Magic Thief - NEEDS NERF ASAP

FunnyDude · March 3

Well done Kabam, keep going

mbrace · March 3

GabeZRod said:
This defense tactic is literally impossible… you can’t dex specials or they gain indestructible. You can’t block specials or they gain 15% of a bar of power. It’s better off to just let yourself die and start again over trying to remove these indestructible passives

It is insane. I got stuck on a NF with Hazard Shift in war. It became impossible to remove the indestructible buffs at a rate faster than he would gain them, and so he didn’t even lose health in second form.

TheExit27 · March 3

CrazyBunnyZoy said:
Tbh it feels like the devs who develop Global nodes aren’t aware of game dynamics lately.

Constructively speaking it seems that when a new global is designed champs abilities and pre-existing nodes aren’t taken into account.

Some examples…

VERY well said. This meta makes me rethink doing War at all. Sucks the fun out of it completely.

TheExit27 · March 3

Wardruna said:
People don’t complain as much anymore probably because they just deal with it, but failed parries/dropped inputs still happen quite a bit.

Some of us stopped complaining because Kabam stopped listening. Personally, I get my comments taken down and get warnings for saying things Kabam doesn’t want to hear. And I’m very very cordial in my approach. Whenever something as anti-player as this War tactic comes about, Kabam typically drags their feet in fixing it. I’d rather be wrong, but I suspect this will be at least a very ugly and low-participating upcoming War season. Kabam has lost touch with the players on what we find fun in this game. Our time spent in the game has even been declared as “not a valuable resource”… so we’re likely gonna have to suffer through this with little to no changes made, realistically.

laserjohn26 · March 3

Wonder which mode kabaam will kill first. War or bg? I mean it won't die but war will have 20-25 alliances using items and 50 points in gc will get you mysterium in a few months

startropics · March 3

it's so bad they've even lost touch with veteran war players with years of t1 experience. the sudden difficulty change is so snobby and elitist, like who is this even targeted to?

Eb0ny-O-M4w · March 3

This is the exact same node from a few seasons ago that was just slightly reworked and introduced again. They didn't learned from their past mistakes it seems ...

Mr.0-8-4 · March 3

It's a hard defense tactic but it's beatable....until you face off against Bullseye.

Then it's a nightmare.

CrazyBunnyZoy · March 3

TheExit27 said:

Wardruna said:
People don’t complain as much anymore probably because they just deal with it, but failed parries/dropped inputs still happen quite a bit.
Some of us stopped complaining because Kabam stopped listening. Personally, I get my comments taken down and get warnings for saying things Kabam doesn’t want to hear. And I’m very very cordial in my approach. Whenever something as anti-player as this War tactic comes about, Kabam typically drags their feet in fixing it. I’d rather be wrong, but I suspect this will be at least a very ugly and low-participating upcoming War season. Kabam has lost touch with the players on what we find fun in this game. Our time spent in the game has even been declared as “not a valuable resource”… so we’re likely gonna have to suffer through this with little to no changes made, realistically.

I think you’ve hit the core of the problem.
The lack of communication is starting to become frustrating.
I really hope the inputs that were given with this topic ain’t going to be ignored as it happened with the Aw defense mastieries. ( it’s 2024 and we still have to switch masteries for every placement due to mysterious reasons).

It is surprising how they came out with such a global after A LOT of Platinum and master alliances skipped a season because of the previous node.

Maybe opening up to the community and listening would be the smart move on the long run. Nobody is asking for free resources or easy wars, just playable ones

Little_Crocodili29 · March 3

AW is a joke. Bottomline unplayable. The previous one was bad but this is ridiculous.

It's not enough that they dumped Persistant Placement on us full of defaults. No word to address any of the feedback the community gave on it. Members locked out of placement. Officers not able to remove defenders from bgs themselves.

Then stupid globals on top of stupid globals.

startropics · March 3

CrazyBunnyZoy said:

TheExit27 said:

Wardruna said:
People don’t complain as much anymore probably because they just deal with it, but failed parries/dropped inputs still happen quite a bit.
Some of us stopped complaining because Kabam stopped listening. Personally, I get my comments taken down and get warnings for saying things Kabam doesn’t want to hear. And I’m very very cordial in my approach. Whenever something as anti-player as this War tactic comes about, Kabam typically drags their feet in fixing it. I’d rather be wrong, but I suspect this will be at least a very ugly and low-participating upcoming War season. Kabam has lost touch with the players on what we find fun in this game. Our time spent in the game has even been declared as “not a valuable resource”… so we’re likely gonna have to suffer through this with little to no changes made, realistically.

I think you’ve hit the core of the problem.
The lack of communication is starting to become frustrating.
I really hope the inputs that were given with this topic ain’t going to be ignored as it happened with the Aw defense mastieries. ( it’s 2024 and we still have to switch masteries for every placement due to mysterious reasons).

It is surprising how they came out with such a global after A LOT of Platinum and master alliances skipped a season because of the previous node.

Maybe opening up to the community and listening would be the smart move on the long run. Nobody is asking for free resources or easy wars, just playable ones

being frank, they don't seem to care about feedback and just want to force a new direction.

