Sabretooth buff

BrickWad_TD44 · August 9

I just wanted to make a post about Sabretooths new buff. A lot of people have said it sucks but I would say otherwise, I know he isn’t very versatile, but his damage is insane when ramped, and is really good in bgs. Just thought I’d show how fast he can do ROL fights as a r5 6* unboosted. I’m so excited for the 7* im definitely going to r4 him. Also to get fully ramped it takes 5-6 fights.

BrickWad_TD44 · August 9

BigPoppaCBONE · August 10

Assuming that's with Sasquatch? Pretty impressive.

For me, his update wasn't enough to bring him off the bench. I wish his random and limited persistent charge had changed to something consistent and useful and he got a real regen. Too bad.

EdisonLaw · August 10

BrickWad_TD44 said:

Was that with the Sasquatch synergy ?

BrickWad_TD44 · August 10

@BigPoppaCBONE yeah, it’s with Sassy. I agree the buff wasn’t very good, definitely needed a regen buff imo. Kinda disappointing, I feel like they could’ve done way more with him. I’m still 100% going to r4 him bc he one of my fav characters, but I would understand if no one ranked him.

BrickWad_TD44 · August 10

@EdisonLaw yep

BigPoppaCBONE · August 10

BrickWad_TD44 said:
@BigPoppaCBONE yeah, it’s with Sassy. I agree the buff wasn’t very good, definitely needed a regen buff imo. Kinda disappointing, I feel like they could’ve done way more with him. I’m still 100% going to r4 him bc he one of my fav characters, but I would understand if no one ranked him.

I know how that is. Rank 4 OG Thanos already and trying to decide if I want to rank 4 OG Deadpool if I throw more sigs into him. If Sabretooth got a real regen, I'd be all over that, but it's still so 💩.

BrickWad_TD44 · August 10

@BigPoppaCBONE Nice, I’m gonna r4 Sabretooth and Zemo once the crucible releases

Ercarret · August 10

I haven't tested him out myself yet so I won't speak on whether or not the buff itself is good, but since there are a lot of complaints about the lack of regen - he is supposed to have gotten a "regen 10% of missing health over 15 seconds" buff to his SP2, right? I can't actually see that in his kit description in-game but it is mentioned in his buff details on the site. So it should be there.

While that is a fair bit slower than Adam Warlock's "regen 10% of missing health over 2 seconds" ability, that still sounds really potent. Especially if the regen effects stack.

ItsClobberinTime · August 10

Well yeah the damage is nuts but where would you even use him in BGs? He has virtually zero utility the only fight he can kinda do is Bullseye and even for that he absolutely needs sig 200.

BrickWad_TD44 · August 10

@Ercarret I just tested it out, and it is very disappointing. You wouldn’t be able to tell u were healing unless u didn’t get touched the whole fight. Just the block damage alone would reverse the healing most likely.

BrickWad_TD44 · August 10

@ItsClobberinTime I would agree with that, but once your at a certain point you can rank up anyone, for any point. I’m done all the content needed, if I need a certain champ to finish something I would just r3 and that would be suffice.

BigPoppaCBONE · August 10

Ercarret said:
I haven't tested him out myself yet so I won't speak on whether or not the buff itself is good, but since there are a lot of complaints about the lack of regen - he is supposed to have gotten a "regen 10% of missing health over 15 seconds" buff to his SP2, right? I can't actually see that in his kit description in-game but it is mentioned in his buff details on the site. So it should be there.

While that is a fair bit slower than Adam Warlock's "regen 10% of missing health over 2 seconds" ability, that still sounds really potent. Especially if the regen effects stack.

Adding "Regen 10% of missing health" to his SP2 on top of his already garbage sig regen should be looked on as unfavorably as leaving a nickel tip for your server at a restaurant. Technically better than no tip at all, but insultingly pitiful like you're trying to send a message.

