7r3 DOT vs 7r3 Hard Hitter

Help me understand to make a better choice. I don't have r3 yet. I'm on my way to r3 Silk and Guardian, and maybe White Tiger/White Magneto due to catalyst expire.
Im still wondering whether to r3 DOT champ or Hard Hitter champ. Whose benefit more in terms of damage? Do you have example?

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SpiderVerse

I also have sinister, but I feel like he is good enough in r2

JLordVileJ

Don't know don't care do wags

SpiderVerse

Don't know don't care do wags

Yea, I like him, wanna r3 him. But I think he's pretty slow. Anybody use him? Or just for synergy and prefight

JLordVileJ

Don't know don't care do wags
Yea, I like him, wanna r3 him. But I think he's pretty slow. Anybody use him? Or just for synergy and prefight

I have him as a r2, gonna r3 him. He is literally the opposite of slow he is a nuke. Sp1 sp2 or even just sp2 does insane damage. If u were to go in bg and just launch a sp2 if both hits crit its pretty much game over for the defender

SpiderVerse

Don't know don't care do wags
Yea, I like him, wanna r3 him. But I think he's pretty slow. Anybody use him? Or just for synergy and prefight
I have him as a r2, gonna r3 him. He is literally the opposite of slow he is a nuke. Sp1 sp2 or even just sp2 does insane damage. If u were to go in bg and just launch a sp2 if both hits crit its pretty much game over for the defender

Hmm, my bad, let me make this clear. I like him because yes, he can do great damage with just a few hits, which is a fast rampage, not slow.

I said slow in terms of animation, the gameplay. Well, recently I just compared him to my Silk. You know she's so smooth, so agile and looks fast, so yeah I felt that my wags relatively slow, lol

Riryoku

It really depends on the type of DoT. Onslaught and Sinister are considered monsters because they have the best DoT in the game: Degen. When choosing a DoT, you need to consider how many defenders in the meta have resistance or immunity to that specific type of damage, which is why Degen stands out as the best:

It deals direct damage, bypassing both physical and energy resistance.
No champion is completely immune to it—some may have resistance to Degen, but it typically requires meeting specific conditions (e.g., Hulk's resistance scales as he loses health, or Spider-Ham needing his charges).
DoTs can also bypass nodes that restrict damage, such as Rage or Safeguard, and they’re especially useful for saving time against champions with long animations. Even if you're stuck baiting specials, you'll still be dealing some damage.

That said, I still think hard-hitters are better investments. Their damage isn’t limited by immunities, resistance varies by champion, and crit-based damage is often superior since it bypasses some armor and resistances.

In your particular case, Silk is undoubtedly the best option. She hits very hard and has unique utilities, such as not generating buffs with her abilities, making her ideal for matchups where buffs are a liability (e.g., Dormammu or Mojo, depending on the node). She has easy access to knockdowns and an ability that lets her evade attacks without needing Dexterity. Any regular health pool in the game dies from one SP3 rotation, and in Battlegrounds, an SP2 is often enough.

I say this as someone with WT and Guardian at R3. WT hits hard and has some utility, but she needs 5/5 Deep Wounds to maximize her bleeds, especially against Serpent. As for Guardian, he's one of the few R3s I regret ranking up, I don't use him as much as I expected because of how the meta tends to be.
Wags (White Magneto) is an interesting option but situational. He’d be a solid choice if:

He’s awakened.
You have a high-rarity Gambit relic.

Gambit relic makes his damage more consistent. Even though it’s not obvious, the projectiles in his specials deal physical damage, so they benefit from the relic.

SpiderVerse

It really depends on the type of DoT. Onslaught and Sinister are considered monsters because they have the best DoT in the game: Degen. When choosing a DoT, you need to consider how many defenders in the meta have resistance or immunity to that specific type of damage, which is why Degen stands out as the best:
It deals direct damage, bypassing both physical and energy resistance.
No champion is completely immune to it—some may have resistance to Degen, but it typically requires meeting specific conditions (e.g., Hulk's resistance scales as he loses health, or Spider-Ham needing his charges).
DoTs can also bypass nodes that restrict damage, such as Rage or Safeguard, and they’re especially useful for saving time against champions with long animations. Even if you're stuck baiting specials, you'll still be dealing some damage.
That said, I still think hard-hitters are better investments. Their damage isn’t limited by immunities, resistance varies by champion, and crit-based damage is often superior since it bypasses some armor and resistances.

