month with any seriousness has noticed that the amount of paragons in victory track is extremely high because they are purposefully quitting and losing so they don’t advance tiers so they can continue to farm points in lower ranks. This is extremely unfair to everyone else and I don’t think it was ever intended for BG’s to be able to be farmed in. It completely ruins the purpose of it as a PVP and ranked game mode. There needs to be harsher punishments for quitting matches so you can’t just win with your marks and then burn energy to maintain your tier and then go back to using marks for points while you face lower opponents.

What do you want punishments for? Nothing that's being done breaks the rules. I can understand being frustrated but your asking for people to be punished for something that's not against the rules. There's a lot more people playing bgs this season so you don't know if they're farming or so bad.

Go_To · July 2023

AwesometimeTv said:
Anyone who has done BG’s this month with any seriousness has noticed that the amount of paragons in victory track is extremely high because they are purposefully quitting and losing so they don’t advance tiers so they can continue to farm points in lower ranks. This is extremely unfair to everyone else and I don’t think it was ever intended for BG’s to be able to be farmed in. It completely ruins the purpose of it as a PVP and ranked game mode. There needs to be harsher punishments for quitting matches so you can’t just win with your marks and then burn energy to maintain your tier and then go back to using marks for points while you face lower opponents.

I’m just curious but why do you care if people quit? They might give you free wins. This is a case of it’s not great sportsmanship but it’s understandable given this month.

DL864 · July 2023

If there was more incentive to get to GC people wouldn't being hanging around in VT. So instead of asking for punishments maybe let's reward getting to GC more.

Crys23 · July 2023

You can't penalise players for not winning, also known as losing. Thinking of a system that does would be moronic.
Simplest solution is: get a bigger roster and become one of those paragon players who bully the little fishes.

TyEdge · July 2023

Kabam really beefed it by setting the milestones where they did without adding a bonus for reaching GC.

They created a reward structure where this is rational behavior and a way to conserve scarce resources.

BeastDad · July 2023

Wish people would quit my matches!

Greekhit · July 2023

Forums never fail to surprise.
This post is hilarious 😂

ChiliDog · July 2023

I would like to see them too! I've spent all day in G1. Started with no wins in g1. Won two, lost two. Won one, lost two. And did this 3 times. Then won one and lost one by 800 pts in rd3 (actually lost due to time from stingy AI and rng)....then lost two more. I've gained 1 stinking dot all day.

Caleb1705 · July 2023

I was so excited for BG during the beta and haven't really been again since the armor season. I'm really only playing now because my usual war rewards are in BG, but I'm still only working through gold because the game mode just isn't that fun for me to play for hours and hours on end.

As for paragons who are purposefully forfeiting and ranking, when they play seriously they should still be getting matched against other paragons or well developed TB rosters. When they aren't, you're getting easy points for a free win at the expense of their energy/elder marks, so what's the need to manufacture a punishment for them?

EgretM4 · July 2023

It takes twice as many losses to move down as it takes wins to move up. So their actually giving you twice as many free wins to move up as fights that you might lose against them

Mackey · July 2023

This so called farming will be non existent after this season, people are only doing it to get to the stupidly high point milestones that Kabam set out for the extra rewards. Why stress about it, if they're quitting out on you then you're getting a free win 🤷‍♂️

Ironman3000 · July 2023

This definitely needed a second thread.

BeastDad · July 2023

We need more quitters to help me advance!!

GroundedWisdom · July 2023

BeastDad said:
We need more quitters to help me advance!!

That's not actually helping anyone advance. It's playing the board like a xylophone.
Let some guys ahead, then get them on the way up after some easy Wins for Solo.

Caleb1705 · July 2023

GroundedWisdom said:

BeastDad said:
We need more quitters to help me advance!!
That's not actually helping anyone advance. It's playing the board like a xylophone.
Let some guys ahead, then get them on the way up after some easy Wins for Solo.

