I don’t understand, shouldn’t players think from the perspective of other players?

So what if they use other unofficial clients? They also don't use cheats, don't violate other rules, and play games seriously. Why can't some players on this forum have some empathy and try to understand the distress and confusion of the banned players?

Do you have to say something that would make the person whose account was banned feel even more uncomfortable?

It’s not just the accounts that are banned, isn’t it also their youth that is banned?

Don't you have any allies? If your allies are banned for no reason, won't you be anxious? Don't you have sympathy?

Comments

Abspain101

We don’t know — and can’t know — if someone using an unofficial client is actively cheating or not. If there’s a possibility they’re modding and they’re already violating ToS by using the wrong client, then Kabam has to act in the best interest of the game. I feel bad for someone who lives in a region where they are only able to access the game through unorthodox means. But it is what it is.
Just to amplify this a bit, a lot of people don't fully appreciate why Kabam very strictly prohibits things like the use of emulated environments or unofficial game clients. The reason why is because once you allow players to play on environments you do not control or do not have a complete understanding of, you can't trust anything that happens anymore. Even if you build anti-cheat capabilities into the client, you can't trust what they say if the game runs in an emulated environment where the player theoretically has the ability to control anything the game client sees or does. Ditto if the game client has been altered in any way.

When someone says they should only ban people when they actually cheat, that's like saying banks should allow people to wander around in the bank vaults and teller stations, sift through the cash, and only stop them if they actually try to leave with money in their pockets. That's asking for too much. They have to stop players from using tools that make it extremely difficult to catch cheating, even if those players aren't cheating. There's no way to be certain those players aren't cheating, and we can't just take their word for it.

I do in fact have sympathy for players who side load the game because circumstances make it impossible for them to download through authorized channels. However, it is also important to note that Kabam didn't just straight up ban everyone. According to their announcement, a bunch of people were banned permanently. Some were temporarily banned and/or given warnings. Players have come forward to state they were either perma banned or temp banned, so we know both kinds of bans went out. This wasn't done randomly. Some players who were using these unauthorized clients drew warnings or short term bans. The rest got perma banned. There's likely to be a very good reason Kabam had for deciding which players were permanently kicked. It wasn't just for side loading the game client.
Since you also said that you sympathize with those who can only use unofficial channels to download the client, some people are only banned for 7 days, and then what? After the ban is unblocked, he still cannot download the client from the official channel, so what is the difference between this ban and a permanent ban? What is the meaning of your sympathy? Have you really considered them?

So question since you are so obviously passionate about this what do you think should happen

SlayerOfGods

Can we close this one now? It's pretty clear this won't go anywhere.

Ericson23

We don’t know — and can’t know — if someone using an unofficial client is actively cheating or not. If there’s a possibility they’re modding and they’re already violating ToS by using the wrong client, then Kabam has to act in the best interest of the game. I feel bad for someone who lives in a region where they are only able to access the game through unorthodox means. But it is what it is.
Just to amplify this a bit, a lot of people don't fully appreciate why Kabam very strictly prohibits things like the use of emulated environments or unofficial game clients. The reason why is because once you allow players to play on environments you do not control or do not have a complete understanding of, you can't trust anything that happens anymore. Even if you build anti-cheat capabilities into the client, you can't trust what they say if the game runs in an emulated environment where the player theoretically has the ability to control anything the game client sees or does. Ditto if the game client has been altered in any way.

When someone says they should only ban people when they actually cheat, that's like saying banks should allow people to wander around in the bank vaults and teller stations, sift through the cash, and only stop them if they actually try to leave with money in their pockets. That's asking for too much. They have to stop players from using tools that make it extremely difficult to catch cheating, even if those players aren't cheating. There's no way to be certain those players aren't cheating, and we can't just take their word for it.