Armageddøn · August 10

Their excuse is they didn’t have much time to work on his persistent charge mechanic so they just gave him a damage boost and no utility

Well, why choose a complicated character to buff when you’re working on 5 more buffs then? Shoulda picked someone like jubilee or even wolverine and save sabretooth for later and do justice with his rework

ItsClobberinTime · August 10

BrickWad_TD44 said:
@ItsClobberinTime I would agree with that, but once your at a certain point you can rank up anyone, for any point. I’m done all the content needed, if I need a certain champ to finish something I would just r3 and that would be suffice.

I agree with that, but you said he'd be really good in BGs, how exactly? All he can do is Bullseye, he struggles against virtually every other skill defender othen than Nick and KM and even then he's not exactly the best for that.

Ercarret · August 10

BigPoppaCBONE said:

Ercarret said:
I haven't tested him out myself yet so I won't speak on whether or not the buff itself is good, but since there are a lot of complaints about the lack of regen - he is supposed to have gotten a "regen 10% of missing health over 15 seconds" buff to his SP2, right? I can't actually see that in his kit description in-game but it is mentioned in his buff details on the site. So it should be there.

While that is a fair bit slower than Adam Warlock's "regen 10% of missing health over 2 seconds" ability, that still sounds really potent. Especially if the regen effects stack.
Adding "Regen 10% of missing health" to his SP2 on top of his already garbage sig regen should be looked on as unfavorably as leaving a nickel tip for your server at a restaurant. Technically better than no tip at all, but insultingly pitiful like you're trying to send a message.

As someone who has a sig 200 Adam Warlock, who also has 10% regen of missing health each Sp2, I can without the shadow of a doubt attest to it being a very powerful ability to have. It won't ever heal you back up to full so it's not the best for Battlegrounds, but Adam is darn near unkillable in stuff like Necropolis.

Having tested out my 5* Sabretooth, he seems to be pretty similar. As long as he isn't KO'd by whatever hits him, he'll heal back a very significant chunk of it in time. The big upside with his SP2 regen is that you don't need him awakened for that. He just comes with a very strong regen right out of the gate, and then you just gain more regen when you awaken him and as his sig climbs. I'm quite happy with what I've seen while testing out my 5*.

Ercarret · August 10

Here's a video of 5* Sabretooth in ROL. While he won't be quite as tanky as he is in this vid when facing higher attack values in regular content, it still shows just how much he can heal back between the OG regen and the new one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjecrfxTxxI

WednesdayLength · August 10

Armageddøn said:
Their excuse is they didn’t have much time to work on his persistent charge mechanic so they just gave him a damage boost and no utility

Well, why choose a complicated character to buff when you’re working on 5 more buffs then? Shoulda picked someone like jubilee or even wolverine and save sabretooth for later and do justice with his rework

Wolverine and jubilee would need more extensive work and Wolverine would likely be a champ they'd want to do a model update for

Armageddøn · August 10

WednesdayLength said:

Armageddøn said:
Their excuse is they didn’t have much time to work on his persistent charge mechanic so they just gave him a damage boost and no utility

Well, why choose a complicated character to buff when you’re working on 5 more buffs then? Shoulda picked someone like jubilee or even wolverine and save sabretooth for later and do justice with his rework
Wolverine and jubilee would need more extensive work and Wolverine would likely be a champ they'd want to do a model update for

Hoping it doesn't end up like Cyclops

EdisonLaw · August 10

So, is Sabretooth worth the rankup?

WednesdayLength · August 10

Armageddøn said:

WednesdayLength said:

Armageddøn said:
Their excuse is they didn’t have much time to work on his persistent charge mechanic so they just gave him a damage boost and no utility

Well, why choose a complicated character to buff when you’re working on 5 more buffs then? Shoulda picked someone like jubilee or even wolverine and save sabretooth for later and do justice with his rework
Wolverine and jubilee would need more extensive work and Wolverine would likely be a champ they'd want to do a model update for
Hoping it doesn't end up like Cyclops

What do you mean by that

Herbal_Taxman · August 10

EdisonLaw said:
So, is Sabretooth worth the rankup?

