Titan Crystal Cadence - 3 months or 2 months?

Before, the Titan would rotate every 2 months and it got changed to 3 months recently. It feels like so long for the new rotation to come in, and ive noticed a lot more people have been hoarding titans ever since the change, and Kabam obviously dislikes hoarding.

On top of that it takes roughly a year for new champs to enter the basic pool now, which would further motivate people to hoard titans in hopes of having more chances for new and exciting champs to come like Bastion

What do you think, do you wish they kept it at 2 months? Is the new 3 month too long?

Comments

Asher1_1

yeah make a thread by totally missing & not saying why it changed from 2 months to 3 months LOL

- ez we will get more new champs not the mid level champ like redhulk , bwdo champs
- with smaller new champ pull u can pull them more likely
- u can see if u watch many people Epoch 7* pull (5 champ nexus) all are worse as no new all dupe or double dupe
- whereas Titan nexus - u have high chance to pull better champ

SummonerNR

With the new 3 month change, a higher fraction of new incoming sets will be New champs vs Old champs.

So, until all 3 sets eventually are in this higher NEW Ratio, people might be holding off (to allow the higher fraction of OLD champs to cycle out first).

Kabam probably should have adjusted the Titan contents when they switched to 3 months.
Remove 1 OLD champ from each of the 1st and 2nd Sets in there, to better match the new Ratio.
That way, people wouldn’t have been inclined to hoard them for the first couple cycles after they switched to 3 month cycles.

Polygon

yeah make a thread by totally missing & not saying why it changed from 2 months to 3 months LOL

- ez we will get more new champs not the mid level champ like redhulk , bwdo champs
- with smaller new champ pull u can pull them more likely
- u can see if u watch many people Epoch 7* pull (5 champ nexus) all are worse as no new all dupe or double dupe
- whereas Titan nexus - u have high chance to pull better champ

1) spidey supreme and falcon torres are not mid to you? What planet are you on?

2) i had to read this like 6 times to understand your broken english, but you act as if all the "old champs" in the Titan were bad. Look at Juggernaut, Spider Ham, Knull, Warlock, Hyperion and Crossbones to name a few. These are all banger champs. We could finally see better skill champs like Kingpin, Stealthy, Nick or Valk

3) literally the opposite, youre more likely to get a new champ with a 2 month cycle as the titan champs wouldve rotated into basic (and therefore epoch) more often. Facepalm lol

captain_rogers

It allows you to pull a new champ easier. Even though some old chamo on titans were good, most of us like to pull the new, exciting champs. It doesn't matter whether torres is mid or not, he's a new champ and always have the possibility to get rebalanced, hence it is fine to pull him. And spidey supreme is not mid bruh he's crazy and can do serpent.

The motto of titan is to act like featured, better shot on pulling new champs. The 3 month cooling period allows us to open more titans in a specific pool. So better shot at getting a new champ.

Look at it this way. You want bastion desperately. You have more chances on pulling him in 9 months compared to 6 months.

I don't understand hoarders you all hoard it always. The current titan pool is extremely good why would one like to hoard it? Titan shards come easier these days it makes no sense to hoard them.

Polygon

It allows you to pull a new champ easier. Even though some old chamo on titans were good, most of us like to pull the new, exciting champs. It doesn't matter whether torres is mid or not, he's a new champ and always have the possibility to get rebalanced, hence it is fine to pull him. And spidey supreme is not mid bruh he's crazy and can do serpent.

The motto of titan is to act like featured, better shot on pulling new champs. The 3 month cooling period allows us to open more titans in a specific pool. So better shot at getting a new champ.

Look at it this way. You want bastion desperately. You have more chances on pulling him in 9 months compared to 6 months.

I don't understand hoarders you all hoard it always. The current titan pool is extremely good why would one like to hoard it? Titan shards come easier these days it makes no sense to hoard them.

It is a lot slower than the featured crystal cadence was for 6* champions though. You can end up getting Bastion and Jean early on in the next rotation but what if theres a bad champion within that rotation and you keep pulling them? Now you have to wait 9 months compared to 6 months for them to leave the pool so the converse of what you said also holds true.

