Is Kabam ignoring f2p players completely?

Soumemiakas1926Soumemiakas1926 Member Posts: 536 ★★★
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First we had that HOF event that was mostly for spenders and only those who grinded arena 24/7. Next we have a lot of champions that are locked behind paywall. Then this new wheel of fate which even big spenders hate. I mean why release an endgame content that 99% of players will hate? I know kabam is a company that wants to make profit but they can't just ignore a whole community to have like 1000 or 2000 people happy. Something needs to be done.
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  • ChobblyChobbly Member Posts: 1,091 ★★★★
    edited June 12
    Playing devil's advocate though @Soumemiakas1926 , why should Kabam create content if there ultimately isn't any financial return in them doing so?

    I'm not F2P but I'm certainly no whale, probably somewhere more like a tuna or sea otter. I don't like the amount of monetisation either but I do know that licensing a product like Marvel isn't cheap. Some licences actually increase in cost year on year because of things like brand association and not just inflation.

    The balance feels off at the moment, I agree, but those who pay always need to get something ahead of everyone else otherwise why put money into the game at all?
  • Soumemiakas1926Soumemiakas1926 Member Posts: 536 ★★★
    Furrymoosen said:

    F2P friendly doesn't mean free or low cost, it means accessible at no cost. HoF was F2P friendly. In everything Kabam does spenders are almost certainly going to benefit more, or at least more easily, but when the only required cost is units then it is by definition F2P friendly. I got Dark Phoenix with units I earned through grinding and not through spending. I recognize not every did that, but everyone did have access to that.

    For champions locked behind a cash paywall; there's no denying this is an increasing issue that needs to slow down (or really stop). Exclusively paid access to champs is unfair. Early access, sure. But when our best hope is that MAYBE a year later we might have a shot, that's a problem.

    As far as the content goes, there's absolutely nothing wrong with Kabam making content that only a small handful can do right away and others have to work towards. We're still seeing posts of players looking for advice on Epoch, right? Well I had that done in the first week, why didn't those guys? Because they had to work towards it and build up their roster. So the idea of aspirational content is not an issue and hasn't bothered any of us before.
    The problem in this scenario isn't the mindset, but rather the content itself. The rewards aren't worth it for the players that can do it now, and they will be worth even less by the time the players that can't do it now can do it later. The content has got to be the worst late April Fools prank anyone has ever pulled, because they can't possibly be serious with this garbage.

    Grinding 24/7 for arena and exploring all event quest difficulties is not f2p friendly. We just can't grind 24/7 just to call it f2p. It just doesn't work like that.
  • Soumemiakas1926Soumemiakas1926 Member Posts: 536 ★★★
    Chobbly said:

    Playing devil's advocate though @Soumemiakas1926 , why should Kabam create content if there ultimately isn't any financial return in them doing so?

    I'm not F2P but I'm certainly no whale, probably somewhere more like a tuna or sea otter. I don't like the amount of monetisation either but I do know that licensing a product like Marvel isn't cheap. Some licences actually increase in cost year on year because of things like brand association and not just inflation.

    The balance feels off at the moment, I agree, but those who pay always need to get something ahead of everyone else otherwise why put money into the game at all?

    They make ridiculously amount of money during July 4th, Cyber Weekend, Banquet event and a lot of big whales spending thousands casually without even these events. If they make Human Torch available to f2p I don't think will break the economy of the game or completely shut the gap between whales and f2ps. It's one champion. Same going with Eidols.
  • ZilliaxerZilliaxer Member Posts: 106 ★
    Soumemiakas1926 said:

    First we had that HOF event that was mostly for spenders and only those who grinded arena 24/7. Next we have a lot of champions that are locked behind paywall. Then this new wheel of fate which even big spenders hate. I mean why release an endgame content that 99% of players will hate? I know kabam is a company that wants to make profit but they can't just ignore a whole community to have like 1000 or 2000 people happy. Something needs to be done.

    Because they are care about ONLY money and unsterstand MONEY language
  • Soumemiakas1926Soumemiakas1926 Member Posts: 536 ★★★
    MrSanguini said:

    Soumemiakas1926 said:

    Furrymoosen said:

    F2P friendly doesn't mean free or low cost, it means accessible at no cost. HoF was F2P friendly. In everything Kabam does spenders are almost certainly going to benefit more, or at least more easily, but when the only required cost is units then it is by definition F2P friendly. I got Dark Phoenix with units I earned through grinding and not through spending. I recognize not every did that, but everyone did have access to that.

