Are we back to normal AW already?

Ew.
Can we go back to the "Big Ben" AW please? That was actually fun and engaging.

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high level war planners had issues with certain defenders and nodes.

imaging giving casual players a similar map but now with bans, buffed nodes, and 5/5 defenders.

startropics

please don't ask for AQ changes. the devil you know....

zbot34

I enjoyed the new format of War. Once you understand how the nodes work to gain charges it is very similar to Raids and it was nice to have just 1 fight and be done the rest of the day.

Now from a strategic standpoint I get it is boring because you are only picking 1 defender as opposed to 5 for each player.

But with a game ever evolving it is nice to be done with a fight after about 10-15 mins and not have to log back in to clear 6 to 8 other fights. It is very similar to Raids in that respect, if you get through the mini bosses fast enough you can be done with your BG in a day or 2 and have the rest of the time to do whatever else you would like to with your full team at your disposal.

I think this format should stay but unfortunately many did not like it so it would seem the same will revert back.

How about this- make that format an option to pick? So like how we have Regular Raids vs Nightmare Raids to choose from couldn't you make it possible to choose this new War format vs the Old format? Then each alliance has a choice of how to proceed for each BG in their alliance?

Rebark

You just proved that you have no idea how a master alliance works.

There are very few good players in the game, that's the truth.

Most of the players in my alliance are very good, but a minority are not.

Each player has a specific role. The guy who doesn't play so well plays White Magneto and he fights some fights with him and sets up pre-fights.

There is the guy who plays the mythical champions to play Serpent on any node.

There are those who always follow the same path, who don't give any trouble and don't die in those fights and, as a result, already have the champions to do anything that comes up.

There are players who fight long and difficult fights, who are the ones who take on the bosses.

There are players who play new champions, who are usually the ones who learn quickly.

This is true for any alliance. Even GT40, when it dominated the podium, had bad players. There is no alliance with 30 very good players and there never will be.

So no, I'm an officer in an alliance that has won Master 25 times in the last 30 seasons, with 2 podium finishes and 15 top 10 finishes. There are bad players here and, despite the problems, the map is democratic. Those who don't play the old map probably think they need to be very good or have a very good account to compete in Master, which is not true. There are players with accounts 3x smaller than mine.
And yes, there is a planning problem and I know this better than anyone, after all I take care of the planning and it's stressful. But the solution doesn't involve removing 80% of the defenders from the map.

Many positive changes have been made. Bans are now in place, we can now see the defenders before entering the map (before we had to use proficiencies and external tools) and all of this has improved the experience without having to remove all of the complexity of the map.

Other changes were made for this season: There is no blacklist and all global attackers are on the whitelist.

There are significantly fewer global defenders.
Without a doubt, these are subtle changes that will make a big difference in planning.

Hulk808

Seems like the only people that enjoy the old format are the tier 1 peeps. So let them have that format and everyone else the new format. Everyone wins. Lol

startropics

this is very accurate @ItsClobberinTime. teams aren't homogenous and everyone brings different skills, abilities, strengths, weaknesses, and roles.

ItsClobberinTime

That is correct we never reached Masters because we all hate old AW lol that's not really burn, we despise it.

You say you take care of planning and you're an officer but then you say on a different thread that it only takes 10 minutes every three days? Wow, you gotta teach me how to do path assignments in 5 minutes since the other 5 are spent fighting, totally 5 minutes not 5 hours lmao.

Rebark

It depends on the alliance we're facing.
But in general, it takes an hour to set up an attack. We have seven officers here. After we're done, everyone looks at the attacks from all the groups and releases them. If there's any inconsistency or something wrong, we change it.
Honestly, what sometimes took two or three hours were complex defense globals and very well-targeted bans.
For example: The Serpent on Node 9.
We managed to do Symbiote Supreme, Kushala, Blade, even Purgatory.
There were wars with such targeted bans that we lost a lot of time deciding what we would do with that fight. A lot of research, asking people from other alliances, looking for videos. At the time, we found Dust as a solution.
The complexity came from the bans. This next season, all the global attackers will be whitelisted. It will be much faster.

JESUSCHRIST

Not everyone likes 10 million healthpool enchantress

I can take my 7* enchantress to rank 4 if you like fighting her

Terminatrix

That's what it sound like lol. I don't understand how they're even upset

Chobbly

I have to admit, I logged in to AW and immediately went "Awww, that's a shame." I kind of miss the variant map now.