I do in fact have sympathy for players who side load the game because circumstances make it impossible for them to download through authorized channels. However, it is also important to note that Kabam didn't just straight up ban everyone. According to their announcement, a bunch of people were banned permanently. Some were temporarily banned and/or given warnings. Players have come forward to state they were either perma banned or temp banned, so we know both kinds of bans went out. This wasn't done randomly. Some players who were using these unauthorized clients drew warnings or short term bans. The rest got perma banned. There's likely to be a very good reason Kabam had for deciding which players were permanently kicked. It wasn't just for side loading the game client.
Since you also said that you sympathize with those who can only use unofficial channels to download the client, some people are only banned for 7 days, and then what? After the ban is unblocked, he still cannot download the client from the official channel, so what is the difference between this ban and a permanent ban? What is the meaning of your sympathy? Have you really considered them?
I said I sympathize with them and I do. But that doesn’t mean I would allow them to continue to do things that would create an environment where Kabam would be unable to enforce anti-cheat mechanisms. I believe people should be allowed to play the game as long as they are willing to do so fairly, and I also believe Kabam should be allowed to enforce its anti-cheating policies across the playerbase to reduce or eliminate bad behavior. In this case we can only pick one, because they are mutually exclusive under the current circumstances. Of the two, the one I would side with is the latter.

If there was a way to restore those people’s access to the game that did not compromise the game, I would advocate for it. But I cannot think of a practical option.

The second paragraph of your statement at least showed me your sincerity. So I am still asking you as before, in your opinion, if those who were only banned for 7 days log in to the game as before after being unbanned, what will they face?

To those who always attack me personally: I’m here for my friends, not to challenge authority. As a small MCOC guide maker, they are looking forward to me sharing more progress on this ban wave. I have personally contributed to this gaming community and I am not the unreasonable person you think I am.

BringPopcorn

We don’t know — and can’t know — if someone using an unofficial client is actively cheating or not. If there’s a possibility they’re modding and they’re already violating ToS by using the wrong client, then Kabam has to act in the best interest of the game. I feel bad for someone who lives in a region where they are only able to access the game through unorthodox means. But it is what it is.
Just to amplify this a bit, a lot of people don't fully appreciate why Kabam very strictly prohibits things like the use of emulated environments or unofficial game clients. The reason why is because once you allow players to play on environments you do not control or do not have a complete understanding of, you can't trust anything that happens anymore. Even if you build anti-cheat capabilities into the client, you can't trust what they say if the game runs in an emulated environment where the player theoretically has the ability to control anything the game client sees or does. Ditto if the game client has been altered in any way.

When someone says they should only ban people when they actually cheat, that's like saying banks should allow people to wander around in the bank vaults and teller stations, sift through the cash, and only stop them if they actually try to leave with money in their pockets. That's asking for too much. They have to stop players from using tools that make it extremely difficult to catch cheating, even if those players aren't cheating. There's no way to be certain those players aren't cheating, and we can't just take their word for it.

I do in fact have sympathy for players who side load the game because circumstances make it impossible for them to download through authorized channels. However, it is also important to note that Kabam didn't just straight up ban everyone. According to their announcement, a bunch of people were banned permanently. Some were temporarily banned and/or given warnings. Players have come forward to state they were either perma banned or temp banned, so we know both kinds of bans went out. This wasn't done randomly. Some players who were using these unauthorized clients drew warnings or short term bans. The rest got perma banned. There's likely to be a very good reason Kabam had for deciding which players were permanently kicked. It wasn't just for side loading the game client.
Since you also said that you sympathize with those who can only use unofficial channels to download the client, some people are only banned for 7 days, and then what? After the ban is unblocked, he still cannot download the client from the official channel, so what is the difference between this ban and a permanent ban? What is the meaning of your sympathy? Have you really considered them?
I said I sympathize with them and I do. But that doesn’t mean I would allow them to continue to do things that would create an environment where Kabam would be unable to enforce anti-cheat mechanisms. I believe people should be allowed to play the game as long as they are willing to do so fairly, and I also believe Kabam should be allowed to enforce its anti-cheating policies across the playerbase to reduce or eliminate bad behavior. In this case we can only pick one, because they are mutually exclusive under the current circumstances. Of the two, the one I would side with is the latter.

If there was a way to restore those people’s access to the game that did not compromise the game, I would advocate for it. But I cannot think of a practical option.
The second paragraph of your statement at least showed me your sincerity. So I am still asking you as before, in your opinion, if those who were only banned for 7 days log in to the game as before after being unbanned, what will they face?

