Battleground match-making

Hi all,
I think BG should be adjusted to be more friendly and suitable for every body's progression, somehow like titles (Valiant/Paragon etc.)

Especially in VT, they should let everyone be able to reach as high as possible with their progression. And maybe in GC, it can be harder, but for lower rank, like Uru, Gamma for example, they should let equally/comparable accounts to compete with each others.

It would be more fun and less complaints though 🤷

Comments

Herbal_Taxman

I’m glad we got one more of these threads before the season ends. I think we hit our quota of 50 threads on matchmaking in the final two weeks of the season.

Halley

I’m glad we got one more of these threads before the season ends. I think we hit our quota of 50 threads on matchmaking in the final two weeks of the season.

Yeah the more threads appear, the more concerns they note.

There are more and more Whales with 10+ r4 7*, and annoying defenders (Dark Phoenix, Serphent, D.Thanos, Nick, Enchantress, etc.) and Whales have better attackers (Torch, FAM etc.) So they should compete with each others in Celes or something, not disturb lower accounts to get points in VT, Uru, Gamma...

Giantwalrus56

Hi all,
I think BG should be adjusted to be more friendly and suitable for every body's progression, somehow like titles (Valiant/Paragon etc.)

Especially in VT, they should let everyone be able to reach as high as possible with their progression. And maybe in GC, it can be harder, but for lower rank, like Uru, Gamma for example, they should let equally/comparable accounts to compete with each others.

It would be more fun and less complaints though 🤷

Do you think those progression level accounts deserve, should earn, the same rewards as the higher tiers?

willrun4adonut

I’m glad we got one more of these threads before the season ends. I think we hit our quota of 50 threads on matchmaking in the final two weeks of the season.
Yeah the more threads appear, the more concerns they note.

There are more and more Whales with 10+ r4 7*, and annoying defenders (Dark Phoenix, Serphent, D.Thanos, Nick, Enchantress, etc.) and Whales have better attackers (Torch, FAM etc.) So they should compete with each others in Celes or something, not disturb lower accounts to get points in VT, Uru, Gamma...

Aren't you valiant? So are you really ok with 50% of uncollected getting to GC, and 50% of Valiants not making it to GC? Because that's essentially what breaking it up into titles would be (and yes, I know it wouldn't be exactly 50%, but just easier to point out the absurdity of it).

Herbal_Taxman

I’m glad we got one more of these threads before the season ends. I think we hit our quota of 50 threads on matchmaking in the final two weeks of the season.
Yeah the more threads appear, the more concerns they note.

There are more and more Whales with 10+ r4 7*, and annoying defenders (Dark Phoenix, Serphent, D.Thanos, Nick, Enchantress, etc.) and Whales have better attackers (Torch, FAM etc.) So they should compete with each others in Celes or something, not disturb lower accounts to get points in VT, Uru, Gamma...

Go find your rewards in other game modes. I can never understand why people think that everyone is entitled to rewards from all modes. Maybe you’re just not ready for GC.

Slonerko

I’m glad we got one more of these threads before the season ends. I think we hit our quota of 50 threads on matchmaking in the final two weeks of the season.
Yeah the more threads appear, the more concerns they note.

There are more and more Whales with 10+ r4 7*, and annoying defenders (Dark Phoenix, Serphent, D.Thanos, Nick, Enchantress, etc.) and Whales have better attackers (Torch, FAM etc.) So they should compete with each others in Celes or something, not disturb lower accounts to get points in VT, Uru, Gamma...
Go find your rewards in other game modes. I can never understand why people think that everyone is entitled to rewards from all modes. Maybe you’re just not ready for GC.

Perhaps they think that, say, a 5 mil account that consistently beats other 5 mil accounts in PVP has a stronger claim to a reward than a 9 mil account that consistently beats 4 mil accounts. Crazy, right?

BringPopcorn

I’m glad we got one more of these threads before the season ends. I think we hit our quota of 50 threads on matchmaking in the final two weeks of the season.
Yeah the more threads appear, the more concerns they note.