-2 broken globals in a row
-4 busted defenders in 4 months not including photon
-breaking the system with crush, then selling a solution by separating t1 and 2 and branding t1 as "elite", which no one wanted or asked for

seasons had plenty of issues over the years like piloting, big shakeups like defender diversity, outdated potions, and switching currencies, but it managed to hold together fine for 6 years and now suddenly it's being turned into a luxury mode crafted for the finest players.

"if you don't like it you can quit" is what i'm hearing.

ace007ventura · March 3

Vegeta9001 said:

Pikolu said:

Wakandas_Finest said:
Freaking ridiculous and they drop this on the weekend so they probably won’t fix it before the season starts
Season starts in 11 days. I'd be surprised if it wasn't fixed by then.

I'm just glad the bugs with the tactic were made apparent during the offseason and not the actual season.
Crush/Sturdy was left a mess for an entire season, it still wasn't great last season. I'm not holding out hope, they keep trying out these fancy tactics that sound cool in principle but just suck any skill and fun out of the game.

Can't wait to face an Adam warlock on one eye open hazard shift node.

Dude !!! I am literally stuck on this node right now & came here to see how everyone else were dealing with this.

Bendy · March 3

Vegeta9001 said:

Pikolu said:

Wakandas_Finest said:
Freaking ridiculous and they drop this on the weekend so they probably won’t fix it before the season starts
Season starts in 11 days. I'd be surprised if it wasn't fixed by then.

I'm just glad the bugs with the tactic were made apparent during the offseason and not the actual season.
Crush/Sturdy was left a mess for an entire season, it still wasn't great last season. I'm not holding out hope, they keep trying out these fancy tactics that sound cool in principle but just suck any skill and fun out of the game.

Can't wait to face an Adam warlock on one eye open hazard shift node.

War im in we have a kate bishop on that node its bad like im just healing her than damaging

kus234 · March 3

How about Path 4 when defenders go unblockable..how to parry an unblockable defender????

fabsgrassi · March 3

Kabam thinks every alliance has a war planner officer beyond t5 wars. Its not true, not everyone has time to do so, but as said before, who cares about time anyway. The average allies will keep scoring like 60 deaths per BG and thats it

kus234 · March 3

fabsgrassi said:
Kabam thinks every alliance has a war planner officer beyond t5 wars. Its not true, not everyone has time to do so, but as said before, who cares about time anyway. The average allies will keep scoring like 60 deaths per BG and thats it

I don't think it's about planning . The nodes are not doable even if u plan . There are tons of interactions where u cannot get the defender down.. it's a **** tactic what was not tested and thrown to us... What Kabam should have used as Attack Tactic Should say "Pay 5 Dollars to solo the defender " use that tactic for perfect war.

Atluzmax · March 3

What do you think about node 49?

fabsgrassi · March 3

kus234 said:

fabsgrassi said:
Kabam thinks every alliance has a war planner officer beyond t5 wars. Its not true, not everyone has time to do so, but as said before, who cares about time anyway. The average allies will keep scoring like 60 deaths per BG and thats it
I don't think it's about planning . The nodes are not doable even if u plan . There are tons of interactions where u cannot get the defender down.. it's a **** tactic what was not tested and thrown to us... What Kabam should have used as Attack Tactic Should say "Pay 5 Dollars to solo the defender " use that tactic for perfect war.

Indeed; planning and exchanging paths for better match ups maybe make some fights better, but surely there are some that are pure bs

Gomezlink · March 3

The biggest problem is not just the difficulty, but the bug, passive prowless is not being exchanged for indestructible of the opponent

kus234 · March 3

I see certain fights the opponent is starting with Indestructible..how???? Will try to post a Vid..

kus234 · March 3

kus234 said:
I see certain fights the opponent is starting with Indestructible..how???? Will try to post a Vid..

I have 2 short clips to prove how in one instance the defender starts with Indestructible..how can I post Videos here??

BigBlueOx · March 3

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laserjohn26 said:
Wonder which mode kabaam will kill first. War or bg? I mean it won't die but war will have 20-25 alliances using items and 50 points in gc will get you mysterium in a few months

That does seem like the current design goals

NeinoIII · March 3

"The tactic is not working as intended and the difficulty is lower than what we planned for so we will be revamping it." -Kabam probably

Bugmat78 · March 3

BigTuna_2054 said:
Ya it’s beyond ridiculous that this could be tested and approved.

Bugmat78 · March 3

Havanaknight said:
I run path 9. There aren’t a lot of immunity options for the hazard shifts. Any plan to mitigate those?

Same here - it's **** - like 4 attackers and half will probably be banned. Would like to see devs do every path with tactics to show us how reasonable they are before release.

mmartin5817 · March 3

I’m just taking notes. One eye open ✅. Hazard shift ✅. Other pain nodes ✅. Just updated my champs go magic thief’s. Gonna get 50 kills this aw 😂

iDestroyerZ · March 3

Watch kabam take a few days to respond this and only fixing the bug about the indestructible not being removed and completely ignoring the other bad interactions, such as the unblockable nodes/champions

Either kabam not learned their lesson or this is completely intentional as an attempt to drive more and more item usage in AW, when Crush was announced, kabam said they were going to bring back some older defense tactic and this current tactic is a copycat of Stubborn, which was also hated back in 2019-2020

i'm concerned that kabam will keep this tactic the way it is for 2 months and the next tactic will be another one that was hated and just giving another name/champs tags

Magic Thief - NEEDS NERF ASAP

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