Deathless champions damage comparision

So now we have got 3 deathless champions Guillotine King Groot and Vision. Below are their stats.

DGullotine

DKG

Dvision

As you can see both King Groot and Guillotine and 3 Damage rating and Vision has 3.5 rating

Below are the fight times these champs took to take down the winter soldier in RoL. Guess who took the longest time.

Deathless Vision is worst among all the deathless we got and his damage rating tho being higher than others is very less than others. I don't believe anyone who says that he is decent because he doesn't meet the numbers provided by balance team. Hopefully he gets rebalanced.

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Bendy

So now we have got 3 deathless champions Guillotine King Groot and Vision. Below are their stats.

DGullotine

DKG

Dvision

As you can see both King Groot and Guillotine and 3 Damage rating and Vision has 3.5 rating

Below are the fight times these champs took to take down the winter soldier in RoL. Guess who took the longest time.

Deathless Vision is worst among all the deathless we got and his damage rating tho being higher than others is very less than others. I don't believe anyone who says that he is decent because he doesn't meet the numbers provided by balance team. Hopefully he gets rebalanced.

Guilly deathless does at least 4.5 since her degen is insane id say dkg is a 4 dvis is 2 1.5 at best like im sorry its so bad

Suros_moon

Spider punk was given a damage rating of 4.5… You’re best bet with whatever the team assigns these values is to assume that they don’t even own the champion

Harryatomix

I agree with you Bendy, but the balance team was aiming for those numbers so they will buff Dvision right?

Harryatomix

Spider punk was given a damage rating of 4.5… You’re best bet with whatever the team assigns these values is to assume that they don’t even own the champion

Yeah and that is why they are buffing him as we saw in his rebalance post

Ashacekar

One thing i got to know from this post is that we can call deathless vision as division. Nice

Bendy

I agree with you Bendy, but the balance team was aiming for those numbers so they will buff Dvision right?

I hope he looks so cool but im sorry hes so bad i found out vs wolverine his degen he does is only 2.4k for sig 20 its so pathetic i was hoping the degen be 7k and affected by fury but i just cant find good about him only the negative like i dont even see a damage boost from heal block via sig

Harryatomix

They have cut the regen in King Groot sig to give more damage, which was a worthy trade imo. But with Dvis they butchered his power control completely and gave him almost nothing in return (his damage is nothing different from normal vision)

Harryatomix

One thing i got to know from this post is that we can call deathless vision as division. Nice

Just like how his power control is divided in deathless version.

WednesdayLength

They have cut the regen in King Groot sig to give more damage, which was a worthy trade imo. But with Dvis they butchered his power control completely and gave him almost nothing in return (his damage is nothing different from normal vision)

His damage is absolutely better than og vision even if only slightly. I agree he should get a tune up, but show me a single fight without synergies where og vision does as much damage as deathless vision

Harryatomix

They have cut the regen in King Groot sig to give more damage, which was a worthy trade imo. But with Dvis they butchered his power control completely and gave him almost nothing in return (his damage is nothing different from normal vision)
His damage is absolutely better than og vision even if only slightly. I agree he should get a tune up, but show me a single fight without synergies where og vision does as much damage as deathless vision

You didn't get my point, they took away the most important aspect of his kit power control. The slight damage increase he got doesn't make it a worthy trade to me. Look at King Groot he got more damage increase with less trade off and he is rated less than Vision damage wise.

Wolf911

They have cut the regen in King Groot sig to give more damage, which was a worthy trade imo. But with Dvis they butchered his power control completely and gave him almost nothing in return (his damage is nothing different from normal vision)
His damage is absolutely better than og vision even if only slightly. I agree he should get a tune up, but show me a single fight without synergies where og vision does as much damage as deathless vision

og vision & aou vision both are not advertised as damage dealers

they are there to control the fights with power burn, power steal and synthesis

here's what there champion spotlight stats look like

whereas deathless vision is listed 3.5 in damage which he is not hitting

ahmynuts

Spider punk was given a damage rating of 4.5… You’re best bet with whatever the team assigns these values is to assume that they don’t even own the champion

Why is spunk catching strays in here lmaooo.
I'd say he's about a 4 rn

Magrailothos

Harry, i completely agree that Deathless Vision definitely doesn't have damage superior to Guilly/DKG; so if that's what was being aimed for, he needs to be rebalanced (and hopefully, he will be).

However, I think you've not necessarily used Guilly to her full potential - did you throw any Special-3s? They add a lot of damage, against opponents with a large Healthpool

Your biggest hit is 20,000, and time was 1:43 - take a look at mine:

That's a 1/25 Guilly; no recoils, without using a relic.

Bendy

Harry, i completely agree that Deathless Vision definitely doesn't have damage superior to Guilly/DKG; so if that's what was being aimed for, he needs to be rebalanced (and hopefully, he will be).