I’d just like to take a moment to acknowledge the person who clicked “Insightful” for this comment.

BigPoppaCBONE · August 10

I feel like they spent too much of the limited update time dinking around with his Furies, didn't address his charge mechanic at all, and at the last second, added that bogus regen just to say they did some regen stuff. It still sucks. They cut the crusts off a 💩 sandwich and then put cheese on it. If the time was limited, they should have picked easier champs and/or lifted more existing stuff from other champs instead of adding all new stuff.

Maybe they were going for a Weapon X theme thing, like OG Deadpool is straight regen, X-pool is straight damage, Wolverine is regen with a little bleed, Sabretooth is damage with a little speck of regen? That's fine, but why does his regen have to be worse than Bishop's and who's going to use him without Sasquatch?

BrickWad_TD44 · August 10

@ItsClobberinTime wdym? I dont think skill has the hardest defenders, the only thing he wouldn’t be useful for is robots and champs with purify, but if ramped he doesn’t even need the bleeds.

BrickWad_TD44 · August 10

EdisonLaw said:
So, is Sabretooth worth the rankup?

I would say no, unless you really like Sabretooth like me.

TheMostHated1 · August 10

EdisonLaw said:
So, is Sabretooth worth the rankup?

Unless you just like sabretooth, he ain’t worth it

WednesdayLength · August 10

BigPoppaCBONE said:
I feel like they spent too much of the limited update time dinking around with his Furies, didn't address his charge mechanic at all, and at the last second, added that bogus regen just to say they did some regen stuff. It still sucks. They cut the crusts off a 💩 sandwich and then put cheese on it. If the time was limited, they should have picked easier champs and/or lifted more existing stuff from other champs instead of adding all new stuff.

Maybe they were going for a Weapon X theme thing, like OG Deadpool is straight regen, X-pool is straight damage, Wolverine is regen with a little bleed, Sabretooth is damage with a little speck of regen? That's fine, but why does his regen have to be worse than Bishop's and who's going to use him without Sasquatch?

Changing the persistent charge mechanic would have required way more time testing that they didn't have

BigPoppaCBONE · August 10

WednesdayLength said:

BigPoppaCBONE said:
I feel like they spent too much of the limited update time dinking around with his Furies, didn't address his charge mechanic at all, and at the last second, added that bogus regen just to say they did some regen stuff. It still sucks. They cut the crusts off a 💩 sandwich and then put cheese on it. If the time was limited, they should have picked easier champs and/or lifted more existing stuff from other champs instead of adding all new stuff.

Maybe they were going for a Weapon X theme thing, like OG Deadpool is straight regen, X-pool is straight damage, Wolverine is regen with a little bleed, Sabretooth is damage with a little speck of regen? That's fine, but why does his regen have to be worse than Bishop's and who's going to use him without Sasquatch?
Changing the persistent charge mechanic would have required way more time testing that they didn't have

More testing than everyone already exclusively using him with Sasquatch? I mean outside of testing to make sure they didn't screw it up. They would need to change the Sasquatch synergy, but how hard would that be by comparison?

ItsClobberinTime · August 10

BrickWad_TD44 said:
@ItsClobberinTime wdym? I dont think skill has the hardest defenders, the only thing he wouldn’t be useful for is robots and champs with purify, but if ramped he doesn’t even need the bleeds.

He has nothing to counter: Attuma, Korg, Yelena, Lumatrix, Dust, Capt. Britain, Jean, Sinister, Onslaught, Gentle, Domino, High Evolutionary, MODOK, Ham, Spider Woman, Photon, Thing, Enchantress, Man-Thing, Dark Phoenix, Maestro, Serpent, Thanos

So how exactly is he good for BGs? He's all raw damage no utility and he isn't a nuke like Starky where the damage output is so huge the fight is over in four combos to even justify his lack of utility, Sabretooth requires ramp first and he has no utility. He will be as bad as he already was before, nothing changed other than he can do Bullseye and even for that he needs sig 200 and still won't be as good as Gentle Sinister and others. He has no use in BGs unless you play in the bottom BGs VT tiers where people place Hit-Monkey and Falcon on defense.

