**Mastery Loadouts**
Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.

Kabam take off a month.

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  • DanielRandDanielRand Posts: 406 ★★★
    edited February 14



    Again. No one said to do that. Aside from that, multi-million dollar companies always know best? Realm of Champions? Crystal Pepsi? New Coke? Quibi?

    They know better than someone giving opinions from a couch?....
    This is not Jeff Bezos having a conversation with Bill Gates, lol its an average joe who works a 9-5 telling a company how to deal with their issues.
    Also what a horrible set of examples...
    Did they stop making their original product and replace it with those new items they tried to sell? Lol...see another average joe thinking he knows better...
    OP said to stop everything.. leave it as side content... So someone said something ...
    Not looking to start a fight with semantics, but when New Coke came out, they stopped making the original until customer backlash forced them to start making Coke Classic again.
  • Sundance_2099Sundance_2099 Posts: 2,805 ★★★★★
    some people need to put the shovel down. you just keep digging yourselves deeper.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 18,657 Guardian



    Again. No one said to do that. Aside from that, multi-million dollar companies always know best? Realm of Champions? Crystal Pepsi? New Coke? Quibi?

    They know better than someone giving opinions from a couch?....
    This is not Jeff Bezos having a conversation with Bill Gates, lol its an average joe who works a 9-5 telling a company how to deal with their issues.
    Also what a horrible set of examples...
    Did they stop making their original product and replace it with those new items they tried to sell? Lol...see another average joe thinking he knows better...
    OP said to stop everything.. leave it as side content... So someone said something ...
    Not looking to start a fight with semantics, but when New Coke came out, they stopped making the original until customer backlash forced them to start making Coke Classic again.
    An interesting side note here is that New Coke was the brainchild of someone who used opinion polling to dictate Coke's strategy. Coca Cola did market research that suggested, by a very high margin, that people preferred the taste of Pepsi over Coke in blind taste tests. Pepsi itself famously used the "Pepsi challenge" in their marketing and Coca Cola, interestingly enough, actually replicated their results. New Coke was Coke's attempt to push the taste of Coca Cola closer to Pepsi, because people said they preferred that.

    The problem was not that Coke didn't listen to their customers when they made the change, it is that they *did* listen to their customers but forgot the first rule of product development: people don't always say what they want, or even know what they want until presented with the choice. New Coke failed because Coke customers didn't want the flavor improved: they wanted Coke because it tasted like Coke.

    To this day there are people who think the whole thing was a stunt, but at the time I knew someone who worked high up at Coca Cola, and at the time of the change Coca Cola was 100% certain, with absolutely no doubt, that the whole thing was just a hiccough that would blow over quickly, because they had the data that showed people preferred the taste of New Coke. I was given a personal guarantee that "classic" coke was gone for good and was never coming back.
  • jdschwjdschw Posts: 186 ★★
    DNA3000 said:



    Again. No one said to do that. Aside from that, multi-million dollar companies always know best? Realm of Champions? Crystal Pepsi? New Coke? Quibi?

    They know better than someone giving opinions from a couch?....
    This is not Jeff Bezos having a conversation with Bill Gates, lol its an average joe who works a 9-5 telling a company how to deal with their issues.
    Also what a horrible set of examples...
    Did they stop making their original product and replace it with those new items they tried to sell? Lol...see another average joe thinking he knows better...
    OP said to stop everything.. leave it as side content... So someone said something ...
    Not looking to start a fight with semantics, but when New Coke came out, they stopped making the original until customer backlash forced them to start making Coke Classic again.
    An interesting side note here is that New Coke was the brainchild of someone who used opinion polling to dictate Coke's strategy. Coca Cola did market research that suggested, by a very high margin, that people preferred the taste of Pepsi over Coke in blind taste tests. Pepsi itself famously used the "Pepsi challenge" in their marketing and Coca Cola, interestingly enough, actually replicated their results. New Coke was Coke's attempt to push the taste of Coca Cola closer to Pepsi, because people said they preferred that.

    The problem was not that Coke didn't listen to their customers when they made the change, it is that they *did* listen to their customers but forgot the first rule of product development: people don't always say what they want, or even know what they want until presented with the choice. New Coke failed because Coke customers didn't want the flavor improved: they wanted Coke because it tasted like Coke.