To those who always attack me personally: I’m here for my friends, not to challenge authority. As a small MCOC guide maker, they are looking forward to me sharing more progress on this ban wave. I have personally contributed to this gaming community and I am not the unreasonable person you think I am.

You are measuring a person's sincerity, sorry if I doubt that type of info is going to help any of your friends.

DNA3000

We don’t know — and can’t know — if someone using an unofficial client is actively cheating or not. If there’s a possibility they’re modding and they’re already violating ToS by using the wrong client, then Kabam has to act in the best interest of the game. I feel bad for someone who lives in a region where they are only able to access the game through unorthodox means. But it is what it is.
Just to amplify this a bit, a lot of people don't fully appreciate why Kabam very strictly prohibits things like the use of emulated environments or unofficial game clients. The reason why is because once you allow players to play on environments you do not control or do not have a complete understanding of, you can't trust anything that happens anymore. Even if you build anti-cheat capabilities into the client, you can't trust what they say if the game runs in an emulated environment where the player theoretically has the ability to control anything the game client sees or does. Ditto if the game client has been altered in any way.

When someone says they should only ban people when they actually cheat, that's like saying banks should allow people to wander around in the bank vaults and teller stations, sift through the cash, and only stop them if they actually try to leave with money in their pockets. That's asking for too much. They have to stop players from using tools that make it extremely difficult to catch cheating, even if those players aren't cheating. There's no way to be certain those players aren't cheating, and we can't just take their word for it.

I do in fact have sympathy for players who side load the game because circumstances make it impossible for them to download through authorized channels. However, it is also important to note that Kabam didn't just straight up ban everyone. According to their announcement, a bunch of people were banned permanently. Some were temporarily banned and/or given warnings. Players have come forward to state they were either perma banned or temp banned, so we know both kinds of bans went out. This wasn't done randomly. Some players who were using these unauthorized clients drew warnings or short term bans. The rest got perma banned. There's likely to be a very good reason Kabam had for deciding which players were permanently kicked. It wasn't just for side loading the game client.
Since you also said that you sympathize with those who can only use unofficial channels to download the client, some people are only banned for 7 days, and then what? After the ban is unblocked, he still cannot download the client from the official channel, so what is the difference between this ban and a permanent ban? What is the meaning of your sympathy? Have you really considered them?
I said I sympathize with them and I do. But that doesn’t mean I would allow them to continue to do things that would create an environment where Kabam would be unable to enforce anti-cheat mechanisms. I believe people should be allowed to play the game as long as they are willing to do so fairly, and I also believe Kabam should be allowed to enforce its anti-cheating policies across the playerbase to reduce or eliminate bad behavior. In this case we can only pick one, because they are mutually exclusive under the current circumstances. Of the two, the one I would side with is the latter.

If there was a way to restore those people’s access to the game that did not compromise the game, I would advocate for it. But I cannot think of a practical option.
The second paragraph of your statement at least showed me your sincerity. So I am still asking you as before, in your opinion, if those who were only banned for 7 days log in to the game as before after being unbanned, what will they face?.

If they continue to use unauthorized game clients, I am pretty sure they will next draw a permanent ban. They will need to find a way to play using game clients installed from the Apple App Store directly, the Google Play store directly, the Kabam website download link, Steam, or (according to Crashed) Flexion distribution sites. Anything else risks being flagged and banned.

FishSkin

We don’t know — and can’t know — if someone using an unofficial client is actively cheating or not. If there’s a possibility they’re modding and they’re already violating ToS by using the wrong client, then Kabam has to act in the best interest of the game. I feel bad for someone who lives in a region where they are only able to access the game through unorthodox means. But it is what it is.
Just to amplify this a bit, a lot of people don't fully appreciate why Kabam very strictly prohibits things like the use of emulated environments or unofficial game clients. The reason why is because once you allow players to play on environments you do not control or do not have a complete understanding of, you can't trust anything that happens anymore. Even if you build anti-cheat capabilities into the client, you can't trust what they say if the game runs in an emulated environment where the player theoretically has the ability to control anything the game client sees or does. Ditto if the game client has been altered in any way.

