The fact that kabam sold crystals last week (and still are) that are worthless in a month as they “have no plans to make any more battlecasts”. Classic bait and switch
Any one that spent $100 buying a Reliquary that genuinely thought they would be able to use them on Statcasts is a fool.
The fact that kabam sold crystals last week (and still are) that are worthless in a month as they “have no plans to make any more battlecasts”. Classic bait and switch
Any one that spent $100 buying a Reliquary that genuinely thought they would be able to use them on Statcasts is a fool.
The Reliquary comes with 7 items.
Units, as per the usual Odin - bonus gold...
And then 5 relic-based materials. 4 out of 5 of these Relic items can be used on Statcast Relics.
The fact that kabam sold crystals last week (and still are) that are worthless in a month as they “have no plans to make any more battlecasts”. Classic bait and switch
Any one that spent $100 buying a Reliquary that genuinely thought they would be able to use them on Statcasts is a fool.
The Reliquary comes with 7 items.
Units, as per the usual Odin - bonus gold...
And then 5 relic-based materials. 4 out of 5 of these Relic items can be used on Statcast Relics.
Yes - I just meant the Relic nexus crystal itself. I don't understand how someone could seriously call it a bait and switch.
The fact that kabam sold crystals last week (and still are) that are worthless in a month as they “have no plans to make any more battlecasts”. Classic bait and switch
Any one that spent $100 buying a Reliquary that genuinely thought they would be able to use them on Statcasts is a fool.
The Reliquary comes with 7 items.
Units, as per the usual Odin - bonus gold...
And then 5 relic-based materials. 4 out of 5 of these Relic items can be used on Statcast Relics.
We found out today that 4/5 items can be used on Statcast, see how time is a very important part of the equation?
The fact that kabam sold crystals last week (and still are) that are worthless in a month as they “have no plans to make any more battlecasts”. Classic bait and switch
Any one that spent $100 buying a Reliquary that genuinely thought they would be able to use them on Statcasts is a fool.
The Reliquary comes with 7 items.
Units, as per the usual Odin - bonus gold...
And then 5 relic-based materials. 4 out of 5 of these Relic items can be used on Statcast Relics.
We found out today that 4/5 items can be used on Statcast, see how time is a very important part of the equation?
Yes, and Radiance fixed the problem of the poor Battlegrounds Rewards, which you pointed out. Why are we pretending like Relics were the only rewards in Battlegrounds for 2 years?
Criticize everything you want to, but do so objectively.
The fact that kabam sold crystals last week (and still are) that are worthless in a month as they “have no plans to make any more battlecasts”. Classic bait and switch
Any one that spent $100 buying a Reliquary that genuinely thought they would be able to use them on Statcasts is a fool.
The Reliquary comes with 7 items.
Units, as per the usual Odin - bonus gold...
And then 5 relic-based materials. 4 out of 5 of these Relic items can be used on Statcast Relics.
We found out today that 4/5 items can be used on Statcast, see how time is a very important part of the equation?
Yes, and Radiance fixed the problem of the poor Battlegrounds Rewards, which you pointed out. Why are we pretending like Relics were the only rewards in Battlegrounds for 2 years?
Criticize everything you want to, but do so objectively.
Are you seriously asking me to criticize objetively? You are the company man trying to push the story of fixing BG rewards that were criticized by a lot players for a long long time with Radiance that was introduced 2 months ago. How is that objectively from your side? Do you think anybody would have bought the relinquary deal had thet known this? Do you think they would have used 4/5 mats on relics instead of saving them for statcasts? Can you objectively answer those questions as a former player and not an employee?
The fact that kabam sold crystals last week (and still are) that are worthless in a month as they “have no plans to make any more battlecasts”. Classic bait and switch
Any one that spent $100 buying a Reliquary that genuinely thought they would be able to use them on Statcasts is a fool.
The Reliquary comes with 7 items.
Units, as per the usual Odin - bonus gold...
And then 5 relic-based materials. 4 out of 5 of these Relic items can be used on Statcast Relics.
We found out today that 4/5 items can be used on Statcast, see how time is a very important part of the equation?
Yes, and Radiance fixed the problem of the poor Battlegrounds Rewards, which you pointed out. Why are we pretending like Relics were the only rewards in Battlegrounds for 2 years?
Criticize everything you want to, but do so objectively.
Are you seriously asking me to criticize objetively? You are the company man trying to push the story of fixing BG rewards that were criticized by a lot players with Radiance that was introduced 2 months ago. How is that objectively from your side?
Do you think anybody would have bought the reliquary deal had thet known this? Do you think they would have used 4/5 mats on relics instead of saving them for statcasts? Can you objectively answer those questions as a former player and not an employee?
Could you explain to me how it's possibly not? Radiance, quite literally, fixed the main issue about Battlegrounds rewards.