    For champions locked behind a cash paywall; there's no denying this is an increasing issue that needs to slow down (or really stop). Exclusively paid access to champs is unfair. Early access, sure. But when our best hope is that MAYBE a year later we might have a shot, that's a problem.

    As far as the content goes, there's absolutely nothing wrong with Kabam making content that only a small handful can do right away and others have to work towards. We're still seeing posts of players looking for advice on Epoch, right? Well I had that done in the first week, why didn't those guys? Because they had to work towards it and build up their roster. So the idea of aspirational content is not an issue and hasn't bothered any of us before.
    The problem in this scenario isn't the mindset, but rather the content itself. The rewards aren't worth it for the players that can do it now, and they will be worth even less by the time the players that can't do it now can do it later. The content has got to be the worst late April Fools prank anyone has ever pulled, because they can't possibly be serious with this garbage.

    Grinding 24/7 for arena and exploring all event quest difficulties is not f2p friendly. We just can't grind 24/7 just to call it f2p. It just doesn't work like that.
    It doesn’t take a 24/7 grind to make 36k. 6 months of regular but medium (finishing two arenas’ milestones) grinding would be enough, if not more than
    In those 6 months there are many more events many more aspects in the game that need units spending. You can't just grind 36k units for 6 months. It isn't realistically viable.
  • Soumemiakas1926Soumemiakas1926 Member Posts: 536 ★★★
    Vendemiaire said:

    F2P Players will get sick if they don't say they are F2P every minute.

    There is definitely an unfair treatment between spenders and f2ps so your comment doesn't make any sense.
  • FlavyjayFlavyjay Member Posts: 91 ★
    Chobbly said:

    Playing devil's advocate though @Soumemiakas1926 , why should Kabam create content if there ultimately isn't any financial return in them doing so?

    I'm not F2P but I'm certainly no whale, probably somewhere more like a tuna or sea otter. I don't like the amount of monetisation either but I do know that licensing a product like Marvel isn't cheap. Some licences actually increase in cost year on year because of things like brand association and not just inflation.

    The balance feels off at the moment, I agree, but those who pay always need to get something ahead of everyone else otherwise why put money into the game at all?

    So you mean F2P players don't matter at all.
  • Soumemiakas1926Soumemiakas1926 Member Posts: 536 ★★★
    Zacharias10719 said:

    Soumemiakas1926 said:

    MrSanguini said:

    Soumemiakas1926 said:

    Furrymoosen said:

    F2P friendly doesn't mean free or low cost, it means accessible at no cost. HoF was F2P friendly. In everything Kabam does spenders are almost certainly going to benefit more, or at least more easily, but when the only required cost is units then it is by definition F2P friendly. I got Dark Phoenix with units I earned through grinding and not through spending. I recognize not every did that, but everyone did have access to that.

    For champions locked behind a cash paywall; there's no denying this is an increasing issue that needs to slow down (or really stop). Exclusively paid access to champs is unfair. Early access, sure. But when our best hope is that MAYBE a year later we might have a shot, that's a problem.

    As far as the content goes, there's absolutely nothing wrong with Kabam making content that only a small handful can do right away and others have to work towards. We're still seeing posts of players looking for advice on Epoch, right? Well I had that done in the first week, why didn't those guys? Because they had to work towards it and build up their roster. So the idea of aspirational content is not an issue and hasn't bothered any of us before.
    The problem in this scenario isn't the mindset, but rather the content itself. The rewards aren't worth it for the players that can do it now, and they will be worth even less by the time the players that can't do it now can do it later. The content has got to be the worst late April Fools prank anyone has ever pulled, because they can't possibly be serious with this garbage.

    Grinding 24/7 for arena and exploring all event quest difficulties is not f2p friendly. We just can't grind 24/7 just to call it f2p. It just doesn't work like that.
    It doesn’t take a 24/7 grind to make 36k. 6 months of regular but medium (finishing two arenas’ milestones) grinding would be enough, if not more than
    In those 6 months there are many more events many more aspects in the game that need units spending. You can't just grind 36k units for 6 months. It isn't realistically viable.
    It is. I do it all the time. Content doesn't need units, just patience to restock revives naturally if you need to. Arena takes a few hours a week to do in total with today's rosters. It's not 24/7 anymore in the slightest.

    It's not for everyone though I respect that, but if you want to participate in j4/hof/cyber events as a ftp then you pretty have to do it to some degree
    I'm currently grinding arenas for 4th July. I have a full time job and I'm telling you it's not possible to grind all arenas to get all units.
  • Asher1_1Asher1_1 Member Posts: 1,118 ★★★
    Yes , for this 3-4 months as kabam wants to make money 🤑🤑 now offers will matter july 4th sales

    Like every business kabam want the next sale to be better than the last sales .