When someone says they should only ban people when they actually cheat, that's like saying banks should allow people to wander around in the bank vaults and teller stations, sift through the cash, and only stop them if they actually try to leave with money in their pockets. That's asking for too much. They have to stop players from using tools that make it extremely difficult to catch cheating, even if those players aren't cheating. There's no way to be certain those players aren't cheating, and we can't just take their word for it.

I do in fact have sympathy for players who side load the game because circumstances make it impossible for them to download through authorized channels. However, it is also important to note that Kabam didn't just straight up ban everyone. According to their announcement, a bunch of people were banned permanently. Some were temporarily banned and/or given warnings. Players have come forward to state they were either perma banned or temp banned, so we know both kinds of bans went out. This wasn't done randomly. Some players who were using these unauthorized clients drew warnings or short term bans. The rest got perma banned. There's likely to be a very good reason Kabam had for deciding which players were permanently kicked. It wasn't just for side loading the game client.
Since you also said that you sympathize with those who can only use unofficial channels to download the client, some people are only banned for 7 days, and then what? After the ban is unblocked, he still cannot download the client from the official channel, so what is the difference between this ban and a permanent ban? What is the meaning of your sympathy? Have you really considered them?
I said I sympathize with them and I do. But that doesn’t mean I would allow them to continue to do things that would create an environment where Kabam would be unable to enforce anti-cheat mechanisms. I believe people should be allowed to play the game as long as they are willing to do so fairly, and I also believe Kabam should be allowed to enforce its anti-cheating policies across the playerbase to reduce or eliminate bad behavior. In this case we can only pick one, because they are mutually exclusive under the current circumstances. Of the two, the one I would side with is the latter.

If there was a way to restore those people’s access to the game that did not compromise the game, I would advocate for it. But I cannot think of a practical option.
The second paragraph of your statement at least showed me your sincerity. So I am still asking you as before, in your opinion, if those who were only banned for 7 days log in to the game as before after being unbanned, what will they face?

To those who always attack me personally: I’m here for my friends, not to challenge authority. As a small MCOC guide maker, they are looking forward to me sharing more progress on this ban wave. I have personally contributed to this gaming community and I am not the unreasonable person you think I am.

This is becoming quite circular.

And believe it or not, you are challenging authority.

Kabam, the authority, has laid down their stance. You are repeatedly challenging that stance - arguably demanding people side with you. Which is quite unreasonable, in my view.

The way to help your friends here, is to help them find a way to play the game through an authorised channel.

Pikolu

Can we close this one now? It's pretty clear this won't go anywhere.

If it still has gone nowhere by morning, then I'll close it. It has some potential rn imo

SlayerOfGods

Can we close this one now? It's pretty clear this won't go anywhere.
It has some potential rn imo

Only because of DNA lol

Champion24

Can we close this one now? It's pretty clear this won't go anywhere.
If it still has gone nowhere by morning, then I'll close it. It has some potential rn imo

It was going no where the moment the thread was created lol

Will3808

I really want to make an analogy now. For example, some people go to a certain place to reclaim wasteland, slowly build houses, create gardens, and vegetable plots. After a few years, someone suddenly comes and flattens everything. Do you understand what I am saying?

Except in your analogy, they purchased the wasteland from someone who didn’t own it in the first place, so they aren’t legally working on it.

altavista

So what if they use other unofficial clients? They also don't use cheats, don't violate other rules, and play games seriously. Why can't some players on this forum have some empathy and try to understand the distress and confusion of the banned players?

Do you have to say something that would make the person whose account was banned feel even more uncomfortable?

It’s not just the accounts that are banned, isn’t it also their youth that is banned?

Don't you have any allies? If your allies are banned for no reason, won't you be anxious? Don't you have sympathy?

For your question (bolded): So what? Its against the rules even if it doesn't provide any advantage for that player. I don't know what is so hard to understand about the aspect of things. I'm not gonna complain about "No shirt, no shoes, no service" because I don't think it offends anybody; I accept that that is the rule set up by the restaurant.