However, I think you've not necessarily used Guilly to her full potential - did you throw any Special-3s? They add a lot of damage, against opponents with a large Healthpool

Your biggest hit is 20,000, and time was 1:43 - take a look at mine:

That's a 1/25 Guilly; no recoils, without using a relic.

Yeah dguilly is insane full synergy for me with r3 7 and gr 4 star dup relic i can get fights done in 37 seconds and 30 second fights in rol from her sp3 doing 150k sp3

TrongNov

Lol 3.5 for DVision. Sure, 3.5k is the upper threshold of his critical hits.

Bendy

Lol 3.5 for DVision. Sure, 3.5k is the upper threshold of his critical hits.

Non crits are worse i think the synergy fury he gets only pushes him without any of his own fury before ramp i saw 1.1k

Harryatomix

Harry, i completely agree that Deathless Vision definitely doesn't have damage superior to Guilly/DKG; so if that's what was being aimed for, he needs to be rebalanced (and hopefully, he will be).

However, I think you've not necessarily used Guilly to her full potential - did you throw any Special-3s? They add a lot of damage, against opponents with a large Healthpool

Your biggest hit is 20,000, and time was 1:43 - take a look at mine:

That's a 1/25 Guilly; no recoils, without using a relic.

Maybe I was not using her correctly. King Groot and Guillotine were first tries. I tried multiple times to get best time for vision lmao. I didn't throw sp3, just sp2s. So that means Guillotine and KG are balanced similarly damage wise and then there is vision.

ahmynuts

Bendy

Thats with suicides do it without

ahmynuts

Thats with suicides do it without

I didn't say it wasn't.

Harryatomix

what rank is it?

SummonerNR

D.Guilly's Regen must not be factored into her “Survivability” line.
And her Degen must not be factored into her “Damage” line.

And those things must not be part of “Utility” either.

captain_rogers

Funny how division has all the utilities (heal block, phase for easy parry/intercept openings, power control) and he only needs a damag tune up to be a decent useful champ like the other two.

Harryatomix

Funny how division has all the utilities (heal block, phase for easy parry/intercept openings, power control) and he only needs a damag tune up to be a decent useful champ like the other two.

His phase feels clunky to me, it is hard to get 4 furies during his phase you have to be ultra instinct and you can phase opponent specials but u don't want to do it because you will only gain 1 fury when u phase as opposed to 3 or 4. His phase should pause during opponent specials idk why it doesn't.

D.Guilly's Regen must not be factored into her “Survivability” line.
And her Degen must not be factored into her “Damage” line.

And those things must not be part of “Utility” either.

What are you trying to convey here, don't tell me you actually think Division has 3.5 damage.

UnobtainiumClaws

R1 DVision vs R2 DGuilly.
No synergies and no suicides.
40 seconds difference, one hits the damage cap and the other didn’t, same health left over but different hits received.
The fight with DVision was more fast paced because of his power control. Which I prefer over spending time baiting specials. I do agree DVision needs a buff though. Increase his furies to at least 15 and a little more potent power burn.

PT_99

False marketing.
Plain and simple

Harryatomix

https://youtu.be/WuNAOW0Z9Yw?si=ewfI6DUsRoGy0UO_

Beroman's video on Dvision. I would like to point out that Ironheart also has 3.5 damage rating and does fights 2 times faster than Dvision. Kabam fumbled a lot with Dvision (Silver Sable level).

captain_rogers

https://youtu.be/WuNAOW0Z9Yw?si=ewfI6DUsRoGy0UO_

Beroman's video on Dvision. I would like to point out that Ironheart also has 3.5 damage rating and does fights 2 times faster than Dvision. Kabam fumbled a lot with Dvision (Silver Sable level).

I stopped the video immediately after seeing him saying "King groot sucked"

Harryatomix

https://youtu.be/WuNAOW0Z9Yw?si=ewfI6DUsRoGy0UO_

Beroman's video on Dvision. I would like to point out that Ironheart also has 3.5 damage rating and does fights 2 times faster than Dvision. Kabam fumbled a lot with Dvision (Silver Sable level).
I stopped the video immediately after seeing him saying "King groot sucked"

He has decent damage and very tanky, maybe not for BGs but he is serviceable everywhere else.

captain_rogers

https://youtu.be/WuNAOW0Z9Yw?si=ewfI6DUsRoGy0UO_

Beroman's video on Dvision. I would like to point out that Ironheart also has 3.5 damage rating and does fights 2 times faster than Dvision. Kabam fumbled a lot with Dvision (Silver Sable level).
I stopped the video immediately after seeing him saying "King groot sucked"
He has decent damage and very tanky, maybe not for BGs but he is serviceable everywhere else.

Yes. His regen is amazing. He is a monster in path 3 AW