Kabam is going to open all our crystal reserves.

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  • SummonerNRSummonerNR Member, Guardian Posts: 14,383 Guardian
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    Outdated Crystals in your inventory

    Some of the decisions made by the game developers do not make sense.

    One example is the automatic opening of outdated crystals, that is, the mandatory opening.

    They claim that the accumulation of crystals in some players' accounts caused the SERVER to slow down or other problems attributed to the accumulation of outdated crystals.

    It is hard to believe this story, because WHY IF THE CRYSTAL CAUSES PROBLEMS ON THE SERVER, WON'T THE PRIZES GENERATED FROM THE ACCUMULATED CRYSTALS CREATE PROBLEMS ON THE SERVER? WHETHER IT IS A CRYSTAL OR A PRIZE, WILL IT NOT TAKE UP MEMORY ON THE SERVER?

    It would be better to clear the server of inactive accounts or accounts that have not been used for more than six months, or to update the players' registration.

    Accumulating crystals that supposedly harm the system makes no sense.

    Doing so takes away the rights that players have earned, either by purchasing the crystals or earning them.

  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 8,564 Guardian

    Pikolu said:

    The problem for summoners is the crystals will put massive amounts of valuable items in overflow. Ie. the boost from war victory crystals.

    Kabam stated the number of unique crystals is the server issue rather then the amount of items in each inventory "slot".

    The solution would be for the number of items to be stored should be increased so that the items would not be lost due to overflow.

    Help us out with a screenshot so we are reminded — what exactly are the valuable resources in those war victory crystals that you’ve been holding onto for so long…?
    I found out that I have 3 types of war victory crystals.




    Here's what a 10 pop of war challenger crystals looks like


    Here's a 10 pop of war victory crystals


    Very valuable resources indeed that I will definitely miss 😭


    Hey that AQ HP pot is enough for 1 parry in raids so you can get the flow started 🤣
    True, although I just buy the glory store potions since nothing else in the glory store entices me. Also allows me to beat the 2nd Jabari on my path without raid revives since I use my free team revives from summoner advancement or whatever it is, and just use 2 l3 potions or 1 l4 potion. Removes the stress of raids, and gives me more full revives for korg and apoc
  • SearmenisSearmenis Member Posts: 1,816 ★★★★★
    edited May 23
    Why don t they just buy more space or something, instead of force opening stuff ppl keep for a reason (like war crystals)? I t s not that they don t have the money to do so.
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 8,564 Guardian
    Searmenis said:

    Why don t they just buy more space or something, instead of force opening stuff ppl keep for a reason (like war crystals)? I t s not that they don t have the money to do so.

    Same energy as why wash the dishes when we can just buy more dishes and a larger sink to put them in.
  • JnacuaJnacua Member Posts: 57
    edited May 24
    Last year there was a realm event for us to open crystals, that also gave us rewards, why is this route not being taken this year. These crystals we obtain/earn/buy are ours. Why Kabam, would you presume you can tell us what you are going to do with our accounts almost like we are on your payroll. If we are not cheating, breaking the rules, or requesting assistance, there should be no infiltrating our accounts without our okay. I mean whats to stop you from just deleting our champs from our rosters when they feel like.
  • JnacuaJnacua Member Posts: 57

    Jnacua said:

    Last year there was a realm event for us to open crystals, that also gave us rewards, why is this route not being taken this year. These crystals we obtain/earn/buy are ours. Why would presume you can tell us what you are going to do with our accounts almost like we are on your payroll. If we are not cheating, breaking the rules, or requesting assistance, there should be no infiltrating our accounts without our okay. I mean whats to stop you from just deleting our champs from our rosters when you feel like.

    People should have opened them back then instead of depending on 1 person to unlock the milestones for us?
    Your talking the final milestone? yes I recall Mr Brian's Sacrifice for our community, a legend of a summoner who will be remembered. We reached the quota back then right? So everything should be on the up and up to do the event again.

    Imagine if the bank told you, you have to much old money saved we are going to have to delete it.

  • TerminatrixTerminatrix Member Posts: 3,874 ★★★★★
    ChiefGoat said:

    Stop crying. Hoarding is a mental issue.