For your question (italicized): Sure, some forum posters could do with a little less snark and a little more "nice" words. But, the title of your post is asking other players to think about it from the "victim's" POV - you also need to think about it from the "Non-victim's" POV:

A Victim's post always says three things: I've done nothing wrong, I'm a loyal customer, Kabam is wrong.
A non-Victim's post always points out: They've broken to ToS, loyalty has nothing to do with it, Kabam is within their authority.
A Victim's response usually states: I've done nothing wrong, I'm a loyal customer, Kabam is wrong.

After 20+ posts by different "Victims" where pointing out facts gets nowhere, you (a Victim) have to understand that non-Victims will lose their patience for kind words and move over to making jokes.

Ericson23

We don’t know — and can’t know — if someone using an unofficial client is actively cheating or not. If there’s a possibility they’re modding and they’re already violating ToS by using the wrong client, then Kabam has to act in the best interest of the game. I feel bad for someone who lives in a region where they are only able to access the game through unorthodox means. But it is what it is.
Just to amplify this a bit, a lot of people don't fully appreciate why Kabam very strictly prohibits things like the use of emulated environments or unofficial game clients. The reason why is because once you allow players to play on environments you do not control or do not have a complete understanding of, you can't trust anything that happens anymore. Even if you build anti-cheat capabilities into the client, you can't trust what they say if the game runs in an emulated environment where the player theoretically has the ability to control anything the game client sees or does. Ditto if the game client has been altered in any way.

When someone says they should only ban people when they actually cheat, that's like saying banks should allow people to wander around in the bank vaults and teller stations, sift through the cash, and only stop them if they actually try to leave with money in their pockets. That's asking for too much. They have to stop players from using tools that make it extremely difficult to catch cheating, even if those players aren't cheating. There's no way to be certain those players aren't cheating, and we can't just take their word for it.

I do in fact have sympathy for players who side load the game because circumstances make it impossible for them to download through authorized channels. However, it is also important to note that Kabam didn't just straight up ban everyone. According to their announcement, a bunch of people were banned permanently. Some were temporarily banned and/or given warnings. Players have come forward to state they were either perma banned or temp banned, so we know both kinds of bans went out. This wasn't done randomly. Some players who were using these unauthorized clients drew warnings or short term bans. The rest got perma banned. There's likely to be a very good reason Kabam had for deciding which players were permanently kicked. It wasn't just for side loading the game client.
Since you also said that you sympathize with those who can only use unofficial channels to download the client, some people are only banned for 7 days, and then what? After the ban is unblocked, he still cannot download the client from the official channel, so what is the difference between this ban and a permanent ban? What is the meaning of your sympathy? Have you really considered them?
I said I sympathize with them and I do. But that doesn’t mean I would allow them to continue to do things that would create an environment where Kabam would be unable to enforce anti-cheat mechanisms. I believe people should be allowed to play the game as long as they are willing to do so fairly, and I also believe Kabam should be allowed to enforce its anti-cheating policies across the playerbase to reduce or eliminate bad behavior. In this case we can only pick one, because they are mutually exclusive under the current circumstances. Of the two, the one I would side with is the latter.

If there was a way to restore those people’s access to the game that did not compromise the game, I would advocate for it. But I cannot think of a practical option.
The second paragraph of your statement at least showed me your sincerity. So I am still asking you as before, in your opinion, if those who were only banned for 7 days log in to the game as before after being unbanned, what will they face?

To those who always attack me personally: I’m here for my friends, not to challenge authority. As a small MCOC guide maker, they are looking forward to me sharing more progress on this ban wave. I have personally contributed to this gaming community and I am not the unreasonable person you think I am.
This is becoming quite circular.

And believe it or not, you are challenging authority.

Kabam, the authority, has laid down their stance. You are repeatedly challenging that stance - arguably demanding people side with you. Which is quite unreasonable, in my view.

The way to help your friends here, is to help them find a way to play the game through an authorised channel.