In your particular case, Silk is undoubtedly the best option. She hits very hard and has unique utilities, such as not generating buffs with her abilities, making her ideal for matchups where buffs are a liability (e.g., Dormammu or Mojo, depending on the node). She has easy access to knockdowns and an ability that lets her evade attacks without needing Dexterity. Any regular health pool in the game dies from one SP3 rotation, and in Battlegrounds, an SP2 is often enough.

I say this as someone with WT and Guardian at R3. WT hits hard and has some utility, but she needs 5/5 Deep Wounds to maximize her bleeds, especially against Serpent. As for Guardian, he's one of the few R3s I regret ranking up, I don't use him as much as I expected because of how the meta tends to be.
Wags (White Magneto) is an interesting option but situational. He’d be a solid choice if:
He’s awakened.
You have a high-rarity Gambit relic.
Gambit relic makes his damage more consistent. Even though it’s not obvious, the projectiles in his specials deal physical damage, so they benefit from the relic.

Great explanation. First of all, I like both, and will also like a champ that has a combination of it.

That's what makes wags pretty interesting, he can deals degen instead of bleed against metal opponents. Also, his heavy can hit really hard too especially when he places armor break from sp1.

In addition, he has a cool synergy for attack boost and passive stun I guess.

Bonus points, well-known marvel character alongside cool outfit, and ofc, flying.

But it's kinda rare to see him as a r3, idk, maybe because a lot of tier list out there not putting him on a top tier?

My Silk still at r2 and I see a lot of improvement from r1, I can't wait to see her capability when I r3 her. Beside her utility, playstyle, I like her because I learned that she has a one of highest attack in game (r3) alongside big health based on auntmai.

Speaking of wt, she has a similar stat with Silk and has high damage potential. I like her playstyle even though it's kinda risky for me, but very fun to use.

Guardian, oh man, he is so cool. He just proved to me that he is worth it. Nice utility, great damage, autoblock, easy gameplay, I like him. I don't really know about meta because I'm not in a top tier bg or aw so yeah.

So yeah, those 4 + sinister are my top champs, all unawakened. I don't have many options atm, some great champs but I'm not interested, while those precious catalyst just overflow..

JLordVileJ

I have a r3 guardian as well btw, sp1 sp2 almost kills winter soldier. Barely any bg defenders sp1 sp2 doesn't kill. As long as they aren't shock immune or resistant sp1 sp1 sp2 always kills. Bearing in mind though, I have a 6 star r2 Hulkbuster relic

SpiderVerse

I have a r3 guardian as well btw, sp1 sp2 almost kills winter soldier. Barely any bg defenders sp1 sp2 doesn't kill. As long as they aren't shock immune or resistant sp1 sp1 sp2 always kills. Bearing in mind though, I have a 6 star r2 Hulkbuster relic

I can't imagine that lol. Mine just r1 unawakened 7star guardian with 3star hb relic can kill ws in 97 second, or around that..

JLordVileJ

I have a r3 guardian as well btw, sp1 sp2 almost kills winter soldier. Barely any bg defenders sp1 sp2 doesn't kill. As long as they aren't shock immune or resistant sp1 sp1 sp2 always kills. Bearing in mind though, I have a 6 star r2 Hulkbuster relic
I can't imagine that lol. Mine just r1 unawakened 7star guardian with 3star hb relic can kill ws in 97 second, or around that..

https://youtu.be/g0cXTPcVLqM?si=MySwTaGy_OuDN4zN

JLordVileJ

I have a r3 guardian as well btw, sp1 sp2 almost kills winter soldier. Barely any bg defenders sp1 sp2 doesn't kill. As long as they aren't shock immune or resistant sp1 sp1 sp2 always kills. Bearing in mind though, I have a 6 star r2 Hulkbuster relic
I can't imagine that lol. Mine just r1 unawakened 7star guardian with 3star hb relic can kill ws in 97 second, or around that..
A https://youtu.be/g0cXTPcVLqM?si=MySwTaGy_OuDN4zN

Full synergies

SpiderVerse

I have a r3 guardian as well btw, sp1 sp2 almost kills winter soldier. Barely any bg defenders sp1 sp2 doesn't kill. As long as they aren't shock immune or resistant sp1 sp1 sp2 always kills. Bearing in mind though, I have a 6 star r2 Hulkbuster relic
I can't imagine that lol. Mine just r1 unawakened 7star guardian with 3star hb relic can kill ws in 97 second, or around that..
A https://youtu.be/g0cXTPcVLqM?si=MySwTaGy_OuDN4zN

Impressive, he doesn't even have a chance. I guess my time not bad then, because I don't use any synergy, I don't use boost, just guardian...