Anyone else think Onslaught should've been reverse controls immune?
EdisonLaw
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For a guy who’s an omega level telepath, and is wearing Magneto’s helmet, I think he should’ve been.
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He won't be affected by reversed controls caused by Emma Frost or the Delirium node, but will be affected by things like the Grandmaster, Confusion and Special Chaos Inversion.
If it helps, think of it like this: Onslaught is not immune, but Emma doesn't work on Onslaught so he doesn't have to be immune.
Reverse control effects that are unaffected by psychic shielding will affect Onslaught because he is not immune. If the effect actually happens, he will be affected by it.
Still that's a big kit decision so i don't see it happening except by a new synergy in the future, and then we can have our cake and eat it.
Personally I think that’s silly. You can’t just omit powers these characters have because it suits. Otherwise we are just playing kits with skins that have no correlation. Are we not going to give Wolverine regen because of balance ?
They should have given it to him with some limitations for their ‘balance’ preferences. Then at least it seem like everyone would know what they are smoking. This way everyone thinks they don’t know that characters powers, which they do.
Onslaught is basically immune to bleed, incinerate and shock.. has a passive no other champ is immune to, can pause his debuffs, inflict degen and so much more.. champions need to be balanced.
Moreover, there's an additional narrative imperative in the game. ISO-8 empowers all the champions in the contest. It is the same basic narrative fiction they use in the Injustice game. In Injustice, the rationale that makes combat between the Joker and Superman on roughly even terms is all combatants in the game are infused with Kryptonian nanotechnology. None of them are as strong as they are naturally, they are all essentially as strong as any Kryptonian to place them on the same even playing field as Superman or Supergirl. They have to or the game won't work, so they just make something up.
And on top of that reverse controls is not even a comic book thing. Reverse controls does not affect the champion, it affects *us*. Taunt affects the AI by inducing it to use specials more often, but it has no effect on us the player, because we cannot be influenced by taunt in that way. Taunt and reverse controls are out of world game meta effects. They have a narrative reason to exist in the game, but they don't affect the in-game entities. To say that some champions must be affected and others must not or else we have to throw out canon ignores the fact that no Marvel character is immune to reverse controls, because controls do not exist in the Marvel Universe.
And about Wolverine. Wolverine does have healing. When you hit him, he procs a heal that recovers a certain amount of health and then turns off. Is that what Wolverine has in the comics? Does Wolverine's healing in the comics slow down when he is poisoned? Can his healing be reversed to quickly kill him? Wolverine has a heal in MCOC because he is inspired by the Wolverine in the comics, but his powers are dictated and ultimately limited by the needs of the game. The Wolverine in the comics is constantly healing. He has non-stop innate healing. The Wolverine in the game heals only when hit, the heals are short duration, and if he is at low health and doesn't proc a heal he just dies. Because that's what has to happen in a game.
I like him as he is - I was just saying that based on his comic book and in-game characteristics (mental & magnet powerhouse) he ideally should be immune to reverse controls, though what @DNA3000 says is also correct. Controls only afect players - but as players we largely feel someone with mental powers should be immune to control shenanigans like Prof.X, Emma etc
Given the game team have set him at a level, just adding that controls immunity puts him above the level and so something else would have to go to bring him back to where they want him to be in the meta. I just suggested the blocking unblockable because, nodes aside you rarely see that in champ kits.
It could easily be something else likr I suggested once of his three 150% immunities.
Or they may decide the mata requires him to have 3 immunities and not controls immunity and keep as is.