Is it legal for me to play MCOC on PC with BlueStack? Or is it not safe for my account

Philippebonetti · February 14

Seriously, if anyone knows the actual anwser respond, but if you dont know and you just guess, please dont respond i dont want my main to get banned because of that.

Thank you to everyone, even if you dont respond have a great day

Maratox · February 14

Bluestacks is forbidden by the TOS and you’ll be subject to a ban if you use it.

Bendy · February 14

U get banned as its under TOS of third party

Philippebonetti · February 14

Ok tysm guys yall just saved me 4 years

ZanyDruid0702 · February 14

If you seriously value your main account DONT do that… look into the game TOS and that would be classed as 3rd party software dude

Philippebonetti · February 14

Okay i guess im not trying, in 4 years of grind im still uncolected but idc i want to keep my account lol

ReignkingTW · February 14

Philippebonetti said:
Okay i guess im not trying, in 4 years of grind im still uncolected but idc i want to keep my account lol

Well that's a different issue

.

Tell us where you are.stuck..who your best champs are...

Ercarret · February 14

Yeah. I learned the hard way that you can't use stuff like that. It doesn't matter how you use it (in my case, I used it to be able to play the game on my PC when a disability kept me from using a phone properly), just the act of using third party software itself is forbidden by the terms of service and can get you banned.

DNA3000 · February 14

Ercarret said:
Yeah. I learned the hard way that you can't use stuff like that. It doesn't matter how you use it (in my case, I used it to be able to play the game on my PC when a disability kept me from using a phone properly), just the act of using third party software itself is forbidden by the terms of service and can get you banned.

This is unfortunate, but the reason for this rule is that emulated environments are under the full control of the player, not the platform. Kabam can trust iOS and Android to do certain things and not do other things. But under an emulated environment, the player can in theory do anything and Kabam would have no way to be sure of what the player was doing. The player is not only capable of doing anything, because they have full control of the environment they can also make it *seem* like they are doing anything else. They can tamper with the game and tamper with the ability for Kabam to detect tampering with the game.

Under an emulated environment like Bluestacks, the player is an omnipotent omniscient invisible untraceable god - unless they make a mistake and get detected. Even if the player swears up and down that they didn't do anything unfair, Kabam has no way to prove that is true.

That's why this is a no-no.

kus234 · February 14

DNA3000 said:

Ercarret said:
Yeah. I learned the hard way that you can't use stuff like that. It doesn't matter how you use it (in my case, I used it to be able to play the game on my PC when a disability kept me from using a phone properly), just the act of using third party software itself is forbidden by the terms of service and can get you banned.
This is unfortunate, but the reason for this rule is that emulated environments are under the full control of the player, not the platform. Kabam can trust iOS and Android to do certain things and not do other things. But under an emulated environment, the player can in theory do anything and Kabam would have no way to be sure of what the player was doing. The player is not only capable of doing anything, because they have full control of the environment they can also make it *seem* like they are doing anything else. They can tamper with the game and tamper with the ability for Kabam to detect tampering with the game.

Under an emulated environment like Bluestacks, the player is an omnipotent omniscient invisible untraceable god - unless they make a mistake and get detected. Even if the player swears up and down that they didn't do anything unfair, Kabam has no way to prove that is true.

That's why this is a no-no.

teach me how to lol...

Luke9523 · February 14

Philippebonetti said:
Okay i guess im not trying, in 4 years of grind im still uncolected but idc i want to keep my account lol

Rather than using software that will end up in you losing your account, look for ways to improve or get advice to help you progress. What is it that's stopping your progression?

Ercarret · February 15

DNA3000 said:

Ercarret said:
Yeah. I learned the hard way that you can't use stuff like that. It doesn't matter how you use it (in my case, I used it to be able to play the game on my PC when a disability kept me from using a phone properly), just the act of using third party software itself is forbidden by the terms of service and can get you banned.
This is unfortunate, but the reason for this rule is that emulated environments are under the full control of the player, not the platform. Kabam can trust iOS and Android to do certain things and not do other things. But under an emulated environment, the player can in theory do anything and Kabam would have no way to be sure of what the player was doing. The player is not only capable of doing anything, because they have full control of the environment they can also make it *seem* like they are doing anything else. They can tamper with the game and tamper with the ability for Kabam to detect tampering with the game.

Under an emulated environment like Bluestacks, the player is an omnipotent omniscient invisible untraceable god - unless they make a mistake and get detected. Even if the player swears up and down that they didn't do anything unfair, Kabam has no way to prove that is true.

That's why this is a no-no.