As for the hoarding, you are correct that this current Titan is great. However what if you have all the good champs from the 6 that are immediately leaving (enchantress nefaria etc) and just missing bwdo, brb, and idoom. Then, in the next titan rotation you can still get the good champs like scream, zola, okoye, dazzler as they will all still be in the pool, but now you can also get jean/bastion instead of bwdo or idoom so overall you have better odds of getting your shards worth.

captain_rogers

Hoarding is a personal choice. Kabam discourage hoarding. That's why they increases titan pool change time. Nobody wants to hoard for 9 months unless they are insane. And titan shards are easy to get by nowadays.

Even if you hoard for bastion or Jean Grey there might be duds in next titan as well. Or you could pull rulk. They don't cater to hoarders. They cater to players who actively open crystals. And this change is W for them as you have better chances at pulling a champ.

You think in the best case. " What is someone pulled nefaria already ". Just hoard. You have the option. But what if someone didn't pull nefaria already. Like me. Now I have more timeframe and better chances at pulling him.

DrZola

The other side of champs remaining in the Titan for 270 days is that the Titan can begin to look stale.

Example: I love Nefaria. But…mine is L200 and I’ve only used ~20 stones on him. Also pulled him once while at L200. He’s a great champ, but I’d prefer not to have pulled him so many times. Suppose now that, instead of Nefaria, the champ we are talking about is Rhulk (a champ I really like, but also a champ I don’t want or need to pull 9-10 times from a Titan).

Ultimately, if the Titan is making way for something else bigger and better, then the new system is a great way to gradually reduce the allure of the Titan.

Dr. Zola

Asher1_1

yeah make a thread by totally missing & not saying why it changed from 2 months to 3 months LOL

- ez we will get more new champs not the mid level champ like redhulk , bwdo champs
- with smaller new champ pull u can pull them more likely
- u can see if u watch many people Epoch 7* pull (5 champ nexus) all are worse as no new all dupe or double dupe
- whereas Titan nexus - u have high chance to pull better champ
1) spidey supreme and falcon torres are not mid to you? What planet are you on?

2) i had to read this like 6 times to understand your broken english, but you act as if all the "old champs" in the Titan were bad. Look at Juggernaut, Spider Ham, Knull, Warlock, Hyperion and Crossbones to name a few. These are all banger champs. We could finally see better skill champs like Kingpin, Stealthy, Nick or Valk

3) literally the opposite, youre more likely to get a new champ with a 2 month cycle as the titan champs wouldve rotated into basic (and therefore epoch) more often. Facepalm lol

They are specialist means they are useful for war ,u probably never played war and planned stuff.(2/18 champ)
(Falcon applies immediate slow which counter any level of unstoppable node , spidey u never played the meta when he was way too powerful)

This is not your English class ,looks like u are dumb of it took you 6 tries .

Are u mid ?? Why u always talk like u won't get Titan crystal ? U can only get a champ if they get added in basic ??

Titan - 18 champs
Basic - 108 champs

If u math is bad also ,which crystal is better new champs u can just calculate

Gentsy12

It doesn't matter whether torres is mid or not, he's a new champ and always have the possibility to get rebalanced, hence it is fine to pull him.

I’ll be waiting with bated breath for Torres’ rebalance in summer 2027 after Kabam changes the max number of rebalances a year to 3. They’ve reduced the number of rebalances every year for the last 4 years, so I think it’s totally reasonable to expect another reduction announced in Dec.

Wicket329

I recently made a thread on this same subject, the discussion there may help add some context/insight to this conversation:
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/391039/titan-cadence-troubles/p1

MrSakuragi

yeah make a thread by totally missing & not saying why it changed from 2 months to 3 months LOL

- ez we will get more new champs not the mid level champ like redhulk , bwdo champs
- with smaller new champ pull u can pull them more likely
- u can see if u watch many people Epoch 7* pull (5 champ nexus) all are worse as no new all dupe or double dupe
- whereas Titan nexus - u have high chance to pull better champ

Other side of that is that it delays the bangers that are locked to 6* out even further

altavista

You think in the best case. " What is someone pulled nefaria already ". Just hoard. You have the option. But what if someone didn't pull nefaria already. Like me. Now I have more timeframe and better chances at pulling him.