How can I challenge authority? My friend's account has been banned by Kabam. When I speak up for my friends on the forum, I am often attacked by others. Some posts have even been closed. What ability do I have to challenge authority? In addition to arguing with reason, what else can I do? In addition to speaking a few words for those friends who have played with us for many years, what else can I do? Don't you have friends? When your friends are in trouble, don't you lend a hand to help them?

Beewee

Everyone is kinda exhausted seeing people cheat on a mobile game they play casually. I think everyone is exhausted of seeing these same posts, hence why you're not going to get empathy here. If you genuinely believe its an unfair ban go to support because people will not help you here.

FunnyDude

Everyone is kinda exhausted seeing people cheat on a mobile game they play casually. I think everyone is exhausted of seeing these same posts, hence why you're not going to get empathy here. If you genuinely believe its an unfair ban go to support because people will not help you here.

Wrong, making a big noise to get more attention is the point of having forum

Ericson23

People here keep saying that you violated the rules by using a third-party download channel. Doesn't Kabam's direct banning of game accounts infringe on the legitimate rights of players? Has Kabam really estimated how many negative consequences will be after banning a large number of players who did not use cheating software but only used third-party download channels?

After this incident, these situations will occur in the future. These are not threats, but reasonable inferences.
1. More people who play normal games leave because their friends' accounts are banned;
2. After being disappointed, the banned people start to abuse constantly;
3. People who didn't choose to use cheating software before are now using it to retaliate. Sure, you can continue to ban these people, but in the meantime, isn't this a very bad gaming experience for other players who are still playing the game seriously and following the rules?
4. If some of them have connections and money, they will even find hackers for more advanced revenge. Isn't this a damage to the entire community?
5. Maybe more, who knows.

Once again, this is not what I intend to do, it is just the subsequent ripple effect I can think of. Because many people do not understand what Kabam is saying now, they think they are innocent and cannot accept this sudden ban. Don't they need to find an outlet to vent their emotions?

I am not saying this to encourage confrontation, on the contrary I am very much against confrontation. But from my observation, those who have been blocked are now very frustrated, upset, and even angry. I cannot ignore their messages in our community.

Let me reiterate that the above is not what I intend to do. What I have always wanted to do is just to hope that Kabam's management will think carefully about this ban decision and think about whether there is still room for maneuver, so as not to make both sides lose.

ahmynuts

People here keep saying that you violated the rules by using a third-party download channel. Doesn't Kabam's direct banning of game accounts infringe on the legitimate rights of players? Has Kabam really estimated how many negative consequences will be after banning a large number of players who did not use cheating software but only used third-party download channels?

After this incident, these situations will occur in the future. These are not threats, but reasonable inferences.
1. More people who play normal games leave because their friends' accounts are banned;
2. After being disappointed, the banned people start to abuse constantly;
3. People who didn't choose to use cheating software before are now using it to retaliate. Sure, you can continue to ban these people, but in the meantime, isn't this a very bad gaming experience for other players who are still playing the game seriously and following the rules?
4. If some of them have connections and money, they will even find hackers for more advanced revenge. Isn't this a damage to the entire community?
5. Maybe more, who knows.

Once again, this is not what I intend to do, it is just the subsequent ripple effect I can think of. Because many people do not understand what Kabam is saying now, they think they are innocent and cannot accept this sudden ban. Don't they need to find an outlet to vent their emotions?

I am not saying this to encourage confrontation, on the contrary I am very much against confrontation. But from my observation, those who have been blocked are now very frustrated, upset, and even angry. I cannot ignore their messages in our community.

Let me reiterate that the above is not what I intend to do. What I have always wanted to do is just to hope that Kabam's management will think carefully about this ban decision and think about whether there is still room for maneuver, so as not to make both sides lose.

No you dumb barnacle on the underside of a rotting canoe.
Kabam can do whatever they want. Something you would understand if
1. Your IQ was even a double digit that started with anything but a 2.
2. You read the TOS which I assume you can't based on all your incoherent baboon screeching.
3. Could comprehend anything any single person has directly said to you over the past few days

MrSakuragi

People here keep saying that you violated the rules by using a third-party download channel. Doesn't Kabam's direct banning of game accounts infringe on the legitimate rights of players? Has Kabam really estimated how many negative consequences will be after banning a large number of players who did not use cheating software but only used third-party download channels?