    To this day there are people who think the whole thing was a stunt, but at the time I knew someone who worked high up at Coca Cola, and at the time of the change Coca Cola was 100% certain, with absolutely no doubt, that the whole thing was just a hiccough that would blow over quickly, because they had the data that showed people preferred the taste of New Coke. I was given a personal guarantee that "classic" coke was gone for good and was never coming back.
    Yeah, this is a great story. Another tidbit I can add to this: my understanding is that the preference arose because the data was gathered with a "sip test", where you took one (blind) sip and write down your preference. Well, it turns out that when tasting one sip, humabs prefer sweeter things; but when they drink a whole can, that same sweetness can become cloying.

    That whole story is really a fascinating study in all the ways people can misunderstand their own preferences.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 18,657 Guardian
    jdschw said:

    DNA3000 said:



    Again. No one said to do that. Aside from that, multi-million dollar companies always know best? Realm of Champions? Crystal Pepsi? New Coke? Quibi?

    They know better than someone giving opinions from a couch?....
    This is not Jeff Bezos having a conversation with Bill Gates, lol its an average joe who works a 9-5 telling a company how to deal with their issues.
    Also what a horrible set of examples...
    Did they stop making their original product and replace it with those new items they tried to sell? Lol...see another average joe thinking he knows better...
    OP said to stop everything.. leave it as side content... So someone said something ...
    Not looking to start a fight with semantics, but when New Coke came out, they stopped making the original until customer backlash forced them to start making Coke Classic again.
    An interesting side note here is that New Coke was the brainchild of someone who used opinion polling to dictate Coke's strategy. Coca Cola did market research that suggested, by a very high margin, that people preferred the taste of Pepsi over Coke in blind taste tests. Pepsi itself famously used the "Pepsi challenge" in their marketing and Coca Cola, interestingly enough, actually replicated their results. New Coke was Coke's attempt to push the taste of Coca Cola closer to Pepsi, because people said they preferred that.

    The problem was not that Coke didn't listen to their customers when they made the change, it is that they *did* listen to their customers but forgot the first rule of product development: people don't always say what they want, or even know what they want until presented with the choice. New Coke failed because Coke customers didn't want the flavor improved: they wanted Coke because it tasted like Coke.

    To this day there are people who think the whole thing was a stunt, but at the time I knew someone who worked high up at Coca Cola, and at the time of the change Coca Cola was 100% certain, with absolutely no doubt, that the whole thing was just a hiccough that would blow over quickly, because they had the data that showed people preferred the taste of New Coke. I was given a personal guarantee that "classic" coke was gone for good and was never coming back.
    Yeah, this is a great story. Another tidbit I can add to this: my understanding is that the preference arose because the data was gathered with a "sip test", where you took one (blind) sip and write down your preference. Well, it turns out that when tasting one sip, humabs prefer sweeter things; but when they drink a whole can, that same sweetness can become cloying.

    That whole story is really a fascinating study in all the ways people can misunderstand their own preferences.
    Another interesting bit of trivia. While the Coca Cola marketing tests were done under scientifically controlled conditions, the Pepsi challenge was a bit of a scam. For those too young to have directly experienced the actual Pepsi challenge, it was always held in a booth where people were presented with two cups, one with a small amount of Coca Cola and one with Pepsi. You were asked to pick the one you liked more. If you picked the Coke, cool, they thanked you for your participation, no hard feelings. But if you picked the Pepsi, they also thanked you for your participation and then offered you an entire can of Pepsi if you wanted it. So as someone who could tell the difference from just a tiny sip 100% of the time, guess which one I always happened to like more when I was walking by the booth?

    Oh, and one last footnote on the whole Pepsi Coke thing. When I came down with Covid, I got the medium grade seriousness version where I was sick for several weeks and recovering for several months, and my taste buds went almost dead. As they started to recover, I discovered I really liked Pepsi - because I couldn't taste the sweetness anymore.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Posts: 2,664 ★★★★★
    DNA3000 said:



    Again. No one said to do that. Aside from that, multi-million dollar companies always know best? Realm of Champions? Crystal Pepsi? New Coke? Quibi?