    In the process free2play gets crushed 😂
  • Zacharias10719Zacharias10719 Member Posts: 160 ★★★
    Soumemiakas1926 said:

    Zacharias10719 said:

    Soumemiakas1926 said:

    MrSanguini said:

    Soumemiakas1926 said:

    Furrymoosen said:

    F2P friendly doesn't mean free or low cost, it means accessible at no cost. HoF was F2P friendly. In everything Kabam does spenders are almost certainly going to benefit more, or at least more easily, but when the only required cost is units then it is by definition F2P friendly. I got Dark Phoenix with units I earned through grinding and not through spending. I recognize not every did that, but everyone did have access to that.

    For champions locked behind a cash paywall; there's no denying this is an increasing issue that needs to slow down (or really stop). Exclusively paid access to champs is unfair. Early access, sure. But when our best hope is that MAYBE a year later we might have a shot, that's a problem.

    As far as the content goes, there's absolutely nothing wrong with Kabam making content that only a small handful can do right away and others have to work towards. We're still seeing posts of players looking for advice on Epoch, right? Well I had that done in the first week, why didn't those guys? Because they had to work towards it and build up their roster. So the idea of aspirational content is not an issue and hasn't bothered any of us before.
    The problem in this scenario isn't the mindset, but rather the content itself. The rewards aren't worth it for the players that can do it now, and they will be worth even less by the time the players that can't do it now can do it later. The content has got to be the worst late April Fools prank anyone has ever pulled, because they can't possibly be serious with this garbage.

    Grinding 24/7 for arena and exploring all event quest difficulties is not f2p friendly. We just can't grind 24/7 just to call it f2p. It just doesn't work like that.
    It doesn’t take a 24/7 grind to make 36k. 6 months of regular but medium (finishing two arenas’ milestones) grinding would be enough, if not more than
    In those 6 months there are many more events many more aspects in the game that need units spending. You can't just grind 36k units for 6 months. It isn't realistically viable.
    It is. I do it all the time. Content doesn't need units, just patience to restock revives naturally if you need to. Arena takes a few hours a week to do in total with today's rosters. It's not 24/7 anymore in the slightest.

    It's not for everyone though I respect that, but if you want to participate in j4/hof/cyber events as a ftp then you pretty have to do it to some degree
    I'm currently grinding arenas for 4th July. I have a full time job and I'm telling you it's not possible to grind all arenas to get all units.
    Mate so I do. I literally do it every week, it is possible. I'm sitting on 11k units in a month right now after using all my units bar 2k on HoF.

    Last year I grinded enough units to max out j4, banquet and a lot of cyber weekend.

    It's tedious at times, but its the price you pay when you want to vaguely keep up in this game.

  • MrSakuragiMrSakuragi Member Posts: 6,662 ★★★★★
    BringPopcorn said:

    Why is it that F2P players always shield themselves with "the community". I mean its nice to have a community and all; but "community" doesn't pay the bills, doesn't make the game better, doesn't allow to increase budget to make it better. I mean you could not go out to eat, cook at home and spend whatever you were going to spend out in the game for "the community" right?

    All for community as long as it’s free 😉
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 2,665 ★★★★★
    SirGamesBond said:

    As a non arena grinding F2p, I don't support this threads claims.

    As an average desi, I support games bond
  • Soumemiakas1926Soumemiakas1926 Member Posts: 536 ★★★
    BringPopcorn said:

    MrSakuragi said:

    BringPopcorn said:

    Why is it that F2P players always shield themselves with "the community". I mean its nice to have a community and all; but "community" doesn't pay the bills, doesn't make the game better, doesn't allow to increase budget to make it better. I mean you could not go out to eat, cook at home and spend whatever you were going to spend out in the game for "the community" right?

    All for community as long as it’s free 😉
    Its like those family gatherings, you always have someone who didn't even bring a drink complaining about the food.
    BringPopcorn said:

    MrSakuragi said:

    BringPopcorn said:

    Why is it that F2P players always shield themselves with "the community". I mean its nice to have a community and all; but "community" doesn't pay the bills, doesn't make the game better, doesn't allow to increase budget to make it better. I mean you could not go out to eat, cook at home and spend whatever you were going to spend out in the game for "the community" right?