    This might be a TL;DR but....

    as a MCOC hoarder, and as someone who's cleaned hoarder's homes before, I will tell you that it's not always a mental issue. Hoarding in-game resources is different from hoarding in real life.

    The hyper-obsessive and the mental ones are what networks show for views and ratings, and that often leads to misinformation, judgement, and stigma from society. Some real life hoarders do it because of bad childhood experiences such as growing up dirt poor and not having a lot of things. They fear going back to that.

    Some have done it because their "doomsday" prepping got out of hand lol.

    Some became seriously disabled in some way, and could no longer care and clean for themselves. The family and help that they had, turned out to be no help at all.

    Some slipped into a deep mental state and lost interest in things they used to enjoy like cleaning and organizng their homes. Just a few insights for you to think about.


    Now as for MCOC hoarding, many players, like myself, do it to build resources and get into the habit of managing them better. I did this with my gold and some crystal shards. A lot of players, like myself, used to rank champs all of the time, and run out of resources too often. I now have a healthy stash of both in case of emergencies lol.

    Others, like myself, do it to have some nostalgia from the earlier years of the game, which could have been some of their best and most memorable times with completing content, getting certain champs, etc. This is the case for many players who have any crystals on that list.

    Some, like myself, also do it to prepare for whatever wild content, or crystal upgrade Kabam might have in store next.



  • JnacuaJnacua Member Posts: 57

    Jnacua said:

    I mean whats to stop you from just deleting our champs from our rosters when they feel like.

    This is very very very different
    Kabam is not requesting access into peoples accounts to pop crystals, for them, they are telling them this is whats gonna happen.

  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 8,450 ★★★★★
    edited May 24
    Jnacua said:

    Jnacua said:

    Last year there was a realm event for us to open crystals, that also gave us rewards, why is this route not being taken this year. These crystals we obtain/earn/buy are ours. Why would presume you can tell us what you are going to do with our accounts almost like we are on your payroll. If we are not cheating, breaking the rules, or requesting assistance, there should be no infiltrating our accounts without our okay. I mean whats to stop you from just deleting our champs from our rosters when you feel like.

    People should have opened them back then instead of depending on 1 person to unlock the milestones for us?
    Your talking the final milestone? yes I recall Mr Brian's Sacrifice for our community, a legend of a summoner who will be remembered. We reached the quota back then right? So everything should be on the up and up to do the event again.

    Imagine if the bank told you, you have to much old money saved we are going to have to delete it.

    Well maybe if people opened their crystals instead of saving them we wouldn't have needed Bryan .. now they want a 2nd chance?
    L O L
    You don't even seem to understand how a bank works, old money? They have to exchange the "old money" with the federal reserve...
  • JnacuaJnacua Member Posts: 57

    Jnacua said:

    Jnacua said:

    Last year there was a realm event for us to open crystals, that also gave us rewards, why is this route not being taken this year. These crystals we obtain/earn/buy are ours. Why would presume you can tell us what you are going to do with our accounts almost like we are on your payroll. If we are not cheating, breaking the rules, or requesting assistance, there should be no infiltrating our accounts without our okay. I mean whats to stop you from just deleting our champs from our rosters when you feel like.

    People should have opened them back then instead of depending on 1 person to unlock the milestones for us?
    We reached the quota back then right?

    The Crystal Opening quota was not close to being met during that Event
    okay so we did not max the event out without charity, lol, but we were able to obtain some decent rewards for opening crystals regardless. I opened everything I had, I don't have any of the mentioned crystals saved, just a whole bunch of tier 4 class catalyst crystals, however I do know there are some who view collecting crystals just as important as collecting champs. just collectors in general.

  • JnacuaJnacua Member Posts: 57

    Jnacua said:

    Jnacua said:

    Last year there was a realm event for us to open crystals, that also gave us rewards, why is this route not being taken this year. These crystals we obtain/earn/buy are ours. Why would presume you can tell us what you are going to do with our accounts almost like we are on your payroll. If we are not cheating, breaking the rules, or requesting assistance, there should be no infiltrating our accounts without our okay. I mean whats to stop you from just deleting our champs from our rosters when you feel like.