    They know better than someone giving opinions from a couch?....
    This is not Jeff Bezos having a conversation with Bill Gates, lol its an average joe who works a 9-5 telling a company how to deal with their issues.
    Also what a horrible set of examples...
    Did they stop making their original product and replace it with those new items they tried to sell? Lol...see another average joe thinking he knows better...
    OP said to stop everything.. leave it as side content... So someone said something ...
    Not looking to start a fight with semantics, but when New Coke came out, they stopped making the original until customer backlash forced them to start making Coke Classic again.
    An interesting side note here is that New Coke was the brainchild of someone who used opinion polling to dictate Coke's strategy. Coca Cola did market research that suggested, by a very high margin, that people preferred the taste of Pepsi over Coke in blind taste tests. Pepsi itself famously used the "Pepsi challenge" in their marketing and Coca Cola, interestingly enough, actually replicated their results. New Coke was Coke's attempt to push the taste of Coca Cola closer to Pepsi, because people said they preferred that.

    The problem was not that Coke didn't listen to their customers when they made the change, it is that they *did* listen to their customers but forgot the first rule of product development: people don't always say what they want, or even know what they want until presented with the choice. New Coke failed because Coke customers didn't want the flavor improved: they wanted Coke because it tasted like Coke.

    To this day there are people who think the whole thing was a stunt, but at the time I knew someone who worked high up at Coca Cola, and at the time of the change Coca Cola was 100% certain, with absolutely no doubt, that the whole thing was just a hiccough that would blow over quickly, because they had the data that showed people preferred the taste of New Coke. I was given a personal guarantee that "classic" coke was gone for good and was never coming back.
    Exactly this.. public opinion can work . Just not all the time, even the notion of giving people what they want can be dangerous...
    As for MCoC, yeah they could stop everything for a month lets say.. tell everyone hey we are going to try to fix some issues, so there will be nothing in the game. Then yoy have to deal with the backslash if they don't hit their due date, or fix everything.. players like me will probably put the game down until new stuff comes, and the company would be at the risk of giving me a chance to try new games and other things and quit all together...
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 18,657 Guardian

    DNA3000 said:



    Again. No one said to do that. Aside from that, multi-million dollar companies always know best? Realm of Champions? Crystal Pepsi? New Coke? Quibi?

    They know better than someone giving opinions from a couch?....
    This is not Jeff Bezos having a conversation with Bill Gates, lol its an average joe who works a 9-5 telling a company how to deal with their issues.
    Also what a horrible set of examples...
    Did they stop making their original product and replace it with those new items they tried to sell? Lol...see another average joe thinking he knows better...
    OP said to stop everything.. leave it as side content... So someone said something ...
    Not looking to start a fight with semantics, but when New Coke came out, they stopped making the original until customer backlash forced them to start making Coke Classic again.
    An interesting side note here is that New Coke was the brainchild of someone who used opinion polling to dictate Coke's strategy. Coca Cola did market research that suggested, by a very high margin, that people preferred the taste of Pepsi over Coke in blind taste tests. Pepsi itself famously used the "Pepsi challenge" in their marketing and Coca Cola, interestingly enough, actually replicated their results. New Coke was Coke's attempt to push the taste of Coca Cola closer to Pepsi, because people said they preferred that.

    The problem was not that Coke didn't listen to their customers when they made the change, it is that they *did* listen to their customers but forgot the first rule of product development: people don't always say what they want, or even know what they want until presented with the choice. New Coke failed because Coke customers didn't want the flavor improved: they wanted Coke because it tasted like Coke.