Enough with the "company man" stuff, dude. I'm sitting here at 3 am my time - way way way way WAY past my work hours having this discussion with you. If you're not going to be respectful, I won't continue.
Do I think anybody would have bought a relic deal consisting of 3,000+ units and 2>3 gems that can be used on the new relics? Yes.
I understand you're upset that Statcasts are using different Shard sources, but you're funneling your anger in the wrong direction.
The fact that kabam sold crystals last week (and still are) that are worthless in a month as they “have no plans to make any more battlecasts”. Classic bait and switch
Any one that spent $100 buying a Reliquary that genuinely thought they would be able to use them on Statcasts is a fool.
The Reliquary comes with 7 items.
Units, as per the usual Odin - bonus gold...
And then 5 relic-based materials. 4 out of 5 of these Relic items can be used on Statcast Relics.
We found out today that 4/5 items can be used on Statcast, see how time is a very important part of the equation?
Yes, and Radiance fixed the problem of the poor Battlegrounds Rewards, which you pointed out. Why are we pretending like Relics were the only rewards in Battlegrounds for 2 years?
Criticize everything you want to, but do so objectively.
Are you seriously asking me to criticize objetively? You are the company man trying to push the story of fixing BG rewards that were criticized by a lot players with Radiance that was introduced 2 months ago. How is that objectively from your side?
Do you think anybody would have bought the reliquary deal had thet known this? Do you think they would have used 4/5 mats on relics instead of saving them for statcasts? Can you objectively answer those questions as a former player and not an employee?
Could you explain to me how it's possibly not? Radiance, quite literally, fixed the main issue about Battlegrounds rewards.
Enough with the "company man" stuff, dude. I'm sitting here at 3 am my time - way way way way WAY past my work hours having this discussion with you. If you're not going to be respectful, I won't continue.
Do I think anybody would have bought a relic deal consisting of 3,000+ units and 2>3 gems that can be used on the new relics? Yes.
I understand you're upset that Statcasts are using different Shard sources, but you're funneling your anger in the wrong direction.
If you think I am funneling my anger towards you personally, I do apologize. The company man comment was not to attack you at a personal level. You are asking me to be objectively. How am I not? Yes radiance is the new hot thing, and I am happy about it. Doesn't mean it wasn't long overdue. It doesn't cancel the fact that players have been collecting relic shards for way too long. Do I understand why it can't be the same shards? In a way I do. I know there are way too many battlecast shards out there. I also do understand that it reached a point similar to Solo crystals, it was neglected for so long that buffing them would be counter productive. Players like me are not asking for the same crystal, not even a 1-1 shard trade off; but at least some kind of trade off that would make the shards worth more than a pile of embers that I have been selling on expiration. If not even a trade off make it so dupping a battlecast would give statcast shards.
This is exactly the position I’m in. I have 500k 5* relic shards and I think I’m missing 1 or 2. I can’t justify popping them all just to get all of those embers that I’d have to just turn around and sell. Prestige isn’t a priority for me, and I’m already selling ember daily since I don’t have the rank up materials.
Unethical is maybe a bit of a strong word for my tastes, but I agree with the general sentiment. The new relics needing new shards is the only thing with today’s livestream that significantly upset me. From the relics deep dive post, it seems like Kabam was too scared about the many players who were sitting on hundreds of crystals worth of relics, but that’s entirely their fault. It hardly seems fair to punish players for collecting the resources you offered. If Kabam doesn’t want the whales to instantly have every relic immediately, just put a cap on the conversion so you only get, say, ten relics worth or something.
Relic materials have always had their own reward budget and never took away from anything else.
Option 3 of releasing new Statcasts and even 2 New Battlecasts would have made a considerable difference in the reception of Statcasts and the new shards. As is I don’t believe we’ll ever get new relics regardless of what was said in the stream. I don’t even care if new relics have no “abilities” just the option to equip more champs with Strikers instead of having to juggle them around would be great
They literally explained why they aren't making new battlecasts. Is 160 new strikers not enough for you?
I think you guys take this game too seriously, to the point of arguing and venting your frustrations on someone who doesn't necessarily is the one making the decisions, he's just here to explain why certain decisions are made so we can understand the rationale behind the decisions
This is just a game, in fact I play multiple games at endgame level
These are but digital resources, I have hoarded so much digital resources in another game that totally became useless the moment I reached endgame status
Am I upset that I can't use these digital resources bcos they have turned totally useless? Not at all bcos I know it's just a game. I don't make myself upset over digital resources or a game
But I do understand the feelings players have towards a game they invested time and money in
You can let your opinions be known to the game team but it's kinda pointless to be upset about it
Relic materials have always had their own reward budget and never took away from anything else.