So with complete disregard to skill level and roster depth, these accounts are getting two tokens for free from a forfeited win/2* deck, and then only lose one when the bigger account plays seriously, but that's not helping them progress?

It's totally fine if you don't think it's ethical or that it's not the intent of the game mode, but you've spent pages worth of comments across multiple threads saying that it's detrimental to players and haven't once been able to actually explain why.

BeastDad · July 2023

GroundedWisdom said:

BeastDad said:
We need more quitters to help me advance!!
That's not actually helping anyone advance. It's playing the board like a xylophone.
Let some guys ahead, then get them on the way up after some easy Wins for Solo.

It is literally helping them advance, verbatim.

BitterSteel · July 2023

Mackey said:
This so called farming will be non existent after this season, people are only doing it to get to the stupidly high point milestones that Kabam set out for the extra rewards. Why stress about it, if they're quitting out on you then you're getting a free win 🤷‍♂️

This isn’t true, it’s happened for several seasons now and will continue until something is done about beating up on small accounts for point gain.

It’s the equivalent of alliance shelling on an individual level and it’s dishonest cheating in my opinion.

AwesometimeTv · July 2023

Caleb1705 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

BeastDad said:
We need more quitters to help me advance!!
That's not actually helping anyone advance. It's playing the board like a xylophone.
Let some guys ahead, then get them on the way up after some easy Wins for Solo.
So with complete disregard to skill level and roster depth, these accounts are getting two tokens for free from a forfeited win/2* deck, and then only lose one when the bigger account plays seriously, but that's not helping them progress?

It's totally fine if you don't think it's ethical or that it's not the intent of the game mode, but you've spent pages worth of comments across multiple threads saying that it's detrimental to players and haven't once been able to actually explain why.

You assume that this just happens 1 match and then it’s over for a couple matches. This season has been so bad that I have been on multiple losing streaks of 5-10 matches and have been barely able to progress at all. I have talked to many people who just get hard stuck because they just keep facing paragons over and over and over. Theoretically you are right but in practice there’s so much losing for l anyone besides a decently built paragon account because these big accounts are farming wins.

AwesometimeTv · July 2023

Crys23 said:
You can't penalise players for not winning, also known as losing. Thinking of a system that does would be moronic.
Simplest solution is: get a bigger roster and become one of those paragon players who bully the little fishes.

I’m not talking about punishing players for not winning. I’m saying punish players for quitting matches. Lots of games have punishments for quitting in ranked modes because it screws with your ranking without being a win or a true loss so you can manipulate it to take advantage of the system hence which is happening here. The ability to quit without a punishment to manipulate your rank completely ruins the integrity of a ranked PvP mode

TyEdge · July 2023

Mackey said:
This so called farming will be non existent after this season, people are only doing it to get to the stupidly high point milestones that Kabam set out for the extra rewards. Why stress about it, if they're quitting out on you then you're getting a free win 🤷‍♂️

They’re bringing seeded starts to BGs in the future which will shorten the path to GC and might incentivize this behavior. Of course, after this season the solo rewards may be insignificant enough that people don’t bother.

Coppin · July 2023

AwesometimeTv said:

Crys23 said:
You can't penalise players for not winning, also known as losing. Thinking of a system that does would be moronic.
Simplest solution is: get a bigger roster and become one of those paragon players who bully the little fishes.
I’m not talking about punishing players for not winning. I’m saying punish players for quitting matches. Lots of games have punishments for quitting in ranked modes because it screws with your ranking without being a win or a true loss so you can manipulate it to take advantage of the system hence which is happening here. The ability to quit without a punishment to manipulate your rank completely ruins the integrity of a ranked PvP mode

The issue is that you are not looking at the whole picture...
This season BGs dont matter as much as the milestone rewards, they are being punished by forfeiting, they get a coin taken away; it affects the BG aspect not the solo and alliance milestones...

