When Will We See Them as 7*’s?

There are obvious champs that we may never see as 7* (Quake, Herc) and some that may only be released as 7* in monetized events or as special prizes (Magik, Kitty, Wolverine, e.g.) while still others may be on hold because they could be too effective with 7* stats (Hulkling, Scorpion, Valk, e.g.).

But there’s a large-ish group of good to very good champs who aren’t game breaking but can still be effective in their current state as 7*.

For example:

Tech: Nimrod, Silver Centurion, Star-Lord
Mutant: Toad, Jubilee, Cable
Science: Cassie, Miles, Wasp, YJ
Skill: Agent Venom, Stealth Spidey
Cosmic: Champion, Thor, Ikaris
Mystic: Mephisto, Morningstar, Claire Voyant

What’s holding back releasing champs like this in a special crystal or generally?

Dr. Zola

Comments

Kabam (Osaurus) Rex

I've confirmed that each Selector Pull will cost 3x Tokens.
There are more than 3x Tokens this year, so you can obtain more than one.

captain_rogers

By the time we reach 8* level a lot of current mid to slighlty useful champs become completely useless, so they can tune up/buff them. So they wouldn't run out of buffs.

But Thing is they couldn't buff all the mid champs eventually they have to release some like og cap and og daredevil as it is as 7*.

ItsClobberinTime

Yeah but that wouldn't generate the same hype a summoner's choice rework like the current one would. They need to leave some champs that are currently trash bottom of the barrel in the same spot so they can do big reworks and overhauls like they just did with Cyclops (and soon Ghost Rider)
I agree with buffing champs that are currently mid to bad, but the trash ones that are nothing but memes no. Those need to be completely reworked and for obvious reasons they're not going to rush and do all of them before 8*. They also won't release them cause what even is the point? Would you be happy to pull 7* Groot from a Titan in his current state? Lol

Xleb

Thanks Rex

Buttehrs

There's a reason for it that Mike already stated. If they give us all champs in-game as 7* right now, what exactly would there be to look forward to? Also, how would you rank any of them up? There's a reason the game drip feeds you champs and rank up resources. You'd play for a month tops, get bored and delete the game. That's basically a console version of mortal kombat.

FiiNCH

The whole point of the post from Zola is there are a sizeable volume of champions ready to go into the 7* pool without a buff or tune up. He provided a broken down list per class.

ahmynuts

I think the real question they're trying to ask is "what's stopping you from releasing more of the great champions as 7* I.e. Hulkling, Doom, etc."

FiiNCH

Curious Mike, what % of the 6* locked champs have you released into the 7* pool this calendar year? Specifically those you aren’t only making available through sales events.

I understand your points, but I get why @DrZola has made this post. There are a set of champs that don’t need tune ups and can be released. If your strategy is to drip feed them in events over the next 2/3 years then ok, at least we know.

Daddrieda

Was there not a point where kabam said that every 6* champions that wasn’t released as 7* version will be released? What’s stopping you for not releasing those then? I’d like to have a 7* Aegon for an example. I’d love to own a 7* Hercules. It be really fun to play 7* daredevil classic. That’s what the question was about.

FiiNCH

That’s not the question. We all know why that is 💰💰

FiiNCH

This thread isn’t asking for all champs to be released in one go. It’s questioning why certain champs who don’t particularly need a tune up or buff aren’t being released.

ahmynuts

Incoming counter point before it gets used against everyone "you guys just got torch, red guardian, nick fury, fam, galan, and dark phoenix"

Like all but 1 of those was paywalled

ItsClobberinTime

Jubilee, Miles, Yellowjacket, Silver Centurion, Morningstar would be effective as 7*? They're the perfect definition of outdated I don't know what you mean.
I can agree with Nimrod, Claire, Cassie and some others but the others absolutely need tune ups, they're not even close to being good like OP says unless you're currently focusing on Act 4 or something.

