For the Red Hulk Haters 😘

There was recently a thread asking for suggestions for Node 49 Zola (season 59 tac)
Myself and a few other players suggested IH (my alliance mate already tested and she is a good option) but I also mentioned I'm gonna cook it with RH if I get a chance.. had a couple disagrees or dislikes so felt compelled to come back and post 🙃

https://youtu.be/WQKmSGNTbgE?si=j6XuA5ZKPn_Ve9O_

Comments

hungryhungrybbq

The Disagree folks are just quietly pressing the button.. not much to say today?

LordSmasher

That was well done. Not being able to throw a special was doing the fight with one hand tied behind your back but you still nailed it.

hungryhungrybbq

That was well done. Not being able to throw a special was doing the fight with one hand tied behind your back but you still nailed it.

Thanks! 🤩 He's naturally good for Zola in general because of heavy counter, red numbers and ability to gain heat charges from blocking energy attacks.. not reliant on specials for his damage also came in handy here

Main challenge in this fight was AI manipulation - pushing the pace so you don't chip out from the tac or Brute Force

EdisonLaw

InB4theHaters

the_eradicator

Rank 4 with boosts and still took so much damage. Nothing wrong with your skills, fight was good.. his damage is still lacking. Fight should not be prolonged so much. All the XL champs can heavy counter Zola, would say hulk would do better here. So yeah he sill needs a tuneup

SirGamesBond

Rank 4 with boosts and still took so much damage. Nothing wrong with your skills, fight was good.. his damage is still lacking. Fight should not be prolonged so much. All the XL champs can heavy counter Zola, would say hulk would do better here. So yeah he sill needs a tuneup

The fight was under 2 mins.
30% of the damage is from tactic. He's not tactic.
Needs recoils: I don't run them anymore.
Needs r4. I ain't doing that either.
Needs boosting, who doesn't in t1 wars.
Good champ for recoil users.
Not fun to play from my pov.

captain_rogers

Looks like he really needs suicides, Good champ if you look for someone simpler to use. One utility I like about rulk is not dependent on debuffs despite being a science champ, which is helpful in some scenarios.

hungryhungrybbq

Rank 4 with boosts and still took so much damage. Nothing wrong with your skills, fight was good.. his damage is still lacking. Fight should not be prolonged so much. All the XL champs can heavy counter Zola, would say hulk would do better here. So yeah he sill needs a tuneup

No, actually there's a limited pool of champs who can heavy counter him.. it's definitely not all XL champs - I can list many who can't
The issue is this..
-smaller champs cannot outrange his heavy with a single evade in most cases (they need to be able to connect from a two dash distance usually.. many cannot)
- XL champs can easily outrange his heavy with a single evade (as XL champs have a deeper evade), but many of them have a poor heavy reach

That being said, Hulk can heavy counter him fine.. that is true, but he wouldn't be better for this particular fight
- Hulk relies on specials more than RH does for damage, but also Zola mitigates all special damage by 90% anyway and reduced crit damage.. it's RH use of red numbers that help against Zola as they bypass some of his damage mitigation (and he can ramp via blocked energy hits)

And yes, that's a good time for that fight against an R4 in t1.. my alliance mate used R4 IH and took much longer and had a similar amount of health remaining (keep in mind she can throw specials to remove the tac)

But yeah the "damage lacking" is Zola's natural abilities.. and he's an R4 mini on a t1 map
I would be interested in footage of a better time on that fight - so I can have that info for my Battle Group

Ragnaruk5178

Not a fan of rulk but he obliterates that fight. Good job! His heavy is perfect for Zola

hungryhungrybbq

Looks like he really needs suicides, Good champ if you look for someone simpler to use. One utility I like about rulk is not dependent on debuffs despite being a science champ, which is helpful in some scenarios.

Yeah, it's true.. he really does want them active for full potential, agree
And yeah, absolutely.. I use him all the time for war nodes that limit, punish or prohibit Debuffs (especially when people place a Mystic there to be cheeky because most science champs rely on Debuffs:)

hungryhungrybbq

Rank 4 with boosts and still took so much damage. Nothing wrong with your skills, fight was good.. his damage is still lacking. Fight should not be prolonged so much. All the XL champs can heavy counter Zola, would say hulk would do better here. So yeah he sill needs a tuneup
The fight was under 2 mins.
30% of the damage is from tactic. He's not tactic.
Needs recoils: I don't run them anymore.
Needs r4. I ain't doing that either.
Needs boosting, who doesn't in t1 wars.
Good champ for recoil users.
Not fun to play from my pov.

Agree on needing Recoil.. though not really that he needs R4.. based on his DPS and health retention in most war fights - (this one was an outlier as it was Brute Force plus def tac) he would still be totally fine punching up one level against R4 defense

hungryhungrybbq

Rank 4 with boosts and still took so much damage. Nothing wrong with your skills, fight was good.. his damage is still lacking. Fight should not be prolonged so much. All the XL champs can heavy counter Zola, would say hulk would do better here. So yeah he sill needs a tuneup

Also, I agree that he could use an update.. absolutely, as could many champs who were last updated many years ago.. 100%
I'd love to see him get one, for example he and Luke Cage were both updated together some years ago.. then, later on Luke received his latest update.. RH did not
However.. I still think he's a great war attacker in some situations even without his update.. yet 🤞

hungryhungrybbq

Not a fan of rulk but he obliterates that fight. Good job! His heavy is perfect for Zola

Thanks! Appreciate the positive feedback

the_eradicator

One more thing I want to highlight is, I actually like red hulk and I don't think most of them hate him.
They hate the fact he is in the Titan crytal (including me). Whent the titan has other champs like Spiderwoman, jean grey etc..why would anyone want Red hulk who is so old and not so interesting. Thats the problem right there. He is an okay champ otherwise.