Syndicated

Dear Crashed, this AW map was amazing, please keep it.

RexnSpike

I like the new format better. My Alliance hasn’t been very engaged in AW but saw an uptick with this past season. I hadn’t played in more than a year but this format was much less stressful, much less time consuming and more likely to keep me and others coming back.

KnightZero

But why should Tier 1 people speak for everyone?
Yes, the competitive alliances might spend more, but the others play the game as well
Rather than coming to a middle ground or having both, the only solution that T1 players give is that do it our way.

Rebark

I think that those who have played over fifty seasons of Alliance War have a much better say in Alliance War and should have a greater say in any change process than people who don't play, but have played an alternative mode and enjoyed it.
I have no problem with this mode, I just want Alliance War to stay the way it has always been. If I can play both at the same time, even better.
I don't want to lose the only reason I play the game, it's as simple as that.

Frumpy_geezer

And people need to work IN the office. None of that remote work.

Cpt_Awesomeo55

I also enjoyed the new format. So much less mental energy. No waiting for your team mates to finish a fight. All and all just much less stress and more fun imo

KnightZero

I've played war since the beginning. Before seasons was there and when there was thorns and caltrops and stuff on the map.

Many folks have suggested having both modes and letting the alliance select what map they want to play in. But none of the T1 members consider that an option. As I said, it looks like only your voice is supposed to count

pseudosane

You can have your opinion, but no need to trample on others. Plenty have played since the start of AW, lol.
ive played all 58 seasons as well, but i wouldnt presume my opinion is all that matters.

ItsClobberinTime

That's not how this works, the goal is to incentivize other people to play the game not to let Masters players decide for Kabam and the rest of the playerbase, your entitlement is funny tho lol.

ItsClobberinTime

You can go ahead and take her to rank 5 if you want eventually, for us she got clapped in every tile people put her in this last season and we'd very much rather this than an Enchantress and a Zola or some other bs defender on the same path.

Furrymoosen

Not a comment on your age since I don't know it, but this is the ultimate boomer statement. "Well it's the way we've always done it, so the young folks should just learn to like it our way". And we see where that attitude gets us - the people that like things the way they have been are living the dream and making it harder for everyone else to achieve.

While there is something to be said for the opinions of the OGs holding a greater weight, and I do believe to some degree their thoughts on the subject should be considered more than some (definitely not all), it is incredibly foolish to say that newer players, or even players that have been playing for a few less seasons, should hardly have any say at all. New thoughts and ideas move things forward. Some things are good staying the same, but that doesn't mean that everyone shouldn't have a voice that can be heard and bring differing ideas to the table. Are the newer players gonna have some dumb ideas? Absolutely. But sometimes the old people are holding onto dumb ideas just because they like them.

None of this means AW needs to change, but there's still a worthwhile conversation ahead that involves the entire player base, not just a few.

I personally enjoy the strategy and challenge of the old way, but I also enjoy the time investment of the new way. If they can balance the two, that'd be great. But if I have to pick one, I prefer the lower time investment.

startropics

i think all players should have a say and that one subsection doesn't impact the other. if gold and silver players want the new map let them have it.

ThatGuyYouSaw235

The fact you no-life the war gamemode does not mean you have or should have a higher say regarding this mode.

KnightZero

I don't think it's limited to Gold and Silver lol. Ton of P2 alliances and below also like it.
But that's what I'm trying to say. Keep two maps. Let alliances choose what map they want to do war in for the month.
It might be more work for Kabam, but that would satisfy both groups

hungryhungrybbq

💯 The ability to always use a synergy was very fun.. it really added a fresh dynamic to AW and had players and officers really taking a closer look at previously forgotten synergies

I'm not saying I don't use synergies in the traditional format (I just did in off season war 1 - KP Synergy for Diablo), but in a 4 - 10 fight format, it's far more difficult to fit them on the team based on the ground you need to cover with 3 attackers

It was basically like a concentrated version of AW.. everything rides on one fight - choose your team well and execute correctly and you have a deathless war and save items.. choose team or execute poorly and it can be punishing

I liked it

hungryhungrybbq

Heyyy a fellow old school person 🤩.. I remember fighting 4 star NC Bosses with 4 star SL
But it was Slashed Tires.. on the outer path iirc haha

hungryhungrybbq

startropics

sane people: why are you doing all that?

tier 1 psychos:

hungryhungrybbq

I have a question for the players who say the one fight format wasn't challenging enough: Did you have a completely deathless Season?