    To this day there are people who think the whole thing was a stunt, but at the time I knew someone who worked high up at Coca Cola, and at the time of the change Coca Cola was 100% certain, with absolutely no doubt, that the whole thing was just a hiccough that would blow over quickly, because they had the data that showed people preferred the taste of New Coke. I was given a personal guarantee that "classic" coke was gone for good and was never coming back.
    Exactly this.. public opinion can work . Just not all the time, even the notion of giving people what they want can be dangerous...
    As for MCoC, yeah they could stop everything for a month lets say.. tell everyone hey we are going to try to fix some issues, so there will be nothing in the game. Then yoy have to deal with the backslash if they don't hit their due date, or fix everything.. players like me will probably put the game down until new stuff comes, and the company would be at the risk of giving me a chance to try new games and other things and quit all together...
    As entertaining as these side discussion can sometimes get, it is important to note here that in fact they can't stop everything for a month, or stop most things for a month, or just completely redo how they release content, because every single game dev has a job, and that job is not "work on whatever for whatever game." They each have a specific job that involves doing specific things as part of the overall developer content pipeline. And they don't work for us, they work for actual bosses who sign their actual paychecks. The champ designers can't just take a month off, or they would get fired. The producers who would fire them cannot let them take a month off, or *they* would get fired. Even the CEO of Kabam answers to people, and *he* would get fired if he decided to take a nine year old game with an established content pipeline and just stop it all to focus on one thing.

    No one person even has the power to make such a crazy decision in the first place. That's why it can't be done. Doing that would require coordinating a lot of people simultaneously to lose their minds in a very specific way. Individual developers and individual managers and individual executives have a certain amount of discretion, in some cases a lot of discretion, but what the OP is suggesting lies far, far beyond the boundaries of that discretion.

    It is possible in the same sense adding Batman as a playable character is possible. Nothing prevents it from happening, except everyone involved getting fired.
  • BigPoppaCBONEBigPoppaCBONE Posts: 2,280 ★★★★★
    I don't understand how this is still getting garbled. No one at Kabam would stop working. No one would be taking a month off from work or getting fired. No one would be taken off of their specifically non-bug related role and added to a new team to work on bugs. July's app update comes and the next app update comes in September. July's content would be 1 month of regular degular EQ and August would be all side quests with rewards (OP mentioned rotating through bg, aw, and aq as well, presumably with commensurate rewards), and no new playable champ that month. September's app update comes with a new EQ and two champs. @Jokergang54, please correct me if I've misrepresented your intent.

    Actually, I guess Martin the app upload guy that pushes the big red UPLOAD THE APP button could take an extra long lunch on what would have been August's app upload day. Probably won't get fired for it, but I can't say for certain.
  • BigPoppaCBONEBigPoppaCBONE Posts: 2,280 ★★★★★
    Crcrcrc said:

    As someone with a decent depth of coding knowledge, you do not just send someone into the depths of a program for bug fixes if they are not very familiar with exactly how it functions, especially on monstrously complex programs like MCOC

    No one suggested that.
  • RohtagaRohtaga Posts: 42
    Kabam Jax said:


    Only warning.

    Jax, your repeated use of this gif suggests your status as a man of true culture/Shoresy appreciator. I approve
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Posts: 2,664 ★★★★★
    edited February 14

    Crcrcrc said:

    As someone with a decent depth of coding knowledge, you do not just send someone into the depths of a program for bug fixes if they are not very familiar with exactly how it functions, especially on monstrously complex programs like MCOC

    No one suggested that.
    So ths title implies to take off a month to do everything as usual? Rofl...
  • BigPoppaCBONEBigPoppaCBONE Posts: 2,280 ★★★★★

    Crcrcrc said:

    As someone with a decent depth of coding knowledge, you do not just send someone into the depths of a program for bug fixes if they are not very familiar with exactly how it functions, especially on monstrously complex programs like MCOC

    No one suggested that.
    So ths title implies to take off a month to do everything as usual? Rofl...
    Read more than the title.
  • BigPoppaCBONEBigPoppaCBONE Posts: 2,280 ★★★★★
    Kabam Jax said:

    Rohtaga said:

    Kabam Jax said:


    Only warning.

    Jax, your repeated use of this gif suggests your status as a man of true culture/Shoresy appreciator. I approve
    Shorsey Season 1: Unbelievable, loved it, showed many people the series.
    Shorsey Season 2: Bad, needlessly oversexualized, I regretted showing people it.
    Letterkenny fell off the same way.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Posts: 2,664 ★★★★★
    edited February 14

    Crcrcrc said:

    As someone with a decent depth of coding knowledge, you do not just send someone into the depths of a program for bug fixes if they are not very familiar with exactly how it functions, especially on monstrously complex programs like MCOC

    No one suggested that.
    So ths title implies to take off a month to do everything as usual? Rofl...
    Read more than the title.
    It talks about putting things on hold.. as in take off time from doing new stuff until they fix things...
    Not sure what post you are reading...
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,007 ★★★★★
    Kabam Jax said:

    Rohtaga said:

    Kabam Jax said:


    Only warning.