BrickWad_TD44 · August 10

ItsClobberinTime said:

BrickWad_TD44 said:
@ItsClobberinTime wdym? I dont think skill has the hardest defenders, the only thing he wouldn’t be useful for is robots and champs with purify, but if ramped he doesn’t even need the bleeds.
He has nothing to counter: Attuma, Korg, Yelena, Lumatrix, Dust, Capt. Britain, Jean, Sinister, Onslaught, Gentle, Domino, High Evolutionary, MODOK, Ham, Spider Woman, Photon, Thing, Enchantress, Man-Thing, Dark Phoenix, Maestro, Serpent, Thanos

So how exactly is he good for BGs? He's all raw damage no utility and he isn't a nuke like Starky where the damage output is so huge the fight is over in four combos to even justify his lack of utility, Sabretooth requires ramp first and he has no utility. He will be as bad as he already was before, nothing changed other than he can do Bullseye and even for that he needs sig 200 and still won't be as good as Gentle Sinister and others. He has no use in BGs unless you play in the bottom BGs VT tiers where people place Hit-Monkey and Falcon on defense.

At a certain point you can rank whoever, for what ever. He’s useful in bgs in the sense that if they aren’t a defender that is bleed immune he will most definitely cook them, the problem with this game is that they make characters so OP that they have to give them a counter the next month lmao. If your only interest is bgs then obviously you would rank your annoying defenders, fact of the matter is his damage is good. Do you realize how every new champ they add is either a top defender, or a specific counter for a defender. And if they aren’t one of those they are considered bad. I think they should shy away from that bc it gets really annoying, it’s like an infinite loop.

Squidopus · August 10

ItsClobberinTime said:

BrickWad_TD44 said:
@ItsClobberinTime wdym? I dont think skill has the hardest defenders, the only thing he wouldn’t be useful for is robots and champs with purify, but if ramped he doesn’t even need the bleeds.
He has nothing to counter: Attuma, Korg, Yelena, Lumatrix, Dust, Capt. Britain, Jean, Sinister, Onslaught, Gentle, Domino, High Evolutionary, MODOK, Ham, Spider Woman, Photon, Thing, Enchantress, Man-Thing, Dark Phoenix, Maestro, Serpent, Thanos

So how exactly is he good for BGs? He's all raw damage no utility and he isn't a nuke like Starky where the damage output is so huge the fight is over in four combos to even justify his lack of utility, Sabretooth requires ramp first and he has no utility. He will be as bad as he already was before, nothing changed other than he can do Bullseye and even for that he needs sig 200 and still won't be as good as Gentle Sinister and others. He has no use in BGs unless you play in the bottom BGs VT tiers where people place Hit-Monkey and Falcon on defense.

I haven’t tried out Sabertooth yet but I keep seeing people say he can at least take Bullseye but I have no idea how he would. Are people just looking at the fact that his sig regens blocked crit damage? Because even if we ignore the fact that the big problem with Bullseye’s sp1 is the Bleeds and not the crit damage, there’s also the fact that that regen takes a whole 25 seconds to do its job and falls off if you can’t keep hitting the opponent. You’ll never guess which champion has an annoying evade ability that makes it very difficult to keep hitting him consistently.

Sabertooth’s buff looks interesting enough in longer form content but I’m in agreement that it really doesn’t look like he has anything going on that would make him useful in shorter form content like BGs. People always talk about damage this and damage that and Kabam keeps making noodle attackers but utility is very much king at the end of the day and Sabertooth has almost none to speak of.

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