Are you guys being intentionally dense? You could’ve easily had a conversation. Instead of a 1 to 1, you guys could’ve made it so it’s about 3.5-5x per Battlecast Shards for 1 Statcast shard.
I think everyone is coming off too hateful to Kung fu hustle right now. I cant honestly believe that you would think he had any control over this decision. He knows why the decision was made and can explain it to us but that doesnt mean you need to direct hate toward him. At the very least separate the community team from company and dev decisions. Everyone is literally shooting the messengers with this one. Most of the best constructive criticism on here addresses kabam as a company or dev team as a whole
The fact that the "new relic" stuff has been talked about for over a year now and people thought they may release them without a new currency, especially when they mentioned the whole new Statcast relics is wild to me.
People have been hoarding for months, no kidding they're not gonna use the same shards for them. 🤣🤣
Honestly I suspected all along that the battlecast shards wouldn't be the same as the new type of relic that we now know as statcast which uses a different type of shard
We keep calling battlecast relics as relics as a short form, relics are relics, why do the game developer call them battlecast relics
I have actually read the text carefully, there are subtle hints of different types of relics to be released, it's just that they are so slow in releasing them that battlecast relics are the only relics available
That's why we begin to assume that battlecast relics are the only type of relics available
Players hoards relics shards bcos they thought all along that more battlecast relics will be released, this is bcos there are so many champions available and they can all be made into battlecast relics
Suddenly Kabam announced that no more new battlecast relics will be released and a new type of relic will be released
Just like different champion crystals use different shards
It is logical that different relic crystal will use different shards
Conversion of shards is actually a reasonable request from players, some have suggested a conversion limit or a lower conversion ratio but I believe Kabam wants to monetise the new statcast relics so they don't want any conversion to be made possible
I appreciate Mike’s comments here but I don’t think it really changes my feelings on this matter. There has to be a middle ground between “wipe the metaphorical slate clean” and “whales with literal millions of relic shards saved get all 180 relics as soon as they launch without spending an extra dime”. The deep dive stated that there are no plans for new battlecast relics at this point, am I expected to hold on to these shards for another 2 years until you all finally have the time to make new ones and these finally have reasonable value again? If the problem is “too many people have mass relic shards that would trivialize collection”, then letting people sit and collect more shards only exacerbates the problem when you eventually do get around to it, which kinda erodes my trust that it ever will be “worth it” for Kabam to make battlecasts. I don’t see how my aforementioned limited conversion idea is impossible; give the folks who have been saving relic resources for the day y’all finally released new relics a bit of a deserved head start without letting them max out their collections instantly.
And as a bit of an endnote, with no promises of battlecasts coming in the future, this makes battlecast relics shards a bit of a “dead end” resource; eventually you can collect them all and you can reach a point where they have literally no value (technically duping relics gives you a bit of gold and embers but let’s not pretend those really mean much of anything). I don’t think this is something that can be allowed to stand. Champion crystal shards always have value because there’s always new champs to collect, and their associated rank up and level up resources too by the same token. Mysterium, gold, radiance, loyalty, battlechips, they all continually offer some value in getting these always valuable resources. Battlecast shards are now the opposite, where I can reach a point where there is almost literally no more value in collecting them besides speculative hope - and yet Kabam will inevitably continue to offer them as rewards in content like the event and side quest. I strongly urge Kabam to consider this point heavily when considering the future of battlecasts, and realize that trying to kick the can down the road like y’all are doing now will only lead to a more explosive result when things come to a head.
I appreciate Mike’s comments here but I don’t think it really changes my feelings on this matter. There has to be a middle ground between “wipe the metaphorical slate clean” and “whales with literal millions of relic shards saved get all 180 relics as soon as they launch without spending an extra dime”. The deep dive stated that there are no plans for new battlecast relics at this point, am I expected to hold on to these shards for another 2 years until you all finally have the time to make new ones and these finally have reasonable value again? If the problem is “too many people have mass relic shards that would trivialize collection”, then letting people sit and collect more shards only exacerbates the problem when you eventually do get around to it, which kinda erodes my trust that it ever will be “worth it” for Kabam to make battlecasts. I don’t see how my aforementioned limited conversion idea is impossible; give the folks who have been saving relic resources for the day y’all finally released new relics a bit of a deserved head start without letting them max out their collections instantly.
And as a bit of an endnote, with no promises of battlecasts coming in the future, this makes battlecast relics shards a bit of a “dead end” resource; eventually you can collect them all and you can reach a point where they have literally no value (technically duping relics gives you a bit of gold and embers but let’s not pretend those really mean much of anything). I don’t think this is something that can be allowed to stand. Champion crystal shards always have value because there’s always new champs to collect, and their associated rank up and level up resources too by the same token. Mysterium, gold, radiance, loyalty, battlechips, they all continually offer some value in getting these always valuable resources. Battlecast shards are now the opposite, where I can reach a point where there is almost literally no more value in collecting them besides speculative hope - and yet Kabam will inevitably continue to offer them as rewards in content like the event and side quest. I strongly urge Kabam to consider this point heavily when considering the future of battlecasts, and realize that trying to kick the can down the road like y’all are doing now will only lead to a more explosive result when things come to a head.