After this incident, these situations will occur in the future. These are not threats, but reasonable inferences.
1. More people who play normal games leave because their friends' accounts are banned;
2. After being disappointed, the banned people start to abuse constantly;
3. People who didn't choose to use cheating software before are now using it to retaliate. Sure, you can continue to ban these people, but in the meantime, isn't this a very bad gaming experience for other players who are still playing the game seriously and following the rules?
4. If some of them have connections and money, they will even find hackers for more advanced revenge. Isn't this a damage to the entire community?
5. Maybe more, who knows.

Once again, this is not what I intend to do, it is just the subsequent ripple effect I can think of. Because many people do not understand what Kabam is saying now, they think they are innocent and cannot accept this sudden ban. Don't they need to find an outlet to vent their emotions?

I am not saying this to encourage confrontation, on the contrary I am very much against confrontation. But from my observation, those who have been blocked are now very frustrated, upset, and even angry. I cannot ignore their messages in our community.

Let me reiterate that the above is not what I intend to do. What I have always wanted to do is just to hope that Kabam's management will think carefully about this ban decision and think about whether there is still room for maneuver, so as not to make both sides lose.

What rights do you think players have? The terms of service that are agreed to by all players defines that all accounts belong to Kabam and licensed to you and not sold. They can suspend/discontinue the services at any time without notice.

Buttehrs

People here keep saying that you violated the rules by using a third-party download channel. Doesn't Kabam's direct banning of game accounts infringe on the legitimate rights of players? Has Kabam really estimated how many negative consequences will be after banning a large number of players who did not use cheating software but only used third-party download channels?

After this incident, these situations will occur in the future. These are not threats, but reasonable inferences.
1. More people who play normal games leave because their friends' accounts are banned;
2. After being disappointed, the banned people start to abuse constantly;
3. People who didn't choose to use cheating software before are now using it to retaliate. Sure, you can continue to ban these people, but in the meantime, isn't this a very bad gaming experience for other players who are still playing the game seriously and following the rules?
4. If some of them have connections and money, they will even find hackers for more advanced revenge. Isn't this a damage to the entire community?
5. Maybe more, who knows.

Once again, this is not what I intend to do, it is just the subsequent ripple effect I can think of. Because many people do not understand what Kabam is saying now, they think they are innocent and cannot accept this sudden ban. Don't they need to find an outlet to vent their emotions?

I am not saying this to encourage confrontation, on the contrary I am very much against confrontation. But from my observation, those who have been blocked are now very frustrated, upset, and even angry. I cannot ignore their messages in our community.

Let me reiterate that the above is not what I intend to do. What I have always wanted to do is just to hope that Kabam's management will think carefully about this ban decision and think about whether there is still room for maneuver, so as not to make both sides lose.

Kabam can do absolutely whatever they want with anyone's account. YOU DO NOT OWN IT. You'd know that if you understood the ToS. They own everything. All of it. They can ban you whenever they feel like it. They can shut the game down whenever they feel like it. You can do absolutely nothing. NOTHING.

Mixtapevol02

None of the points you stated, makes any sense but rather proving that you are actually a cheater. You have gone over your head. Go out, makes some friends and play tag or something.

altavista

People here keep saying that you violated the rules by using a third-party download channel. Doesn't Kabam's direct banning of game accounts infringe on the legitimate rights of players? Has Kabam really estimated how many negative consequences will be after banning a large number of players who did not use cheating software but only used third-party download channels?

After this incident, these situations will occur in the future. These are not threats, but reasonable inferences.
1. More people who play normal games leave because their friends' accounts are banned;
2. After being disappointed, the banned people start to abuse constantly;
3. People who didn't choose to use cheating software before are now using it to retaliate. Sure, you can continue to ban these people, but in the meantime, isn't this a very bad gaming experience for other players who are still playing the game seriously and following the rules?
4. If some of them have connections and money, they will even find hackers for more advanced revenge. Isn't this a damage to the entire community?
5. Maybe more, who knows.