FiiNCH

And to add - none of them are in the 7* basic pool, so not available to the player base

FiiNCH

Yep, if you take the list literally, you can argue some of the example champs need a tune up.

But still, there are a bunch of champs who don’t, and could be released. If we need to wait for 1 of the few yearly events then cool, but it’s still a valid question to ask Kabam.

Buttehrs

Its literally why though. They are spacing them out. Not that hard to understand.

FiiNCH

Because the pace we’re on it will take another 2/3 years to see some of these champs…

ItsClobberinTime

And they probably will be, we just have to be patient. They're releasing Zemo this cycle, they released SS on the last one, they're doing it just not at the same pace as they were before when the Titan cycle was different.

ESF

That’s exactly what I was coming here to say — I definitely don’t want to speak for Zola, as the OP. But since we were asked to make the question more clear, that’s my question/concern:

To be clear, I absolutely want Kabam to make money. Because I want the game to exist. I spend as part of my entertainment budget, always have/will.

Yes, 7-stars are released in various ways. Which is great.

But are we really saying that 7-star Human Torch is “released”? Is that really the best phrase to describe what that is?

If a character is in a one of the Key events — which, again, is totally fine, because the game needs to generate revenue, and scarcity has value — is it really accurate to say Nick Fury is “released”?

Again, the reason I care is that at some point, the older characters that aren’t getting any kinds of buffs or reworks/what-not — like Human Torch — should they really be getting paywalled by rarity?

To be clear, I am not saying that about, for example…Dark Phoenix. New character/kit, make money on the release. Go for it. I get it. I want it to happen.

Same with the Eidols and Deathless. Whatever else. Sell it and make money. Keep the game going.

But the old kits — the Thors and Yellowjackets of the world — it’s kinda awkward when those aren’t released by now. Because we hear it and understand: There is no more capacity for extensive reworks. So…those wouldn’t be paywalled. Right?

It feels uncomfortable to me, just thinking about it.

So, yeah, to answer the question, I absolutely do think there should be a dump of a chunk of characters into the 7-star Basic.

I absolutely there should be 7-star Class Crystals. I don’t understand why those don’t exist.

Because we are in 7r4, and while I totally understand a complete rework like Blue Cyclops being placed on the Platinum track and then the Titan crystal — because again, I do want Kabam to make money! I do! — it felt a little bit uncomfortable when Captain Britain’s relatively minor changes were placed on the track. People can certainly disagree with me there, but that felt like a straight-to-basic kit.

That’s where I am. That’s why I agree with the OP — if there’s not a ton of capacity for reworks, and some of those kits are just “fine,” and the two new releases a month are still going…IDK. The Key system, the 7-star Human Torch…IDK, man.

It’s starting to make even me, someone who spends and wants Kabam to make money, a little uncomfortable.

Buttehrs

Which fits right in with when 8* will probably start to be seen. That's part of the entire timeliness of how often they release old champs at the new higher rarity. Its all connected. They have all this timed out in advance. They know the lifecycle.

FiiNCH

We obviously disagree on kabams approach.

7* were released in May 2023, so over 2 years ago. Waiting another 3 years, (or 5 years in total) for all 6* champions to be added to the 7* pool would be questionable to me.

At that point there’s literally no point in releasing them, because as others have said earlier, they’d be completely out of date.

Sambob

You say that last point like it’s a completely ridiculous idea, yet that’s basically what was done with every new star level up until this point… The only reason this seems ridiculous to you now is because many 7* are now paywalled or event locked.

I get you guys have your reasons, but dude, you really need to work on not sounding so condescending to legitimate questions and concerns on the forums.

Wasy1

Why not Doom, kingpin, Magneto? How many years we have to wait for these champs to be released as 7*?

Sambob

Very well said. Dark Phoenix didn’t bother me as much as red guardian, human torch, etc. We were INTRODUCED to her as a paywalled champ. The others, we were introduced to as our favorite champs that we expected to always be able to play.