At this point, id be happy if they just removed all battlecasts when statcasts drop. Of course id expect some kind of refund from opening and upgrading them.
I appreciate Mike’s comments here but I don’t think it really changes my feelings on this matter. There has to be a middle ground between “wipe the metaphorical slate clean” and “whales with literal millions of relic shards saved get all 180 relics as soon as they launch without spending an extra dime”. The deep dive stated that there are no plans for new battlecast relics at this point, am I expected to hold on to these shards for another 2 years until you all finally have the time to make new ones and these finally have reasonable value again? If the problem is “too many people have mass relic shards that would trivialize collection”, then letting people sit and collect more shards only exacerbates the problem when you eventually do get around to it, which kinda erodes my trust that it ever will be “worth it” for Kabam to make battlecasts. I don’t see how my aforementioned limited conversion idea is impossible; give the folks who have been saving relic resources for the day y’all finally released new relics a bit of a deserved head start without letting them max out their collections instantly.
And as a bit of an endnote, with no promises of battlecasts coming in the future, this makes battlecast relics shards a bit of a “dead end” resource; eventually you can collect them all and you can reach a point where they have literally no value (technically duping relics gives you a bit of gold and embers but let’s not pretend those really mean much of anything). I don’t think this is something that can be allowed to stand. Champion crystal shards always have value because there’s always new champs to collect, and their associated rank up and level up resources too by the same token. Mysterium, gold, radiance, loyalty, battlechips, they all continually offer some value in getting these always valuable resources. Battlecast shards are now the opposite, where I can reach a point where there is almost literally no more value in collecting them besides speculative hope - and yet Kabam will inevitably continue to offer them as rewards in content like the event and side quest. I strongly urge Kabam to consider this point heavily when considering the future of battlecasts, and realize that trying to kick the can down the road like y’all are doing now will only lead to a more explosive result when things come to a head.
At this point, id be happy if they just removed all battlecasts when statcasts drop. Of course id expect some kind of refund from opening and upgrading them.
Far from my preferred outcome, but I honestly wouldn’t even hate it. I just resent this IOU limbo Kabam is trying to pull, where they’re totally not gonna make battlecasts shards we’ve accumulated useless but also we have no plans on making new battlecasts but just trust us they’re still good rewards for content which is why we’re gonna keep giving them to you despite the fact that the backlog of shards everyone’s collected is the explicitly stated problem we’re dealing with.
I appreciate Mike’s comments here but I don’t think it really changes my feelings on this matter. There has to be a middle ground between “wipe the metaphorical slate clean” and “whales with literal millions of relic shards saved get all 180 relics as soon as they launch without spending an extra dime”. The deep dive stated that there are no plans for new battlecast relics at this point, am I expected to hold on to these shards for another 2 years until you all finally have the time to make new ones and these finally have reasonable value again? If the problem is “too many people have mass relic shards that would trivialize collection”, then letting people sit and collect more shards only exacerbates the problem when you eventually do get around to it, which kinda erodes my trust that it ever will be “worth it” for Kabam to make battlecasts. I don’t see how my aforementioned limited conversion idea is impossible; give the folks who have been saving relic resources for the day y’all finally released new relics a bit of a deserved head start without letting them max out their collections instantly.
And as a bit of an endnote, with no promises of battlecasts coming in the future, this makes battlecast relics shards a bit of a “dead end” resource; eventually you can collect them all and you can reach a point where they have literally no value (technically duping relics gives you a bit of gold and embers but let’s not pretend those really mean much of anything). I don’t think this is something that can be allowed to stand. Champion crystal shards always have value because there’s always new champs to collect, and their associated rank up and level up resources too by the same token. Mysterium, gold, radiance, loyalty, battlechips, they all continually offer some value in getting these always valuable resources. Battlecast shards are now the opposite, where I can reach a point where there is almost literally no more value in collecting them besides speculative hope - and yet Kabam will inevitably continue to offer them as rewards in content like the event and side quest. I strongly urge Kabam to consider this point heavily when considering the future of battlecasts, and realize that trying to kick the can down the road like y’all are doing now will only lead to a more explosive result when things come to a head.
Yeah you pretty much expressed everything I meant to say in a way more respectful manner. I guess I was a bit harsh on my side due to being questioned about being objectively. Anyway I apologized if I sounded as if I was attacking Mike on a personal level. Just take what Squidopous is saying.