    All for community as long as it’s free 😉
    Its like those family gatherings, you always have someone who didn't even bring a drink complaining about the food.
    What is this logic? So only spenders are allowed to play the game? That's what you're saying right now.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 9,056 ★★★★★
    Soumemiakas1926 said:

    BringPopcorn said:

    MrSakuragi said:

    BringPopcorn said:

    Why is it that F2P players always shield themselves with "the community". I mean its nice to have a community and all; but "community" doesn't pay the bills, doesn't make the game better, doesn't allow to increase budget to make it better. I mean you could not go out to eat, cook at home and spend whatever you were going to spend out in the game for "the community" right?

    All for community as long as it’s free 😉
    Its like those family gatherings, you always have someone who didn't even bring a drink complaining about the food.
    BringPopcorn said:

    MrSakuragi said:

    BringPopcorn said:

    Why is it that F2P players always shield themselves with "the community". I mean its nice to have a community and all; but "community" doesn't pay the bills, doesn't make the game better, doesn't allow to increase budget to make it better. I mean you could not go out to eat, cook at home and spend whatever you were going to spend out in the game for "the community" right?

    All for community as long as it’s free 😉
    Its like those family gatherings, you always have someone who didn't even bring a drink complaining about the food.
    What is this logic? So only spenders are allowed to play the game? That's what you're saying right now.
    The logic is present your complaints as your own. Don't say the community, cause guess what? You don't do much for the "community"
  • Frumpy_geezerFrumpy_geezer Member Posts: 248 ★★
    BringPopcorn said:

    They could make you watch a 30 second ad every 6 fights if you want to contribute.

    I really think they should have the option to watch an ad for like 1 unit or xxxx gold or some tiny selector, with a cap of like 10 a day or whatever they decide. It's just free money for them at that point.
  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 2,771 ★★★★★
    Zacharias10719 said:

    Soumemiakas1926 said:

    BringPopcorn said:

    MrSakuragi said:

    BringPopcorn said:

    Why is it that F2P players always shield themselves with "the community". I mean its nice to have a community and all; but "community" doesn't pay the bills, doesn't make the game better, doesn't allow to increase budget to make it better. I mean you could not go out to eat, cook at home and spend whatever you were going to spend out in the game for "the community" right?

    All for community as long as it’s free 😉
    Its like those family gatherings, you always have someone who didn't even bring a drink complaining about the food.
    BringPopcorn said:

    MrSakuragi said:

    BringPopcorn said:

    Why is it that F2P players always shield themselves with "the community". I mean its nice to have a community and all; but "community" doesn't pay the bills, doesn't make the game better, doesn't allow to increase budget to make it better. I mean you could not go out to eat, cook at home and spend whatever you were going to spend out in the game for "the community" right?

    All for community as long as it’s free 😉
    Its like those family gatherings, you always have someone who didn't even bring a drink complaining about the food.
    What is this logic? So only spenders are allowed to play the game? That's what you're saying right now.
    No, but spenders keep the lights on. Without them there is no game. This is something that I think some ftp players fail to grasp. They think they are the pure players because they play the game the 'right way' and the spenders are cheaters essentially. The reality is it's the spenders that allow you to play the game for free at all, and this game in all honesty is one of the most ftp plays out there in what it offers that part of the community.
    True, but a never-ending supply of high progression F2Ps is necessary to keep the whales happy and engaged and spending.
    F2Ps are the cannon fodder that whales pay to dominate, the bodies that fill the matchups, and the audience that makes their flex worth anything.

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  • ZwierzakolZwierzakol Member Posts: 45 ★
    And You guys seem to forget that without F2P players the number of players would be significantly smaller and propably die really quick since whales wouldn't be able to show off their roosters.
    To be clear I'm not F2P.
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,069 ★★★★★
    edited June 12
    Frumpy_geezer said:

    BringPopcorn said:

    They could make you watch a 30 second ad every 6 fights if you want to contribute.

    I really think they should have the option to watch an ad for like 1 unit or xxxx gold or some tiny selector, with a cap of like 10 a day or whatever they decide. It's just free money for them at that point.
    If they have optional ads they can't advertise their app in playstore and appstore so it affects their new downloads.

    For example look at candy crush and look at mcoc, mcoc don't have that tag "contains ads" it. Really affects the number of new downloads a lot.



  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 9,056 ★★★★★
    Frumpy_geezer said:

    BringPopcorn said:

    They could make you watch a 30 second ad every 6 fights if you want to contribute.

    I really think they should have the option to watch an ad for like 1 unit or xxxx gold or some tiny selector, with a cap of like 10 a day or whatever they decide. It's just free money for them at that point.
    Nope, see you are watching an ad for the unit. They should watch the ad for "the community"
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