    People should have opened them back then instead of depending on 1 person to unlock the milestones for us?
    Your talking the final milestone? yes I recall Mr Brian's Sacrifice for our community, a legend of a summoner who will be remembered. We reached the quota back then right? So everything should be on the up and up to do the event again.

    Imagine if the bank told you, you have to much old money saved we are going to have to delete it.

    Well maybe if people opened their crystals instead of saving them we wouldn't have needed Bryan .. now they want a 2nd chance?
    L O L
    A second chance?

  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 8,450 ★★★★★
    edited May 24
    Jnacua said:

    Jnacua said:

    Jnacua said:

    Last year there was a realm event for us to open crystals, that also gave us rewards, why is this route not being taken this year. These crystals we obtain/earn/buy are ours. Why would presume you can tell us what you are going to do with our accounts almost like we are on your payroll. If we are not cheating, breaking the rules, or requesting assistance, there should be no infiltrating our accounts without our okay. I mean whats to stop you from just deleting our champs from our rosters when you feel like.

    People should have opened them back then instead of depending on 1 person to unlock the milestones for us?
    Your talking the final milestone? yes I recall Mr Brian's Sacrifice for our community, a legend of a summoner who will be remembered. We reached the quota back then right? So everything should be on the up and up to do the event again.

    Imagine if the bank told you, you have to much old money saved we are going to have to delete it.

    Well maybe if people opened their crystals instead of saving them we wouldn't have needed Bryan .. now they want a 2nd chance?
    L O L
    A second chance?

    Didn't you ask why the route of another realm event wasn't taken this time?.. that's a second chance to open old useless crystals isn't it?
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 2,215 ★★★★★
    Jnacua said:

    Jnacua said:

    I mean whats to stop you from just deleting our champs from our rosters when they feel like.

    This is very very very different
    Kabam is not requesting access into peoples accounts to pop crystals, for them, they are telling them this is whats gonna happen.

    They don't need to request anything lol. The accounts are not owned by people. They are owners by Kabam.
  • JnacuaJnacua Member Posts: 57
    edited May 24

    Jnacua said:

    Jnacua said:

    Jnacua said:

    Last year there was a realm event for us to open crystals, that also gave us rewards, why is this route not being taken this year. These crystals we obtain/earn/buy are ours. Why would presume you can tell us what you are going to do with our accounts almost like we are on your payroll. If we are not cheating, breaking the rules, or requesting assistance, there should be no infiltrating our accounts without our okay. I mean whats to stop you from just deleting our champs from our rosters when you feel like.

    People should have opened them back then instead of depending on 1 person to unlock the milestones for us?
    Your talking the final milestone? yes I recall Mr Brian's Sacrifice for our community, a legend of a summoner who will be remembered. We reached the quota back then right? So everything should be on the up and up to do the event again.

    Imagine if the bank told you, you have to much old money saved we are going to have to delete it.

    Well maybe if people opened their crystals instead of saving them we wouldn't have needed Bryan .. now they want a 2nd chance?
    L O L
    A second chance?

    Didn't you ask why the route of another realm event wasn't taken this time?.. that's a second chance to open old useless crystals isn't it?
    No it would be a yearly thing kind of like how Heart of Fire was another Omega Days.

  • JnacuaJnacua Member Posts: 57

    Jnacua said:

    Jnacua said:

    I mean whats to stop you from just deleting our champs from our rosters when they feel like.

    This is very very very different
    Kabam is not requesting access into peoples accounts to pop crystals, for them, they are telling them this is whats gonna happen.

    They don't need to request anything lol. The accounts are not owned by people. They are owners by Kabam.
    So your telling me a crystal you may have purchased with real money belongs to Kabam?


  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 8,450 ★★★★★
    Jnacua said:

    Jnacua said:

    Jnacua said:

    Jnacua said:

    Last year there was a realm event for us to open crystals, that also gave us rewards, why is this route not being taken this year. These crystals we obtain/earn/buy are ours. Why would presume you can tell us what you are going to do with our accounts almost like we are on your payroll. If we are not cheating, breaking the rules, or requesting assistance, there should be no infiltrating our accounts without our okay. I mean whats to stop you from just deleting our champs from our rosters when you feel like.