Old model:
1. Pulled champion, don't want to pull them anymore - wait 6 months.
2. Haven't pulled champion, still want to pull them - have 6 months to try and pull them.*
3. Don't have Titan crystals - wait 6 months for the chance to try and pull them

New model:
1. Pulled champion, don't want to pull them anymore - wait 9 months
2. Haven't pulled champion, still want to pull them - have 9 months to try and pull them.*
3. Don't have Titan crystals - wait 9 months for the chance to try and pull them

The problem here is that with the Old model, two player types 'benefit' (6 months isn't that long), while one player type is 'harmed' by the shorter 6 month period. In the New model, two player types are 'harmed' (needing to wait an additional 3 months), while one player type* 'benefits' from the longer period.

*And even there - how much benefit is Player #2 deriving from the extra 3 months? An average player probably doesn't earn enough to open that many more Titan crystals. A typical player can get 2.5k Titan shards from maxing BG objectives 3 times (7.5k Titan shards across that extra 3 months). Monthly, a player probably gets maybe 2k Titan shards from SQ type things, so 6k shards across that 3 months. So that puts this average player at 13.5k out of the 20k shards needed. There are probably other random Titan sources (there will probably be endgame content in that 3 month period that will grant 1 Titan crystal; and high level players can earn more Titan shards from high level competition), but for the average player, they're not opening that much more Titan crystals during that extra 9 months.

Essentially, if a player earns roughly the same amount of Titan crystals across 6 months vs 9 months, then they are not benefiting from this "increased chance of pulling the champion you want" since the volume is not increasing.

So essentially, one player type benefits from the new model, and only certain players within that player type (high earners) can benefit from it.

captain_rogers

New candece reduce number of trash champs entering the crystal.

The current format only allows 1 champ to enter titan, opposing to usual 2 and "ocassional" 3. So less old champs.

There are 3 types of old champs
1) broken - doom, hulking
2) Good but not broken - Stealth spidey, apoc
3) Mid/Okayish but not buff worthy - annihilius, Hulk rags
4) Trash - groot, kamala khan

They aren't gonna release champs of type 1 and 4 for obvious reasons. Which gives us champs on type 2 and 3, which is very limited, and they also have to release some of these champs in special crystals to milk during events.

So the new titan allows us to have less Rulks and Blades and more new champs.

When all old 2 month rotation champs exit titan (All champs ipto December batch), which happens by september. We will be likely having 15/18 new champs, and 3 older ones, who again, are highly likely to get buffed before being released. So titan crystals will actually have better value.

captain_rogers

You think in the best case. " What is someone pulled nefaria already ". Just hoard. You have the option. But what if someone didn't pull nefaria already. Like me. Now I have more timeframe and better chances at pulling him.
Old model:
1. Pulled champion, don't want to pull them anymore - wait 6 months.
2. Haven't pulled champion, still want to pull them - have 6 months to try and pull them.*
3. Don't have Titan crystals - wait 6 months for the chance to try and pull them

New model:
1. Pulled champion, don't want to pull them anymore - wait 9 months
2. Haven't pulled champion, still want to pull them - have 9 months to try and pull them.*
3. Don't have Titan crystals - wait 9 months for the chance to try and pull them

The problem here is that with the Old model, two player types 'benefit' (6 months isn't that long), while one player type is 'harmed' by the shorter 6 month period. In the New model, two player types are 'harmed' (needing to wait an additional 3 months), while one player type* 'benefits' from the longer period.

*And even there - how much benefit is Player #2 deriving from the extra 3 months? An average player probably doesn't earn enough to open that many more Titan crystals. A typical player can get 2.5k Titan shards from maxing BG objectives 3 times (7.5k Titan shards across that extra 3 months). Monthly, a player probably gets maybe 2k Titan shards from SQ type things, so 6k shards across that 3 months. So that puts this average player at 13.5k out of the 20k shards needed. There are probably other random Titan sources (there will probably be endgame content in that 3 month period that will grant 1 Titan crystal; and high level players can earn more Titan shards from high level competition), but for the average player, they're not opening that much more Titan crystals during that extra 9 months.

Essentially, if a player earns roughly the same amount of Titan crystals across 6 months vs 9 months, then they are not benefiting from this "increased chance of pulling the champion you want" since the volume is not increasing.

So essentially, one player type benefits from the new model, and only certain players within that player type (high earners) can benefit from it.

Again, hoarders are not their main curstomer. Kabam often discourages hoarding, although sometimes rarely they rewarded hoarders. So their main focus is type 2 players

And wym by type 3? Players who don't even opened their first titan? Why should they have to wait? They just have to wait until they form a titan crystal.