Then eventually their star level is made irrelevant and essentially we have to pay to continue to use them. It’s scummy. I’d rather them just increase the number of champions developed specifically as paywalled champs instead of paywalling classic champs.

My heart is going to shatter when they inevitably “release” 7* doom for $800 next year

Kabam (Osaurus) Rex

That is not how Champions entered the pool in previous rarities, even when the Champion pool was half as large as it is now; it would be a bit ridiculous and unrealistic to launch 300 Champions in the new rarity all at once.

If you're reading my questions in a condescending tone, then I'm sorry it came across that way.
Tone through text is often interpreted the way you want to be reading it.

It was a legitimate question as to whether that's what was being asked for here -
And if that's what the ask was, I can firmly say that is not going to happen based on various reasons outlined in this thread by myself and others.

Furrymoosen

It's not so much about dropping them all at once as it is about making an existing champion's release more special than a new champion, and then on top of that charging an arm and 36 legs for them. The releases don't need to be as dramatic as they are, and they certainly don't need to be as money hungry. Why can't new rarities just release like they used to?

ESF

So, OK, but you do realize that if we’re going to talk about how kits were released in previous rarities, things like the Platinum track and how 7-star Torch was introduced wasn’t how they were introduced, either?

Again, we get that there is a financial component to all this. Nobody at all is saying, “Hey, you know, you guys should drop 7-star Doom and 7-star Red Magneto into a $4.99 selector. Tomorrow.”

We get it.

But unless I misunderstand the Key system, unless you spend, you didn’t get all six of the last batch with Apocalypse, Nick Fury, etc.

Those kits also aren’t in the Basic.

They weren’t buffed.

Sooooo…that is little bit uncomfortable.

DrZola

Got busy and came back to 50+ responses. Nice.

Bit of a straw man phrasing it that way…I don’t think anyone suggested a “mass drop.”

Personally, I’d like to see some of the champs who could hold their own as is (more or less) added to the Titan as we go. Those that need a little tweak or boost could be added later or included in some of the event crystals (a la Omega Days or Reunion or other similar crystals). Or they could even be platinum pass chase champs like Blue Cyke.

I’d even suggest enlarging the size of the overall Titan pool—especially since champs now remain in the crystal for the same length of time it takes to carry a human baby to term.

But no—not a mass drop. Just work them into the game before we fire up the 8* champs.

Dr. Zola

Kabam (Osaurus) Rex

For sure, and that’s understandable.
Keep in mind - I just announced the Omega Days coming to the Base Pool about 48 hours ago, so while those Champions you just mentioned aren’t in the pool yet, I’d say there’s a solid chance we see them there eventually.

The reality is, this game is in a VERY different place than it was 6 years ago when we were dropping 6 stars. You’re right, double tracks didn’t exist, neither did milestone tracks, etc.
We didn’t have large events celebrating the release of pools of Champions.
There were a small number of game modes, featured 6 star crystals, and that’s about it.

I’m genuinely not sitting here saying “every Champ needs to be released for money and only money.”
Money has nothing to do with what I’m talking about here. Next month, your choice of the Rebirth Champions will be available for free - and they’re even getting buffed and are pretty solid additions.

If you don’t like the addition of “paywalled” Champions, or Champions that require a very high Unit cost, that’s obviously a valid train of thought - however, it’s an entirely different discussion than what’s happening here. Regardless of how they were made available, they were available to be owned at the 7 Star Rarity - even if not widely available yet.

What I’m saying, is that just because there’s a list of Champions that are “fine to release,” (Jubilee, Wasp, etc) that doesn’t mean we should just enable them all in the next build, that wouldn’t be a practical way to roll out the 7 Star Roster.

Kabam (Osaurus) Rex

Also, keep in mind, we used to roll out more older Champions in the Titan… I personally liked that, however, we shifted that strategy so we could include more newer Champions in the Crystal - since the feedback was overwhelmingly rooted in pulling older Champions being a poor Titan experience.

We still see that same sentiment with the small number of older Champions we have in there now (no offense to the Red Hulk fans)