    People should have opened them back then instead of depending on 1 person to unlock the milestones for us?
    Your talking the final milestone? yes I recall Mr Brian's Sacrifice for our community, a legend of a summoner who will be remembered. We reached the quota back then right? So everything should be on the up and up to do the event again.

    Imagine if the bank told you, you have to much old money saved we are going to have to delete it.

    Well maybe if people opened their crystals instead of saving them we wouldn't have needed Bryan .. now they want a 2nd chance?
    L O L
    A second chance?

    Didn't you ask why the route of another realm event wasn't taken this time?.. that's a second chance to open old useless crystals isn't it?
    No it would be a yearly thing kind of like how Heart of Fire was an another Omega Days.

    ...they didn't go all out on 1 previous event, why would they now?
  • TerminatrixTerminatrix Member Posts: 3,874 ★★★★★
    DNA3000 said:

    This is about trimming down the database - if they can get rid of every crystal of a certain kind then they can entirely remove it from the database. That's the claim, anyway.

    Kinda.

    For every crystal type, the game has to keep track of how many of that crystal each player has. Even if a player doesn’t have that crystal, the game still has to track the fact they have zero. If you have a thousand crystals and a million players, that’s a billion numbers you have to keep track of. And in fact, it’s probably a hundred million players and a hundred billion numbers, because it has to keep track of those numbers for every account ever created, not just who’s playing now, since those players could come back. If the account is there, even if the last time they logged in was 2871 days ago, the game still has to store the fact that that account has zero GMCs for an event that took place in September of 2018. This makes the data the game servers need to store grow a lot, and it slows down everything. Moreover, every time someone starts up the game, the servers have to find that data and send it to that player for their account, which means the more crystals that exist the more data has to be sent to the game clients. Even if the player owns only a thousand crystals of forty different types, they still have to be sent the other ten thousand zeros for all the other crystals.

    However, if at any moment in time exactly zero players owns a crystal, Kabam can theoretically purge the game of all that data. They can delete the graphics for the crystal, the crystal vault banners, the text descriptions, the drop tables, all that stuff that takes up space not just in the game but also on the developer PCs. Every time a dev makes an update to the game, that’s a bunch of stuff that doesn”t have to get uploaded and resynced with the game servers. And within the databases of the game, that’s space that can be reused. For efficiency purposes, they might try to reclaim that space, or they could just reuse it for a new crystal. Crystal #21781 that used to be the Supernova crystal can now simply be renamed to be the featured Valiant crystal for September or something, and in effect that new crystal takes up no (new) space.

    The two kinds of savings that the crystal clean ups end up delivering are a) the game databases that track account information either get smaller, or at least they are prevented from getting bigger which makes the game run better overall and b) the resources within the game files are reduced, which means managing and updating the game becomes faster and smoother on the developer side and the game client size can be reduced in some cases (depending on whether those resources are packaged into the client or dynamically loaded) which benefits the players downloading or updating the game in the long run.


    Note: often someone mentions things like sparse databases and NoSQL in these discussions. Keep in mind the game launched in 2014, its back end was probably built in 2012, and was written for a mobile game that was probably not foreseen to have hundreds of millions of game accounts tracking tens of thousands of crystals. They would likely have been targeting speed efficiency and not space efficiency, and the tools available were much more limited in scope back then. Today we have things like Spanner in Google Games Cloud, but back then large MMOs were often still using relational databases broken up into server shards. MCOC does not have shards (at least not in game play terms).
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    DNA3000 said:

    This is about trimming down the database - if they can get rid of every crystal of a certain kind then they can entirely remove it from the database. That's the claim, anyway.

    Kinda.

    For every crystal type, the game has to keep track of how many of that crystal each player has. Even if a player doesn’t have that crystal, the game still has to track the fact they have zero. If you have a thousand crystals and a million players, that’s a billion numbers you have to keep track of. And in fact, it’s probably a hundred million players and a hundred billion numbers, because it has to keep track of those numbers for every account ever created, not just who’s playing now, since those players could come back. If the account is there, even if the last time they logged in was 2871 days ago, the game still has to store the fact that that account has zero GMCs for an event that took place in September of 2018. This makes the data the game servers need to store grow a lot, and it slows down everything. Moreover, every time someone starts up the game, the servers have to find that data and send it to that player for their account, which means the more crystals that exist the more data has to be sent to the game clients. Even if the player owns only a thousand crystals of forty different types, they still have to be sent the other ten thousand zeros for all the other crystals.