    Jax, your repeated use of this gif suggests your status as a man of true culture/Shoresy appreciator. I approve
    Shorsey Season 1: Unbelievable, loved it, showed many people the series.
    Shorsey Season 2: Bad, needlessly oversexualized, I regretted showing people it.
    How spot on is Letterkenny? It's one of my favorite shows. Later seasons drifted a bit but it was great.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,007 ★★★★★


    Crcrcrc said:

    As someone with a decent depth of coding knowledge, you do not just send someone into the depths of a program for bug fixes if they are not very familiar with exactly how it functions, especially on monstrously complex programs like MCOC

    No one suggested that.
    So ths title implies to take off a month to do everything as usual? Rofl...
    Read more than the title.
    It talks about putting things on hold.. as in take off time from doing new stuff until they fix things...
    Not sure what post you are reading...
    Taking one month off from adding new stuff is not:

    Letting randos run loose in the game code or
    Firing everyone or
    Flipping a switch and shutting off the game or
    An immediate hiring spree and throwing bodies at issues and hoping for the best or
    Layoffs until the game is bug free


    I feel like I'm being trolled at this point. People are proudly not reading for comprehension what was actually posted and getting riled up commenting on some strawman they made up.
    Regardless of anything said in this thread, the yellow banner is why taking time off or whatever is suggested, doesn't matter. They put a patch out which we have to update, that's how bugs and things get fixed.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Posts: 2,664 ★★★★★
    edited February 14


    Crcrcrc said:

    As someone with a decent depth of coding knowledge, you do not just send someone into the depths of a program for bug fixes if they are not very familiar with exactly how it functions, especially on monstrously complex programs like MCOC

    No one suggested that.
    So ths title implies to take off a month to do everything as usual? Rofl...
    Read more than the title.
    It talks about putting things on hold.. as in take off time from doing new stuff until they fix things...
    Not sure what post you are reading...
    Taking one month off from adding new stuff is not:

    Letting randos run loose in the game code or
    Firing everyone or
    Flipping a switch and shutting off the game or
    An immediate hiring spree and throwing bodies at issues and hoping for the best or
    Layoffs until the game is bug free


    I feel like I'm being trolled at this point. People are proudly not reading for comprehension what was actually posted and getting riled up commenting on some strawman they made up.
    Who said anything about layoffs?
    I don't even know if you are serious or naive..
    Do you think that February champs and events were designed and made in January?
    Dude you are talking about hires, layoffs... Doesn't get any more strawman than that...
  • DeathsworkerDeathsworker Posts: 143 ★★
    Waiting for kabam to drop a single non bugged content
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Posts: 2,664 ★★★★★

    Waiting for kabam to drop a single non bugged content

    Nah you are waiting to get banned actually...
  • BigPoppaCBONEBigPoppaCBONE Posts: 2,280 ★★★★★

    Kabam Jax said:

    Rohtaga said:

    Kabam Jax said:


    Only warning.

    Jax, your repeated use of this gif suggests your status as a man of true culture/Shoresy appreciator. I approve
    Shorsey Season 1: Unbelievable, loved it, showed many people the series.
    Shorsey Season 2: Bad, needlessly oversexualized, I regretted showing people it.
    How spot on is Letterkenny? It's one of my favorite shows. Later seasons drifted a bit but it was great.
    My wife and I found the season before last unwatchable. We noped out maybe two episodes in. It started off so good. I feel like they lost the magic and made the characters into caricatures. Then leaned into girls and wordplay too much.
  • JollyHawkJollyHawk Posts: 536 ★★★

    Kabam Jax said:

    Rohtaga said:

    Kabam Jax said:


    Only warning.