Demonzfyre

Rank 4 with boosts and still took so much damage. Nothing wrong with your skills, fight was good.. his damage is still lacking. Fight should not be prolonged so much. All the XL champs can heavy counter Zola, would say hulk would do better here. So yeah he sill needs a tuneup

Heavy countering with Hulk means you lose your build up. You don't lose anything when heavy countering with Rhulk.

hungryhungrybbq

Rank 4 with boosts and still took so much damage. Nothing wrong with your skills, fight was good.. his damage is still lacking. Fight should not be prolonged so much. All the XL champs can heavy counter Zola, would say hulk would do better here. So yeah he sill needs a tuneup
Heavy countering with Hulk means you lose your build up. You don't lose anything when heavy countering with Rhulk.

Correct.. can confirm when I did try him once in the one fight AW format.. I barely cleared the fight in time lol.. thank you I forgot to mention that.. even after confirming it in a rather stressful way in Season AW 😂

hungryhungrybbq

A comparison: Hulk nearly times out against an R3 Zola (punching even) on t2 map with plenty of Force Charge
Yes, I know that Sentry or Overseer were the best for that fight, but I wanted to see for myself and learn the hard way 🙃

https://youtu.be/s_ugTetXlHc?si=eF9LI6w4UkLn8TH8

hungryhungrybbq

Red Hulk: R4 vs R4 (punching even) on t1 map (more hp) clears with less Force Charge in under 3 minutes I believe

https://youtu.be/oeOXLv1XLNo?si=Ou-Ji89DRPK93eUx

EdisonLaw

Red Hulk: R4 vs R4 (punching even) on t1 map (more hp) clears with less Force Charge in under 3 minutes I believe
https://youtu.be/oeOXLv1XLNo?si=Ou-Ji89DRPK93eUx

So how does the fight work? Does Rulk have the heavy reach for Zola?

hungryhungrybbq

Red Hulk: R4 vs R4 (punching even) on t1 map (more hp) clears with less Force Charge in under 3 minutes I believe
https://youtu.be/oeOXLv1XLNo?si=Ou-Ji89DRPK93eUx
So how does the fight work? Does Rulk have the heavy reach for Zola?

Have you watched any of the videos? Or are you trolling me because I post too many RH videos (though I believe that there is no such thing as too many RH videos:) The one at the top of the thread is the most recent test on node 49 AW

Yes, what makes him good for Zola is easy heavy counter, red numbers and ability to ramp by blocking energy attacks (no specials needed - in the case of node 49)

Syndicated

Overseer>>>Rulk

And i don't totally like Overseer lol

hungryhungrybbq

Mmm.. is it though?

CandyCane2

Thank you Kabam for giving me Galan!! 🙏 I was a bit worried it would have stopped or rolled over to red hulk. 🙏

hungryhungrybbq

Thank you Kabam for giving me Galan!! 🙏 I was a bit worried it would have stopped or rolled over to red hulk. 🙏

Galan is alright.. but better luck next time 💪

CandyCane2

Thank you Kabam for giving me Galan!! 🙏 I was a bit worried it would have stopped or rolled over to red hulk. 🙏

Galan is alright.. but better luck next time 💪

I’ll take Galan over red hulk all day everyday 💪

DONZALOOG1234

When at max heat charges and would gain any more, Red Hulk instead applies physical vulnerabilities to the opponent. You're welcome Kabam, add that to Batch 2

hungryhungrybbq

When at max heat charges and would gain any more, Red Hulk instead applies physical vulnerabilities to the opponent. You're welcome Kabam, add that to Batch 2

Or crit rate increase per charge?
- make sp2 do something (anything at all is fine.. maybe a Passive Whither or something?)

EdisonLaw

When at max heat charges and would gain any more, Red Hulk instead applies physical vulnerabilities to the opponent. You're welcome Kabam, add that to Batch 2
Or crit rate increase per charge?
- make sp2 do something (anything at all is fine.. maybe a Passive Whither or something?)

I think they should swap the sp2 and 3. SP2 should inflict the wither and incinerate while SP3 should regen.

hungryhungrybbq

When at max heat charges and would gain any more, Red Hulk instead applies physical vulnerabilities to the opponent. You're welcome Kabam, add that to Batch 2
Or crit rate increase per charge?
- make sp2 do something (anything at all is fine.. maybe a Passive Whither or something?)
I think they should swap the sp2 and 3. SP2 should inflict the wither and incinerate while SP3 should regen.

No arguments here.. yeah the Regen on sp2 never made any sense - it's too small to be worth trading charges for first.. and second he's a damage based character designed for short form.. I don't really see much of a need for Regen personally.. but sure, add it on to sp3 if we like for niche situations?
One thing though.. the Incinerate should be Passive from his sp2 if we do that.. because I want him to keep his identity as a Science who doesn't rely on (and can control) his Debuffs.. and if you attempt to access the Whither Passive.. you want the incinerate to be passive as well or else that will remove his uniqueness in the Science class

But yeah, ultimately.. we need a damage modification for non-Recoil play (BGs)
He actually slaps even currently with Recoils, but remove it and it leaves something to be desired.. I mean it's fine but it's just not as bursty as 2024-25 champs without it