I appreciate Mike’s comments here but I don’t think it really changes my feelings on this matter. There has to be a middle ground between “wipe the metaphorical slate clean” and “whales with literal millions of relic shards saved get all 180 relics as soon as they launch without spending an extra dime”. The deep dive stated that there are no plans for new battlecast relics at this point, am I expected to hold on to these shards for another 2 years until you all finally have the time to make new ones and these finally have reasonable value again? If the problem is “too many people have mass relic shards that would trivialize collection”, then letting people sit and collect more shards only exacerbates the problem when you eventually do get around to it, which kinda erodes my trust that it ever will be “worth it” for Kabam to make battlecasts. I don’t see how my aforementioned limited conversion idea is impossible; give the folks who have been saving relic resources for the day y’all finally released new relics a bit of a deserved head start without letting them max out their collections instantly.
And as a bit of an endnote, with no promises of battlecasts coming in the future, this makes battlecast relics shards a bit of a “dead end” resource; eventually you can collect them all and you can reach a point where they have literally no value (technically duping relics gives you a bit of gold and embers but let’s not pretend those really mean much of anything). I don’t think this is something that can be allowed to stand. Champion crystal shards always have value because there’s always new champs to collect, and their associated rank up and level up resources too by the same token. Mysterium, gold, radiance, loyalty, battlechips, they all continually offer some value in getting these always valuable resources. Battlecast shards are now the opposite, where I can reach a point where there is almost literally no more value in collecting them besides speculative hope - and yet Kabam will inevitably continue to offer them as rewards in content like the event and side quest. I strongly urge Kabam to consider this point heavily when considering the future of battlecasts, and realize that trying to kick the can down the road like y’all are doing now will only lead to a more explosive result when things come to a head.
At this point, id be happy if they just removed all battlecasts when statcasts drop. Of course id expect some kind of refund from opening and upgrading them.
Far from my preferred outcome, but I honestly wouldn’t even hate it. I just resent this IOU limbo Kabam is trying to pull, where they’re totally not gonna make battlecasts shards we’ve accumulated useless but also we have no plans on making new battlecasts but just trust us they’re still good rewards for content which is why we’re gonna keep giving them to you despite the fact that the backlog of shards everyone’s collected is the explicitly stated problem we’re dealing with.
I get that theyll help new players. So fine, leave em as rewards for lower progression eq/sq/story. But the Paragons and valiants and whatever comes next don't need them if we're gonna get statcasts now. If they just took my shards and traded me say, 1 unit per 100 shards or something id be fine.
I appreciate Mike’s comments here but I don’t think it really changes my feelings on this matter. There has to be a middle ground between “wipe the metaphorical slate clean” and “whales with literal millions of relic shards saved get all 180 relics as soon as they launch without spending an extra dime”. The deep dive stated that there are no plans for new battlecast relics at this point, am I expected to hold on to these shards for another 2 years until you all finally have the time to make new ones and these finally have reasonable value again? If the problem is “too many people have mass relic shards that would trivialize collection”, then letting people sit and collect more shards only exacerbates the problem when you eventually do get around to it, which kinda erodes my trust that it ever will be “worth it” for Kabam to make battlecasts. I don’t see how my aforementioned limited conversion idea is impossible; give the folks who have been saving relic resources for the day y’all finally released new relics a bit of a deserved head start without letting them max out their collections instantly.
And as a bit of an endnote, with no promises of battlecasts coming in the future, this makes battlecast relics shards a bit of a “dead end” resource; eventually you can collect them all and you can reach a point where they have literally no value (technically duping relics gives you a bit of gold and embers but let’s not pretend those really mean much of anything). I don’t think this is something that can be allowed to stand. Champion crystal shards always have value because there’s always new champs to collect, and their associated rank up and level up resources too by the same token. Mysterium, gold, radiance, loyalty, battlechips, they all continually offer some value in getting these always valuable resources. Battlecast shards are now the opposite, where I can reach a point where there is almost literally no more value in collecting them besides speculative hope - and yet Kabam will inevitably continue to offer them as rewards in content like the event and side quest. I strongly urge Kabam to consider this point heavily when considering the future of battlecasts, and realize that trying to kick the can down the road like y’all are doing now will only lead to a more explosive result when things come to a head.
At this point, id be happy if they just removed all battlecasts when statcasts drop. Of course id expect some kind of refund from opening and upgrading them.
Far from my preferred outcome, but I honestly wouldn’t even hate it. I just resent this IOU limbo Kabam is trying to pull, where they’re totally not gonna make battlecasts shards we’ve accumulated useless but also we have no plans on making new battlecasts but just trust us they’re still good rewards for content which is why we’re gonna keep giving them to you despite the fact that the backlog of shards everyone’s collected is the explicitly stated problem we’re dealing with.
I get that theyll help new players. So fine, leave em as rewards for lower progression eq/sq/story. But the Paragons and valiants and whatever comes next don't need them if we're gonna get statcasts now. If they just took my shards and traded me say, 1 unit per 100 shards or something id be fine.