Yeah, I know. Looking back, it's easy to see how powerful the emulator was. It allowed me to reconfigure the entire game so that it worked with a mouse and keyboard, which in turn worked better for my hands when they were kind of out of commission for a while. While I only used that power to come up with a makeshift disability aid, I can totally see how others could use it for all kinds of different nefarious things. As such, I've never been particularly mad at their absolute no-go stance when it comes to emulators. I totally get it. It just sucked for a while at the time, especially since I was super proud of myself for managing to set up a system that allowed me to play. I'm not a very technically-gifted person so this was genuinely one of my coolest experiences. Having to shut it down was a bummer at the time.

Luckily my hands have gotten better since so nowadays I can actually play the game on my phone without the need for any outside help.

captain_rogers · February 15

DNA3000 said:

Ercarret said:
Yeah. I learned the hard way that you can't use stuff like that. It doesn't matter how you use it (in my case, I used it to be able to play the game on my PC when a disability kept me from using a phone properly), just the act of using third party software itself is forbidden by the terms of service and can get you banned.
This is unfortunate, but the reason for this rule is that emulated environments are under the full control of the player, not the platform. Kabam can trust iOS and Android to do certain things and not do other things. But under an emulated environment, the player can in theory do anything and Kabam would have no way to be sure of what the player was doing. The player is not only capable of doing anything, because they have full control of the environment they can also make it *seem* like they are doing anything else. They can tamper with the game and tamper with the ability for Kabam to detect tampering with the game.

Under an emulated environment like Bluestacks, the player is an omnipotent omniscient invisible untraceable god - unless they make a mistake and get detected. Even if the player swears up and down that they didn't do anything unfair, Kabam has no way to prove that is true.

That's why this is a no-no.

One example of how players can exploit bluestacks is reverse controls.
Players can just change the key bindings for that one fight and play the reverse controls node as normal, Making it useless.

Kontestman · February 15

I have had my run in with the emulator business got suspended for 7 days so yeah go ahead and use an emulator😁

XFREEDOMX · February 15

I never understood why people want to play mobile games on a PC. If you want to play a PC game, then why not just play an actual PC game like COD, Battlefield, GTA and the like.
Other than any disability.

Ashacekar · February 15

Nope, i play Assasin's Creed and GTA games on PC, it's not a place to play MCoC

Philippebonetti · March 15

ReignkingTW said:

Philippebonetti said:
Okay i guess im not trying, in 4 years of grind im still uncolected but idc i want to keep my account lol
Well that's a different issue .

Tell us where you are.stuck..who your best champs are...

just go check my mcoc account : Username = PhilippeBonett (PhilippeBonett~1)

Nightheart · March 15

Sorry but use of third party software will lead you to break up with your account and thanks to the ban your account will become your ex girlfriend.

Suros_moon · March 15

DNA3000 said:

Ercarret said:
Yeah. I learned the hard way that you can't use stuff like that. It doesn't matter how you use it (in my case, I used it to be able to play the game on my PC when a disability kept me from using a phone properly), just the act of using third party software itself is forbidden by the terms of service and can get you banned.
This is unfortunate, but the reason for this rule is that emulated environments are under the full control of the player, not the platform. Kabam can trust iOS and Android to do certain things and not do other things. But under an emulated environment, the player can in theory do anything and Kabam would have no way to be sure of what the player was doing. The player is not only capable of doing anything, because they have full control of the environment they can also make it *seem* like they are doing anything else. They can tamper with the game and tamper with the ability for Kabam to detect tampering with the game.

Under an emulated environment like Bluestacks, the player is an omnipotent omniscient invisible untraceable god - unless they make a mistake and get detected. Even if the player swears up and down that they didn't do anything unfair, Kabam has no way to prove that is true.

That's why this is a no-no.

Well since the is just got necro’d anyways I may as well ask now. Im curious if you have any knowledge about the system Necropolis was using to be able to handle the case of simulated responses. Apparently the content had some method of tracking data which could circumvent the issue of faked in game data. In theory, if this is robust, would it solve this issue and make the BlueStack issue redundant?

DNA3000 · March 15

Suros_moon said:

DNA3000 said:

Ercarret said:
Yeah. I learned the hard way that you can't use stuff like that. It doesn't matter how you use it (in my case, I used it to be able to play the game on my PC when a disability kept me from using a phone properly), just the act of using third party software itself is forbidden by the terms of service and can get you banned.
This is unfortunate, but the reason for this rule is that emulated environments are under the full control of the player, not the platform. Kabam can trust iOS and Android to do certain things and not do other things. But under an emulated environment, the player can in theory do anything and Kabam would have no way to be sure of what the player was doing. The player is not only capable of doing anything, because they have full control of the environment they can also make it *seem* like they are doing anything else. They can tamper with the game and tamper with the ability for Kabam to detect tampering with the game.