    However, if at any moment in time exactly zero players owns a crystal, Kabam can theoretically purge the game of all that data. They can delete the graphics for the crystal, the crystal vault banners, the text descriptions, the drop tables, all that stuff that takes up space not just in the game but also on the developer PCs. Every time a dev makes an update to the game, that’s a bunch of stuff that doesn”t have to get uploaded and resynced with the game servers. And within the databases of the game, that’s space that can be reused. For efficiency purposes, they might try to reclaim that space, or they could just reuse it for a new crystal. Crystal #21781 that used to be the Supernova crystal can now simply be renamed to be the featured Valiant crystal for September or something, and in effect that new crystal takes up no (new) space.

    The two kinds of savings that the crystal clean ups end up delivering are a) the game databases that track account information either get smaller, or at least they are prevented from getting bigger which makes the game run better overall and b) the resources within the game files are reduced, which means managing and updating the game becomes faster and smoother on the developer side and the game client size can be reduced in some cases (depending on whether those resources are packaged into the client or dynamically loaded) which benefits the players downloading or updating the game in the long run.


    Note: often someone mentions things like sparse databases and NoSQL in these discussions. Keep in mind the game launched in 2014, its back end was probably built in 2012, and was written for a mobile game that was probably not foreseen to have hundreds of millions of game accounts tracking tens of thousands of crystals. They would likely have been targeting speed efficiency and not space efficiency, and the tools available were much more limited in scope back then. Today we have things like Spanner in Google Games Cloud, but back then large MMOs were often still using relational databases broken up into server shards. MCOC does not have shards (at least not in game play terms).
    This was very informative and a good read. Great write up DNA 👊🏾
  • JnacuaJnacua Member Posts: 57

    Jnacua said:

    Jnacua said:

    Jnacua said:

    Jnacua said:

    Last year there was a realm event for us to open crystals, that also gave us rewards, why is this route not being taken this year. These crystals we obtain/earn/buy are ours. Why would presume you can tell us what you are going to do with our accounts almost like we are on your payroll. If we are not cheating, breaking the rules, or requesting assistance, there should be no infiltrating our accounts without our okay. I mean whats to stop you from just deleting our champs from our rosters when you feel like.

    People should have opened them back then instead of depending on 1 person to unlock the milestones for us?
    Your talking the final milestone? yes I recall Mr Brian's Sacrifice for our community, a legend of a summoner who will be remembered. We reached the quota back then right? So everything should be on the up and up to do the event again.

    Imagine if the bank told you, you have to much old money saved we are going to have to delete it.

    Well maybe if people opened their crystals instead of saving them we wouldn't have needed Bryan .. now they want a 2nd chance?
    L O L
    A second chance?

    Didn't you ask why the route of another realm event wasn't taken this time?.. that's a second chance to open old useless crystals isn't it?
    No it would be a yearly thing kind of like how Heart of Fire was an another Omega Days.

    ...they didn't go all out on 1 previous event, why would they now?
    I don't know people are unpredictable.

  • JnacuaJnacua Member Posts: 57
    Copy that @Average_Desi, I see your point. Thank you for the info, this will make me think long and hard when tempted to spend,
  • JnacuaJnacua Member Posts: 57
    edited May 24

    Jnacua said:

    Copy that @Average_Desi, I see your point. Thank you for the info, this will make me think long and hard when tempted to spend,

    If you decide not to spend, make sure that you still come on the forums and complain as if Kabam owes you something.
    Why cause you don't spend and do that? I still believe this should have been another crystal opening event. If you don't that's your opinion.


  • JnacuaJnacua Member Posts: 57
    edited May 24

    Jnacua said:

    Copy that @Average_Desi, I see your point. Thank you for the info, this will make me think long and hard when tempted to spend,

    Think of watching a movie or a ride. Yes you get to enjoy it, but you don't own any of it afterwards. Similarly, you can buy crystals and have fun with the game. That's it.
    I agree.


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