At this point I am even fine with battlecast dups giving statcast shards, like 7* champs do with Titan shards. Something on the tune of 3* battlecast dup give 250 Statcast shards 4* Battlecast dup give 375 5* Battlecast dup give 500 I dunno I am just throwing numbers, but it really has to have more value than a bunch of embers.
I appreciate Mike’s comments here but I don’t think it really changes my feelings on this matter. There has to be a middle ground between “wipe the metaphorical slate clean” and “whales with literal millions of relic shards saved get all 180 relics as soon as they launch without spending an extra dime”. The deep dive stated that there are no plans for new battlecast relics at this point, am I expected to hold on to these shards for another 2 years until you all finally have the time to make new ones and these finally have reasonable value again? If the problem is “too many people have mass relic shards that would trivialize collection”, then letting people sit and collect more shards only exacerbates the problem when you eventually do get around to it, which kinda erodes my trust that it ever will be “worth it” for Kabam to make battlecasts. I don’t see how my aforementioned limited conversion idea is impossible; give the folks who have been saving relic resources for the day y’all finally released new relics a bit of a deserved head start without letting them max out their collections instantly.
And as a bit of an endnote, with no promises of battlecasts coming in the future, this makes battlecast relics shards a bit of a “dead end” resource; eventually you can collect them all and you can reach a point where they have literally no value (technically duping relics gives you a bit of gold and embers but let’s not pretend those really mean much of anything). I don’t think this is something that can be allowed to stand. Champion crystal shards always have value because there’s always new champs to collect, and their associated rank up and level up resources too by the same token. Mysterium, gold, radiance, loyalty, battlechips, they all continually offer some value in getting these always valuable resources. Battlecast shards are now the opposite, where I can reach a point where there is almost literally no more value in collecting them besides speculative hope - and yet Kabam will inevitably continue to offer them as rewards in content like the event and side quest. I strongly urge Kabam to consider this point heavily when considering the future of battlecasts, and realize that trying to kick the can down the road like y’all are doing now will only lead to a more explosive result when things come to a head.
At this point, id be happy if they just removed all battlecasts when statcasts drop. Of course id expect some kind of refund from opening and upgrading them.
Far from my preferred outcome, but I honestly wouldn’t even hate it. I just resent this IOU limbo Kabam is trying to pull, where they’re totally not gonna make battlecasts shards we’ve accumulated useless but also we have no plans on making new battlecasts but just trust us they’re still good rewards for content which is why we’re gonna keep giving them to you despite the fact that the backlog of shards everyone’s collected is the explicitly stated problem we’re dealing with.
I get that theyll help new players. So fine, leave em as rewards for lower progression eq/sq/story. But the Paragons and valiants and whatever comes next don't need them if we're gonna get statcasts now. If they just took my shards and traded me say, 1 unit per 100 shards or something id be fine.
At this point I am even fine with battlecast dups giving statcast shards, like 7* champs do with Titan shards. Something on the tune of 3* battlecast dup give 250 Statcast shards 4* Battlecast dup give 375 5* Battlecast dup give 500 I dunno I am just throwing numbers, but it really has to have more value than a bunch of embers.
But people have millions of 6* Battlecast shards. If they're all dupes, that still might equal a hundred thousand statcast shards lol.
I appreciate Mike’s comments here but I don’t think it really changes my feelings on this matter. There has to be a middle ground between “wipe the metaphorical slate clean” and “whales with literal millions of relic shards saved get all 180 relics as soon as they launch without spending an extra dime”. The deep dive stated that there are no plans for new battlecast relics at this point, am I expected to hold on to these shards for another 2 years until you all finally have the time to make new ones and these finally have reasonable value again? If the problem is “too many people have mass relic shards that would trivialize collection”, then letting people sit and collect more shards only exacerbates the problem when you eventually do get around to it, which kinda erodes my trust that it ever will be “worth it” for Kabam to make battlecasts. I don’t see how my aforementioned limited conversion idea is impossible; give the folks who have been saving relic resources for the day y’all finally released new relics a bit of a deserved head start without letting them max out their collections instantly.
And as a bit of an endnote, with no promises of battlecasts coming in the future, this makes battlecast relics shards a bit of a “dead end” resource; eventually you can collect them all and you can reach a point where they have literally no value (technically duping relics gives you a bit of gold and embers but let’s not pretend those really mean much of anything). I don’t think this is something that can be allowed to stand. Champion crystal shards always have value because there’s always new champs to collect, and their associated rank up and level up resources too by the same token. Mysterium, gold, radiance, loyalty, battlechips, they all continually offer some value in getting these always valuable resources. Battlecast shards are now the opposite, where I can reach a point where there is almost literally no more value in collecting them besides speculative hope - and yet Kabam will inevitably continue to offer them as rewards in content like the event and side quest. I strongly urge Kabam to consider this point heavily when considering the future of battlecasts, and realize that trying to kick the can down the road like y’all are doing now will only lead to a more explosive result when things come to a head.