Gentsy12

3 older ones, who again, are highly likely to get buffed before being released. So titan crystals will actually have better value.

This won’t be possible with the new Batch process. At MOST we are getting 3 rebalances every batch are there are only 2 batches per year, that includes new and old champs. Assuming that 4 of the available rebalances will go to old champs (1 for each of the Titan rotations per year) is putting a lot of pressure on champ designer to release champs that are properly balanced as you only have 2 spots available.

Additionally, based of the new batch process the timing gets tricky. Either champs will be buffed before going into the Titan or after they’re already in the Titan.

If they’re buffed before they’re in the Titan kabam has 2 choices. Either a) release them through another acquisition method (e.g., track event, chase event, etc.) and diminish their value if/when they enter the Titan or b) not have them available as a 7* when the buff goes live which would diminish the perceived value and excitement. If they’re buffed after they’re already in the Titan the pull still feels bad for players.

Alternatively, they could not use the Titan for any buffed champs and instead just use the Titan for the “good but not broken” champs but as you said that group will run out quickly.

Let’s use MODOK as an example. His buff is going live in August and the titan pools will refresh in June and Sept. Kabam basically has 4 options:
1. Include him in the June Titan pool and make him worthless for 2 months, potentially longer if his buff is so-so (although, I have to give them credit the recent buffs have been good- 6 buffs in Dec, sable)
2. Plan to have him in Sept Titan and don’t have a 7* available for the first month of his buff.
3. Plan to have him in Sept Titan and release him as a 7* through another acquisition method.
4. Do not have him in the Titan and only release through other acquisition methods.

I’m curious which you think is the best of these options.

altavista

You think in the best case. " What is someone pulled nefaria already ". Just hoard. You have the option. But what if someone didn't pull nefaria already. Like me. Now I have more timeframe and better chances at pulling him.
Old model:
1. Pulled champion, don't want to pull them anymore - wait 6 months.
2. Haven't pulled champion, still want to pull them - have 6 months to try and pull them.*
3. Don't have Titan crystals - wait 6 months for the chance to try and pull them

New model:
1. Pulled champion, don't want to pull them anymore - wait 9 months
2. Haven't pulled champion, still want to pull them - have 9 months to try and pull them.*
3. Don't have Titan crystals - wait 9 months for the chance to try and pull them

The problem here is that with the Old model, two player types 'benefit' (6 months isn't that long), while one player type is 'harmed' by the shorter 6 month period. In the New model, two player types are 'harmed' (needing to wait an additional 3 months), while one player type* 'benefits' from the longer period.

*And even there - how much benefit is Player #2 deriving from the extra 3 months? An average player probably doesn't earn enough to open that many more Titan crystals. A typical player can get 2.5k Titan shards from maxing BG objectives 3 times (7.5k Titan shards across that extra 3 months). Monthly, a player probably gets maybe 2k Titan shards from SQ type things, so 6k shards across that 3 months. So that puts this average player at 13.5k out of the 20k shards needed. There are probably other random Titan sources (there will probably be endgame content in that 3 month period that will grant 1 Titan crystal; and high level players can earn more Titan shards from high level competition), but for the average player, they're not opening that much more Titan crystals during that extra 9 months.

Essentially, if a player earns roughly the same amount of Titan crystals across 6 months vs 9 months, then they are not benefiting from this "increased chance of pulling the champion you want" since the volume is not increasing.

So essentially, one player type benefits from the new model, and only certain players within that player type (high earners) can benefit from it.
Again, hoarders are not their main curstomer. Kabam often discourages hoarding, although sometimes rarely they rewarded hoarders. So their main focus is type 2 players

And wym by type 3? Players who don't even opened their first titan? Why should they have to wait? They just have to wait until they form a titan crystal.

While I agree that hoarders aren't their customers, I'm just wondering how large of a proportion of players are in position to be Type 2 players who benefit (of course, these types of players are also likely the players that spend money on the game, so I totally understand if Kabam thinks it is reasonable to cater to them).

Type 3 is essentially a player that earns 7-star shards, but doesn't earn enough Titan shards to open a crystal in that 6-9 month period.