Crys23 · July 2023

AwesometimeTv said:

Crys23 said:
You can't penalise players for not winning, also known as losing. Thinking of a system that does would be moronic.
Simplest solution is: get a bigger roster and become one of those paragon players who bully the little fishes.
I’m not talking about punishing players for not winning. I’m saying punish players for quitting matches. Lots of games have punishments for quitting in ranked modes because it screws with your ranking without being a win or a true loss so you can manipulate it to take advantage of the system hence which is happening here. The ability to quit without a punishment to manipulate your rank completely ruins the integrity of a ranked PvP mode

Then you know what the solution will be? I will find a match, set my phone down and go make myself a snack. Or just set let the phone sit next to me while I watch TV. So, technically, I'm still "playing out" the match. But my opponent will have to wait through all the timers for banning, each draft round, picking a defender and attacker and before entering the fight. And if I'm really bored, instead of letting myself get KO'ed in first 15 seconds, I will hit the pause button and make the opponent wait the full 2minutes till he gets to win the round.
So, instead of someone getting a free win in 5 seconds, it will take 10 freaking minutes. Imagine the forum threads then.

You can't come up with a punishement for hitting the Forfeit button. It's not a crime to quit, simply because you can't impose your will on me, when I should win.
Also, if there weren't any modders in GC, people wouldn't feel the need to point farm in VT as much. They just want to get best value from their elder marks.

klobberintyme · July 2023

AwesometimeTv said:

Caleb1705 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

BeastDad said:
We need more quitters to help me advance!!
That's not actually helping anyone advance. It's playing the board like a xylophone.
Let some guys ahead, then get them on the way up after some easy Wins for Solo.
So with complete disregard to skill level and roster depth, these accounts are getting two tokens for free from a forfeited win/2* deck, and then only lose one when the bigger account plays seriously, but that's not helping them progress?

It's totally fine if you don't think it's ethical or that it's not the intent of the game mode, but you've spent pages worth of comments across multiple threads saying that it's detrimental to players and haven't once been able to actually explain why.
You assume that this just happens 1 match and then it’s over for a couple matches. This season has been so bad that I have been on multiple losing streaks of 5-10 matches and have been barely able to progress at all. I have talked to many people who just get hard stuck because they just keep facing paragons over and over and over. Theoretically you are right but in practice there’s so much losing for l anyone besides a decently built paragon account because these big accounts are farming wins.

Lot of assumptions on your part. Why, with my bigger paragon acct (of 3) i lost twice to much lower level thronebreakers using energy and poor playing but i dug down deep, using that elders mark, and won against another paragon with fewer r5s and 7r2s than me. It was so draining, I'll have to take a break for 48 hrs or so. Lucky i got 800 tokens for my efforts and didn't quit once!

But yeah. Quitters.

Caleb1705 · July 2023

AwesometimeTv said:

Caleb1705 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

BeastDad said:
We need more quitters to help me advance!!
That's not actually helping anyone advance. It's playing the board like a xylophone.
Let some guys ahead, then get them on the way up after some easy Wins for Solo.
So with complete disregard to skill level and roster depth, these accounts are getting two tokens for free from a forfeited win/2* deck, and then only lose one when the bigger account plays seriously, but that's not helping them progress?

It's totally fine if you don't think it's ethical or that it's not the intent of the game mode, but you've spent pages worth of comments across multiple threads saying that it's detrimental to players and haven't once been able to actually explain why.
You assume that this just happens 1 match and then it’s over for a couple matches. This season has been so bad that I have been on multiple losing streaks of 5-10 matches and have been barely able to progress at all. I have talked to many people who just get hard stuck because they just keep facing paragons over and over and over. Theoretically you are right but in practice there’s so much losing for l anyone besides a decently built paragon account because these big accounts are farming wins.

Can I ask what your battle deck looks like and how far you've already made it in VT? BG by design isn't meant for every player to advance through every progression level and it's also not meant to be the penultimate piece of content in the game.

Harsher quitting punishments are needed

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