At this point, id be happy if they just removed all battlecasts when statcasts drop. Of course id expect some kind of refund from opening and upgrading them.
Far from my preferred outcome, but I honestly wouldn’t even hate it. I just resent this IOU limbo Kabam is trying to pull, where they’re totally not gonna make battlecasts shards we’ve accumulated useless but also we have no plans on making new battlecasts but just trust us they’re still good rewards for content which is why we’re gonna keep giving them to you despite the fact that the backlog of shards everyone’s collected is the explicitly stated problem we’re dealing with.
I get that theyll help new players. So fine, leave em as rewards for lower progression eq/sq/story. But the Paragons and valiants and whatever comes next don't need them if we're gonna get statcasts now. If they just took my shards and traded me say, 1 unit per 100 shards or something id be fine.
At this point I am even fine with battlecast dups giving statcast shards, like 7* champs do with Titan shards. Something on the tune of 3* battlecast dup give 250 Statcast shards 4* Battlecast dup give 375 5* Battlecast dup give 500 I dunno I am just throwing numbers, but it really has to have more value than a bunch of embers.
But people have millions of 6* Battlecast shards. If they're all dupes, that still might equal a hundred thousand statcast shards lol.
Which loops back to my initial comments of giving them as rewards even if the relic program was terminated lol. Or even worse, selling them.
I think everyone is coming off too hateful to Kung fu hustle right now. I cant honestly believe that you would think he had any control over this decision. He knows why the decision was made and can explain it to us but that doesnt mean you need to direct hate toward him. At the very least separate the community team from company and dev decisions. Everyone is literally shooting the messengers with this one. Most of the best constructive criticism on here addresses kabam as a company or dev team as a whole
I get what you’re saying but Mike used the word “we” implying he did have a say in it. Even if he didn’t, saying we also implies he agrees with it. He could’ve easily said “the game team thought…”
But like you said Jack Black doesn’t deserve some of the flack he’s getting
I appreciate Mike’s comments here but I don’t think it really changes my feelings on this matter. There has to be a middle ground between “wipe the metaphorical slate clean” and “whales with literal millions of relic shards saved get all 180 relics as soon as they launch without spending an extra dime”. The deep dive stated that there are no plans for new battlecast relics at this point, am I expected to hold on to these shards for another 2 years until you all finally have the time to make new ones and these finally have reasonable value again? If the problem is “too many people have mass relic shards that would trivialize collection”, then letting people sit and collect more shards only exacerbates the problem when you eventually do get around to it, which kinda erodes my trust that it ever will be “worth it” for Kabam to make battlecasts. I don’t see how my aforementioned limited conversion idea is impossible; give the folks who have been saving relic resources for the day y’all finally released new relics a bit of a deserved head start without letting them max out their collections instantly.
And as a bit of an endnote, with no promises of battlecasts coming in the future, this makes battlecast relics shards a bit of a “dead end” resource; eventually you can collect them all and you can reach a point where they have literally no value (technically duping relics gives you a bit of gold and embers but let’s not pretend those really mean much of anything). I don’t think this is something that can be allowed to stand. Champion crystal shards always have value because there’s always new champs to collect, and their associated rank up and level up resources too by the same token. Mysterium, gold, radiance, loyalty, battlechips, they all continually offer some value in getting these always valuable resources. Battlecast shards are now the opposite, where I can reach a point where there is almost literally no more value in collecting them besides speculative hope - and yet Kabam will inevitably continue to offer them as rewards in content like the event and side quest. I strongly urge Kabam to consider this point heavily when considering the future of battlecasts, and realize that trying to kick the can down the road like y’all are doing now will only lead to a more explosive result when things come to a head.
At this point, id be happy if they just removed all battlecasts when statcasts drop. Of course id expect some kind of refund from opening and upgrading them.
Far from my preferred outcome, but I honestly wouldn’t even hate it. I just resent this IOU limbo Kabam is trying to pull, where they’re totally not gonna make battlecasts shards we’ve accumulated useless but also we have no plans on making new battlecasts but just trust us they’re still good rewards for content which is why we’re gonna keep giving them to you despite the fact that the backlog of shards everyone’s collected is the explicitly stated problem we’re dealing with.
I get that theyll help new players. So fine, leave em as rewards for lower progression eq/sq/story. But the Paragons and valiants and whatever comes next don't need them if we're gonna get statcasts now. If they just took my shards and traded me say, 1 unit per 100 shards or something id be fine.