ItsClobberinTime

The faster they bring in old mid champs into the pool, the faster and closer we get to finally getting the Hulklings and the Kates as 7*, that's my thought process at least so I'd rather they just did it every two months like before even though it meant two mid old champs in it.

captain_rogers

You think in the best case. " What is someone pulled nefaria already ". Just hoard. You have the option. But what if someone didn't pull nefaria already. Like me. Now I have more timeframe and better chances at pulling him.
Old model:
1. Pulled champion, don't want to pull them anymore - wait 6 months.
2. Haven't pulled champion, still want to pull them - have 6 months to try and pull them.*
3. Don't have Titan crystals - wait 6 months for the chance to try and pull them

New model:
1. Pulled champion, don't want to pull them anymore - wait 9 months
2. Haven't pulled champion, still want to pull them - have 9 months to try and pull them.*
3. Don't have Titan crystals - wait 9 months for the chance to try and pull them

The problem here is that with the Old model, two player types 'benefit' (6 months isn't that long), while one player type is 'harmed' by the shorter 6 month period. In the New model, two player types are 'harmed' (needing to wait an additional 3 months), while one player type* 'benefits' from the longer period.

*And even there - how much benefit is Player #2 deriving from the extra 3 months? An average player probably doesn't earn enough to open that many more Titan crystals. A typical player can get 2.5k Titan shards from maxing BG objectives 3 times (7.5k Titan shards across that extra 3 months). Monthly, a player probably gets maybe 2k Titan shards from SQ type things, so 6k shards across that 3 months. So that puts this average player at 13.5k out of the 20k shards needed. There are probably other random Titan sources (there will probably be endgame content in that 3 month period that will grant 1 Titan crystal; and high level players can earn more Titan shards from high level competition), but for the average player, they're not opening that much more Titan crystals during that extra 9 months.

Essentially, if a player earns roughly the same amount of Titan crystals across 6 months vs 9 months, then they are not benefiting from this "increased chance of pulling the champion you want" since the volume is not increasing.

So essentially, one player type benefits from the new model, and only certain players within that player type (high earners) can benefit from it.
Again, hoarders are not their main curstomer. Kabam often discourages hoarding, although sometimes rarely they rewarded hoarders. So their main focus is type 2 players

And wym by type 3? Players who don't even opened their first titan? Why should they have to wait? They just have to wait until they form a titan crystal.
While I agree that hoarders aren't their customers, I'm just wondering how large of a proportion of players are in position to be Type 2 players who benefit (of course, these types of players are also likely the players that spend money on the game, so I totally understand if Kabam thinks it is reasonable to cater to them).

Type 3 is essentially a player that earns 7-star shards, but doesn't earn enough Titan shards to open a crystal in that 6-9 month period.

Ah I see. Type 3 is not a consideration, since they can always progress, and if they are already in a level to open multiple 7*s, they likely progress in a time period of 6-9 months.

most players, regardless of whether they spend or ftp, and not hoarders. Crystal opening is unarguably the best thing in the game, that's where most of the fun is. most players hoard ocassionally when it is a necessity. Only very few players hoard by making Ultra complex mathematical calculations to maximize their benefits in a mobile game lol.

Polygon

Hoarding is a personal choice. Kabam discourage hoarding. That's why they increases titan pool change time. Nobody wants to hoard for 9 months unless they are insane. And titan shards are easy to get by nowadays.

Even if you hoard for bastion or Jean Grey there might be duds in next titan as well. Or you could pull rulk. They don't cater to hoarders. They cater to players who actively open crystals. And this change is W for them as you have better chances at pulling a champ.

You think in the best case. " What is someone pulled nefaria already ". Just hoard. You have the option. But what if someone didn't pull nefaria already. Like me. Now I have more timeframe and better chances at pulling him.

The thing is titan shards being easier to get nowadays supports the idea of the cadence being 2 months if you think about it. If we have so much extra time to obtain the Titan champs then most of our shards will just go towards extra sigs or the bad champs of the pool.

You say that Kabam discourages hoarding which you are correct, however Hoarding is a direct result of the cadence being 3 months because people dont want to keep getting the same bad champs or extra sigs, they will hoard for new and exciting pulls.

I have seen wayy more people hoard their Titans after the Cadence became 3 months

Ben_15455

3 months but add 2 more champs. Stronger champs too. Like kingpin Cassie.