There are more and more Whales with 10+ r4 7*, and annoying defenders (Dark Phoenix, Serphent, D.Thanos, Nick, Enchantress, etc.) and Whales have better attackers (Torch, FAM etc.) So they should compete with each others in Celes or something, not disturb lower accounts to get points in VT, Uru, Gamma...
Go find your rewards in other game modes. I can never understand why people think that everyone is entitled to rewards from all modes. Maybe you’re just not ready for GC.
Perhaps they think that, say, a 5 mil account that consistently beats other 5 mil accounts in PVP has a stronger claim to a reward than a 9 mil account that consistently beats 4 mil accounts. Crazy, right?

I got a 7 mill rating account, can you explain to me how having a bunch of 2* to 5* maxed and increasing my rating help me in BGs with a deck of 30 champs please?

Mixtapevol02

Seriously if the guy that is constantly losing to pausers can make it into GC, I’m sure you guys can too.

Zacharias10719

I’m glad we got one more of these threads before the season ends. I think we hit our quota of 50 threads on matchmaking in the final two weeks of the season.
Yeah the more threads appear, the more concerns they note.

There are more and more Whales with 10+ r4 7*, and annoying defenders (Dark Phoenix, Serphent, D.Thanos, Nick, Enchantress, etc.) and Whales have better attackers (Torch, FAM etc.) So they should compete with each others in Celes or something, not disturb lower accounts to get points in VT, Uru, Gamma...

If they are good enough they will be competing in celestial, but they have to go through vt and all the other gc tiers to get there first.

If you want to do better in bgs, then do the content and and progress your account, come back every season and and watch how you improve with every new rank up to your deck.

It's not a participation event. It's a competition.

Halley

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If you want to do better in bgs, then do the content and and progress your account, come back every season and and watch how you improve with every new rank up to your deck.

It's not a participation event. It's a competition.

Yeah sure but you can never compete with giant whales by completing contents, you'll know, day by day, they'll get more annoying def like Yelena, and so on... And maybe you can never reach Mysterium, Celes again...

I mean, to adjust to let more players to be able to join BG and get some stuffs, not exclusive for whales only, maybe only VT, Uru, Gamma

That's one of the reasons why loyal players are quitting more and more these days, they're not P2W but the game does

BringPopcorn

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If you want to do better in bgs, then do the content and and progress your account, come back every season and and watch how you improve with every new rank up to your deck.

It's not a participation event. It's a competition.
Yeah sure but you can never compete with giant whales by completing contents, you'll know, day by day, they'll get more annoying def like Yelena, and so on... And maybe you can never reach Mysterium, Celes again...

I mean, to adjust to let more players to be able to join BG and get some stuffs, not exclusive for whales only, maybe only VT, Uru, Gamma

That's one of the reasons why loyal players are quitting more and more these days, they're not P2W but the game does

So this was just an elaborate way to beg for rewards, like every matchmaking post...

captain_rogers

Cavailer can fight cavailers, but the top prize is 10k 6* shards. Okay?

hungryhungrybbq

Champion acquisition and ranking them up is essentially the entire reward structure of the game.. what you're suggesting removes any incentive to improve your roster.. think it through now, why then would you even want the rewards you are asking for if not to grow your roster.. except, roster doesn't matter now.. see the conundrum?

DannyB01

We’d basically be punished for whaling out and having a good roster. I whale out and almost solely play BGs. If that just means I’ll only match other guys with 10+ R4s but will get the same results as those who don’t (but now I can’t match against) then what’s the point?

BGs is the most competitive mode in the game for solo players. Part of that is investing in and managing your roster. Those that don’t whale out shouldn’t expect to keep up with whales.

Furrymoosen

Present a clear and sound argument on why lower accounts deserve equal (and ultimately easier) access to reach "as high as possible", while also defining what that means, and I will join your cause. Why would it be fair for lower accounts to reach the GC only facing lower accounts? Why would it be fair for higher accounts to have to only face each other to make it to the GC?

The problem is, you can't justify anything other than what we have with a rational argument. The argument stops and starts at "small accounts are having a hard time". The game mode already functions with the "as high as possible" access to rewards across the board. Every single account is able to go as high up the rewards as they possibly can. But the argument for easier access for low level rewards is using the wrong language. What you're asking for is not as high as possible, but as high as available. In reality, all players can reach what is as high as achievable for them. Every player can already go as high as they are able; that doesn't mean that they should be able to go as high as they want to get. If you can't get past diamond 3, then that's as high as possible for you to go and you've gotten all the rewards that you are able to achieve with your account and skill.