Under an emulated environment like Bluestacks, the player is an omnipotent omniscient invisible untraceable god - unless they make a mistake and get detected. Even if the player swears up and down that they didn't do anything unfair, Kabam has no way to prove that is true.

That's why this is a no-no.
Well since the is just got necro’d anyways I may as well ask now. Im curious if you have any knowledge about the system Necropolis was using to be able to handle the case of simulated responses. Apparently the content had some method of tracking data which could circumvent the issue of faked in game data. In theory, if this is robust, would it solve this issue and make the BlueStack issue redundant?

I have an idea, and no I can't or rather won't share what those ideas are, and they would not make the emulator bans redundant.

There is no single foolproof method of preventing cheating. What I will say is that cheat detection is about spinning webs of detections around the game and pouncing on a player who touches one of them. A player who cheats can do all kinds of things to avoid detection, but they have to be right every time. The tighter this web is, the more likely they are to catch a cheater sooner than later. Removing limitations on the players increases the likelihood that they will evade detection, or evade detection for longer. And specifically allowing emulators would make several cheat detection options no longer reliable.

There's also the issue of cost. There are some methods of detecting cheating that have a cost associated with them, such that there's a huge difference between using it for something like Necropolis and trying to implement it across the entire game. That's several order of magnitude difference in effort, and something that has significant cost to do at all can become impractical to do across millions of fights a day.

Mackey · March 15

What is bluestacks? I've heard this a few times on this forum but what actually is it and more importantly what is wrong with it?

Genuinely curious

GinjabredMonsta · March 15

Mackey said:
What is bluestacks? I've heard this a few times on this forum but what actually is it and more importantly what is wrong with it?

Genuinely curious

I believe it’s an emulator, and it could provide easier unfair activities in the contest

Jefechuta · March 15

XFREEDOMX said:
I never understood why people want to play mobile games on a PC. If you want to play a PC game, then why not just play an actual PC game like COD, Battlefield, GTA and the like.
Other than any disability.

The screen is bigger, you wouldnt have input issues (I guess), Its more comfortable to play on a PC than on the Phone (for me at least), also, depending on the device, PC would run it faster, also, better conection if you are via Lan instead of Wi-Fi.

I play some Phone games that have also PC versions and its way better at least for me for those reasons; I always wanted a console version of the game but I understand it is not doable

Suros_moon · March 16

DNA3000 said:

Suros_moon said:

DNA3000 said:

Ercarret said:
Yeah. I learned the hard way that you can't use stuff like that. It doesn't matter how you use it (in my case, I used it to be able to play the game on my PC when a disability kept me from using a phone properly), just the act of using third party software itself is forbidden by the terms of service and can get you banned.
This is unfortunate, but the reason for this rule is that emulated environments are under the full control of the player, not the platform. Kabam can trust iOS and Android to do certain things and not do other things. But under an emulated environment, the player can in theory do anything and Kabam would have no way to be sure of what the player was doing. The player is not only capable of doing anything, because they have full control of the environment they can also make it *seem* like they are doing anything else. They can tamper with the game and tamper with the ability for Kabam to detect tampering with the game.

Under an emulated environment like Bluestacks, the player is an omnipotent omniscient invisible untraceable god - unless they make a mistake and get detected. Even if the player swears up and down that they didn't do anything unfair, Kabam has no way to prove that is true.

That's why this is a no-no.
Well since the is just got necro’d anyways I may as well ask now. Im curious if you have any knowledge about the system Necropolis was using to be able to handle the case of simulated responses. Apparently the content had some method of tracking data which could circumvent the issue of faked in game data. In theory, if this is robust, would it solve this issue and make the BlueStack issue redundant?
I have an idea, and no I can't or rather won't share what those ideas are, and they would not make the emulator bans redundant.

There is no single foolproof method of preventing cheating. What I will say is that cheat detection is about spinning webs of detections around the game and pouncing on a player who touches one of them. A player who cheats can do all kinds of things to avoid detection, but they have to be right every time. The tighter this web is, the more likely they are to catch a cheater sooner than later. Removing limitations on the players increases the likelihood that they will evade detection, or evade detection for longer. And specifically allowing emulators would make several cheat detection options no longer reliable.

There's also the issue of cost. There are some methods of detecting cheating that have a cost associated with them, such that there's a huge difference between using it for something like Necropolis and trying to implement it across the entire game. That's several order of magnitude difference in effort, and something that has significant cost to do at all can become impractical to do across millions of fights a day.

Closest Ive been to anything sniffing the realm of cheat detection was fresh out of grad school when I had a stint in cryptography and that was… cough… a number of years ago. I’ll have to read through a few papers at some point to see how the current landscape looks

Is it legal for me to play MCOC on PC with BlueStack? Or is it not safe for my account

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