At this point I am even fine with battlecast dups giving statcast shards, like 7* champs do with Titan shards. Something on the tune of 3* battlecast dup give 250 Statcast shards 4* Battlecast dup give 375 5* Battlecast dup give 500 I dunno I am just throwing numbers, but it really has to have more value than a bunch of embers.
But people have millions of 6* Battlecast shards. If they're all dupes, that still might equal a hundred thousand statcast shards lol.
Which loops back to my initial comments of giving them as rewards even if the relic program was terminated lol. Or even worse, selling them.
It's a no win situation for players. For kabam? Win win lol.
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Units, as per the usual Odin - bonus gold...
And then 5 relic-based materials.
4 out of 5 of these Relic items can be used on Statcast Relics.
Why are we pretending like Relics were the only rewards in Battlegrounds for 2 years?
Criticize everything you want to, but do so objectively.
Do you think anybody would have bought the relinquary deal had thet known this? Do you think they would have used 4/5 mats on relics instead of saving them for statcasts?
Can you objectively answer those questions as a former player and not an employee?
Radiance, quite literally, fixed the main issue about Battlegrounds rewards.
Enough with the "company man" stuff, dude. I'm sitting here at 3 am my time - way way way way WAY past my work hours having this discussion with you. If you're not going to be respectful, I won't continue.
Do I think anybody would have bought a relic deal consisting of 3,000+ units and 2>3 gems that can be used on the new relics? Yes.
I understand you're upset that Statcasts are using different Shard sources, but you're funneling your anger in the wrong direction.
Do I understand why it can't be the same shards? In a way I do. I know there are way too many battlecast shards out there. I also do understand that it reached a point similar to Solo crystals, it was neglected for so long that buffing them would be counter productive.
Players like me are not asking for the same crystal, not even a 1-1 shard trade off; but at least some kind of trade off that would make the shards worth more than a pile of embers that I have been selling on expiration.
If not even a trade off make it so dupping a battlecast would give statcast shards.
This is just a game, in fact I play multiple games at endgame level
These are but digital resources, I have hoarded so much digital resources in another game that totally became useless the moment I reached endgame status
Am I upset that I can't use these digital resources bcos they have turned totally useless? Not at all bcos I know it's just a game. I don't make myself upset over digital resources or a game
But I do understand the feelings players have towards a game they invested time and money in
You can let your opinions be known to the game team but it's kinda pointless to be upset about it
At the very least separate the community team from company and dev decisions. Everyone is literally shooting the messengers with this one.
Most of the best constructive criticism on here addresses kabam as a company or dev team as a whole
People have been hoarding for months, no kidding they're not gonna use the same shards for them. 🤣🤣
We keep calling battlecast relics as relics as a short form, relics are relics, why do the game developer call them battlecast relics
I have actually read the text carefully, there are subtle hints of different types of relics to be released, it's just that they are so slow in releasing them that battlecast relics are the only relics available
That's why we begin to assume that battlecast relics are the only type of relics available
Players hoards relics shards bcos they thought all along that more battlecast relics will be released, this is bcos there are so many champions available and they can all be made into battlecast relics
Suddenly Kabam announced that no more new battlecast relics will be released and a new type of relic will be released
Just like different champion crystals use different shards
It is logical that different relic crystal will use different shards
Conversion of shards is actually a reasonable request from players, some have suggested a conversion limit or a lower conversion ratio but I believe Kabam wants to monetise the new statcast relics so they don't want any conversion to be made possible
And as a bit of an endnote, with no promises of battlecasts coming in the future, this makes battlecast relics shards a bit of a “dead end” resource; eventually you can collect them all and you can reach a point where they have literally no value (technically duping relics gives you a bit of gold and embers but let’s not pretend those really mean much of anything). I don’t think this is something that can be allowed to stand. Champion crystal shards always have value because there’s always new champs to collect, and their associated rank up and level up resources too by the same token. Mysterium, gold, radiance, loyalty, battlechips, they all continually offer some value in getting these always valuable resources. Battlecast shards are now the opposite, where I can reach a point where there is almost literally no more value in collecting them besides speculative hope - and yet Kabam will inevitably continue to offer them as rewards in content like the event and side quest. I strongly urge Kabam to consider this point heavily when considering the future of battlecasts, and realize that trying to kick the can down the road like y’all are doing now will only lead to a more explosive result when things come to a head.
I guess I was a bit harsh on my side due to being questioned about being objectively.
Anyway I apologized if I sounded as if I was attacking Mike on a personal level.
Just take what Squidopous is saying.
Something on the tune of
3* battlecast dup give 250 Statcast shards
4* Battlecast dup give 375
5* Battlecast dup give 500
I dunno I am just throwing numbers, but it really has to have more value than a bunch of embers.
Or even worse, selling them.
But like you said Jack Black doesn’t deserve some of the flack he’s getting