Once upon a time, matchmaking was exactly what lower level accounts propose on here every day. It was based primarily on overall account strength and deck strength as well. We had a season where UC accounts made it to the GC at will and Paragon accounts were left out or barely made it in. In a competitive game mode, is it fair that accounts were left out that could've beaten many of the accounts that got in? Is it fair that accounts with more time, effort (and yes, money) had to struggle while accounts barely progressed made it in with ease?

The argument is constantly for Kabam to give low level accounts whatever they want disguised as an argument to make the game more enjoyable or fun for them. At the end of the day, it's just entitlement and entitlement doesn't apply to a competitive game mode where everyone is in one pool going for the same prizes.

Offer a sound argument for why lower level accounts having an easy go is fair for all players and I will join the cause.

winterthur

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If you want to do better in bgs, then do the content and and progress your account, come back every season and and watch how you improve with every new rank up to your deck.

It's not a participation event. It's a competition.
That's one of the reasons why loyal players are quitting more and more these days, they're not P2W but the game does

Do you have data to back this up?

JESUSCHRIST

Matchmaking is fine at Uru and gamma

Unless you are matched against me LOL

JESUSCHRIST

Kabam crashed did mention having a casual battlegrounds mode in future

Yes it will be brutal next season when we all start at the same tier with celestial players

Slonerko

I’m glad we got one more of these threads before the season ends. I think we hit our quota of 50 threads on matchmaking in the final two weeks of the season.
Yeah the more threads appear, the more concerns they note.

There are more and more Whales with 10+ r4 7*, and annoying defenders (Dark Phoenix, Serphent, D.Thanos, Nick, Enchantress, etc.) and Whales have better attackers (Torch, FAM etc.) So they should compete with each others in Celes or something, not disturb lower accounts to get points in VT, Uru, Gamma...
Go find your rewards in other game modes. I can never understand why people think that everyone is entitled to rewards from all modes. Maybe you’re just not ready for GC.
Perhaps they think that, say, a 5 mil account that consistently beats other 5 mil accounts in PVP has a stronger claim to a reward than a 9 mil account that consistently beats 4 mil accounts. Crazy, right?
I got a 7 mill rating account, can you explain to me how having a bunch of 2* to 5* maxed and increasing my rating help me in BGs with a deck of 30 champs please?

Sure, I can do that.

First, I will say that you have a valid point in noting the 30 champ deck limit. This is a mechanism that increases parity at higher levels of competition, because if a big account has more than 30 viable champs for a season, some of them sit on the bench. Presumably, the larger accounts have a better selection and more top ranked champs than the growing accounts, but there is a limit in terms of deck composition.

Where the competitiveness in matchmaking gets strained by account rating is, obviously, on the higher end of champion rankings. Yes, some part of a 7 mil account is composed of maxed 2*-5*, just as some part of a 4 mil account will be, very likely in similar proportions. But clearly a lot of what constitutes an account's rating are the champs on the higher end, both in terms of variety and rank. Notice how players currently talk about how many R4 7* champs they have or face. That's the part of the large account that makes the rating a metric for parity in matchmaking. Anyone who would genuinely argue that the principal difference between a 7 mil account and a 4 mil account is the maxed 2-5* champs is either very mistaken or not serious.

BringPopcorn

I’m glad we got one more of these threads before the season ends. I think we hit our quota of 50 threads on matchmaking in the final two weeks of the season.
Yeah the more threads appear, the more concerns they note.

There are more and more Whales with 10+ r4 7*, and annoying defenders (Dark Phoenix, Serphent, D.Thanos, Nick, Enchantress, etc.) and Whales have better attackers (Torch, FAM etc.) So they should compete with each others in Celes or something, not disturb lower accounts to get points in VT, Uru, Gamma...
Go find your rewards in other game modes. I can never understand why people think that everyone is entitled to rewards from all modes. Maybe you’re just not ready for GC.
Perhaps they think that, say, a 5 mil account that consistently beats other 5 mil accounts in PVP has a stronger claim to a reward than a 9 mil account that consistently beats 4 mil accounts. Crazy, right?
I got a 7 mill rating account, can you explain to me how having a bunch of 2* to 5* maxed and increasing my rating help me in BGs with a deck of 30 champs please?
Sure, I can do that.