    Jax, your repeated use of this gif suggests your status as a man of true culture/Shoresy appreciator. I approve
    Shorsey Season 1: Unbelievable, loved it, showed many people the series.
    Shorsey Season 2: Bad, needlessly oversexualized, I regretted showing people it.
    How spot on is Letterkenny? It's one of my favorite shows. Later seasons drifted a bit but it was great.
    One of the best reality TV shows of all time!! Right, @Kabam Jax?
  • BigPoppaCBONEBigPoppaCBONE Posts: 2,280 ★★★★★


    Crcrcrc said:

    As someone with a decent depth of coding knowledge, you do not just send someone into the depths of a program for bug fixes if they are not very familiar with exactly how it functions, especially on monstrously complex programs like MCOC

    No one suggested that.
    So ths title implies to take off a month to do everything as usual? Rofl...
    Read more than the title.
    It talks about putting things on hold.. as in take off time from doing new stuff until they fix things...
    Not sure what post you are reading...
    Taking one month off from adding new stuff is not:

    Letting randos run loose in the game code or
    Firing everyone or
    Flipping a switch and shutting off the game or
    An immediate hiring spree and throwing bodies at issues and hoping for the best or
    Layoffs until the game is bug free


    I feel like I'm being trolled at this point. People are proudly not reading for comprehension what was actually posted and getting riled up commenting on some strawman they made up.
    Regardless of anything said in this thread, the yellow banner is why taking time off or whatever is suggested, doesn't matter. They put a patch out which we have to update, that's how bugs and things get fixed.
    If they keep putting out patches and hotfixes that solve problems, I'm all for it. That's what we all want anyway.
  • Wicket329Wicket329 Posts: 3,009 ★★★★★

    Kabam Jax said:

    Rohtaga said:

    Kabam Jax said:


    Only warning.

    Jax, your repeated use of this gif suggests your status as a man of true culture/Shoresy appreciator. I approve
    Shorsey Season 1: Unbelievable, loved it, showed many people the series.
    Shorsey Season 2: Bad, needlessly oversexualized, I regretted showing people it.
    How spot on is Letterkenny? It's one of my favorite shows. Later seasons drifted a bit but it was great.

    Kabam Jax said:

    Rohtaga said:

    Kabam Jax said:


    Only warning.

    Jax, your repeated use of this gif suggests your status as a man of true culture/Shoresy appreciator. I approve
    Shorsey Season 1: Unbelievable, loved it, showed many people the series.
    Shorsey Season 2: Bad, needlessly oversexualized, I regretted showing people it.
    How spot on is Letterkenny? It's one of my favorite shows. Later seasons drifted a bit but it was great.
    My wife and I found the season before last unwatchable. We noped out maybe two episodes in. It started off so good. I feel like they lost the magic and made the characters into caricatures. Then leaned into girls and wordplay too much.
    It definitely fell off, but also I’m gonna start dropping some “How are you now”s into my posts since there’s such a following here.

    I regularly would drop this gif into alliance chat after a tough war loss:


  • Wicket329 said:

    Kabam Jax said:

    Rohtaga said:

    Kabam Jax said:


    Only warning.

    Jax, your repeated use of this gif suggests your status as a man of true culture/Shoresy appreciator. I approve
    Shorsey Season 1: Unbelievable, loved it, showed many people the series.
    Shorsey Season 2: Bad, needlessly oversexualized, I regretted showing people it.
    How spot on is Letterkenny? It's one of my favorite shows. Later seasons drifted a bit but it was great.

    Kabam Jax said:

    Rohtaga said:

    Kabam Jax said:


    Only warning.

    Jax, your repeated use of this gif suggests your status as a man of true culture/Shoresy appreciator. I approve
    Shorsey Season 1: Unbelievable, loved it, showed many people the series.
    Shorsey Season 2: Bad, needlessly oversexualized, I regretted showing people it.
    How spot on is Letterkenny? It's one of my favorite shows. Later seasons drifted a bit but it was great.
    My wife and I found the season before last unwatchable. We noped out maybe two episodes in. It started off so good. I feel like they lost the magic and made the characters into caricatures. Then leaned into girls and wordplay too much.
    It definitely fell off, but also I’m gonna start dropping some “How are you now”s into my posts since there’s such a following here.

    I regularly would drop this gif into alliance chat after a tough war loss:


    I use "can't win, don't play" as a day-to-day motto. (not really, but kinda sometimes)
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