Once again, this is not what I intend to do, it is just the subsequent ripple effect I can think of. Because many people do not understand what Kabam is saying now, they think they are innocent and cannot accept this sudden ban. Don't they need to find an outlet to vent their emotions?

I am not saying this to encourage confrontation, on the contrary I am very much against confrontation. But from my observation, those who have been blocked are now very frustrated, upset, and even angry. I cannot ignore their messages in our community.

Let me reiterate that the above is not what I intend to do. What I have always wanted to do is just to hope that Kabam's management will think carefully about this ban decision and think about whether there is still room for maneuver, so as not to make both sides lose.

I really don't understand your logic here. You're saying that a Company shouldn't do something to potentially prevent cheating, because that will actually encourage people to cheat more?

Per your logic, mall cops shouldn't stop shoplifting, because more people will start shop lifting.

Ericson23

People here keep saying that you violated the rules by using a third-party download channel. Doesn't Kabam's direct banning of game accounts infringe on the legitimate rights of players? Has Kabam really estimated how many negative consequences will be after banning a large number of players who did not use cheating software but only used third-party download channels?

After this incident, these situations will occur in the future. These are not threats, but reasonable inferences.
1. More people who play normal games leave because their friends' accounts are banned;
2. After being disappointed, the banned people start to abuse constantly;
3. People who didn't choose to use cheating software before are now using it to retaliate. Sure, you can continue to ban these people, but in the meantime, isn't this a very bad gaming experience for other players who are still playing the game seriously and following the rules?
4. If some of them have connections and money, they will even find hackers for more advanced revenge. Isn't this a damage to the entire community?
5. Maybe more, who knows.

Once again, this is not what I intend to do, it is just the subsequent ripple effect I can think of. Because many people do not understand what Kabam is saying now, they think they are innocent and cannot accept this sudden ban. Don't they need to find an outlet to vent their emotions?

I am not saying this to encourage confrontation, on the contrary I am very much against confrontation. But from my observation, those who have been blocked are now very frustrated, upset, and even angry. I cannot ignore their messages in our community.

Let me reiterate that the above is not what I intend to do. What I have always wanted to do is just to hope that Kabam's management will think carefully about this ban decision and think about whether there is still room for maneuver, so as not to make both sides lose.
No you dumb barnacle on the underside of a rotting canoe.
Kabam can do whatever they want. Something you would understand if
1. Your IQ was even a double digit that started with anything but a 2.
2. You read the TOS which I assume you can't based on all your incoherent baboon screeching.
3. Could comprehend anything any single person has directly said to you over the past few days

Could you please try not to attack others and be a polite forum user? If you can't do that, please don't post here.

Pikolu

People here keep saying that you violated the rules by using a third-party download channel. Doesn't Kabam's direct banning of game accounts infringe on the legitimate rights of players? Has Kabam really estimated how many negative consequences will be after banning a large number of players who did not use cheating software but only used third-party download channels?

After this incident, these situations will occur in the future. These are not threats, but reasonable inferences.
1. More people who play normal games leave because their friends' accounts are banned;
2. After being disappointed, the banned people start to abuse constantly;
3. People who didn't choose to use cheating software before are now using it to retaliate. Sure, you can continue to ban these people, but in the meantime, isn't this a very bad gaming experience for other players who are still playing the game seriously and following the rules?
4. If some of them have connections and money, they will even find hackers for more advanced revenge. Isn't this a damage to the entire community?
5. Maybe more, who knows.

Once again, this is not what I intend to do, it is just the subsequent ripple effect I can think of. Because many people do not understand what Kabam is saying now, they think they are innocent and cannot accept this sudden ban. Don't they need to find an outlet to vent their emotions?

I am not saying this to encourage confrontation, on the contrary I am very much against confrontation. But from my observation, those who have been blocked are now very frustrated, upset, and even angry. I cannot ignore their messages in our community.

Let me reiterate that the above is not what I intend to do. What I have always wanted to do is just to hope that Kabam's management will think carefully about this ban decision and think about whether there is still room for maneuver, so as not to make both sides lose.

There goes that 2nd chance. I recommend not making another post OP, these are being closed for a reason. Main reason is because you're not listening to what is being said