First, I will say that you have a valid point in noting the 30 champ deck limit. This is a mechanism that increases parity at higher levels of competition, because if a big account has more than 30 viable champs for a season, some of them sit on the bench. Presumably, the larger accounts have a better selection and more top ranked champs than the growing accounts, but there is a limit in terms of deck composition.

Where the competitiveness in matchmaking gets strained by account rating is, obviously, on the higher end of champion rankings. Yes, some part of a 7 mil account is composed of maxed 2*-5*, just as some part of a 4 mil account will be, very likely in similar proportions. But clearly a lot of what constitutes an account's rating are the champs on the higher end, both in terms of variety and rank. Notice how players currently talk about how many R4 7* champs they have or face. That's the part of the large account that makes the rating a metric for parity in matchmaking. Anyone who would genuinely argue that the principal difference between a 7 mil account and a 4 mil account is the maxed 2-5* champs is either very mistaken or not serious.

Raiting is IRRELEVANT, its one of the dumbest and most useless stats to use to measure anything in the game.

Slonerko

Present a clear and sound argument on why lower accounts deserve equal (and ultimately easier) access to reach "as high as possible", while also defining what that means, and I will join your cause. Why would it be fair for lower accounts to reach the GC only facing lower accounts? Why would it be fair for higher accounts to have to only face each other to make it to the GC?

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Once upon a time, matchmaking was exactly what lower level accounts propose on here every day. It was based primarily on overall account strength and deck strength as well. We had a season where UC accounts made it to the GC at will and Paragon accounts were left out or barely made it in. In a competitive game mode, is it fair that accounts were left out that could've beaten many of the accounts that got in? Is it fair that accounts with more time, effort (and yes, money) had to struggle while accounts barely progressed made it in with ease?

The argument is constantly for Kabam to give low level accounts whatever they want disguised as an argument to make the game more enjoyable or fun for them. At the end of the day, it's just entitlement and entitlement doesn't apply to a competitive game mode where everyone is in one pool going for the same prizes.

Offer a sound argument for why lower level accounts having an easy go is fair for all players and I will join the cause.

Parity is a fundamental aspect of play that is even observable in lab animals. Like, there have been studies with rats that "play" at wrestling showing that if there's a size discrepancy and the larger rat doesn't let the smaller rat win sometimes, the play simply stops.

I don't want to be misconstrued here. We're not rats, and I'm not advocating in letting growing accounts simply win. I also don't think that rewards should be the same at lower levels of competition as at the highest levels.

What I am saying is that while the players who are making the point that weaker accounts should not be rewarded similar to stronger accounts are indeed correct, they want to have their cake and eat it too if they insist that the stronger accounts should attain high value rewards by punching down. Rewards should be in line with the level of challenge required. If you're beating elite players or even just whales, by all means, you should be getting great rewards. Kudos to you! If, on the other hand, you're just stomping on accounts half your size and collecting radiance and trophy tokens, that is contributing to an imbalance that is going to affect all areas of the game (e.g. The ever-present complaints of "These rewards suck!") and I don't really see how that is good for anyone who enjoys the game in the long run.

By the way, I think Kabam is doing a great job with their just-announced "little leagues" for Battlegrounds. I think it's very important for newer and intermediate players to have access to a PVP mode where they can face their peers for level-appropriate rewards. I am also hopeful that, in looking at the recent radiance data and seeing how it affected the game overall, that adjustments will be made that lead to enjoyable, high-level competition for more players with appropriate reward distribution at each level of play.

Herbal_Taxman

Enjoy the little leagues. Just be ready to get little league rewards for beating up on UCs.

Slonerko

Enjoy the little leagues. Just be ready to get little league rewards for beating up on UCs.

I'm pretty sure those aren't going to be for Valiant players. Nevertheless, I'm happy for the smaller accounts who will enjoy competitive matchups, and pleased that they will be able to grow their accounts with level-appropriate rewards. I'm also glad that I will probably receive fewer forfeits if I start in the Victory Track next season.

Lastly, I'm happy that you seem to recognize that if I actually could enter the little leagues and face lower-rated accounts, I should not receive high level rewards. I encourage you to expand that thinking to the imbalanced match-ups that occur within higher levels.

KillerM

17 disagree likes from whales 🐳 thats what i call FOMO.. more and more players have fear of missing out champs 🤣