Alliance Quest Miniboss and Sentinel Refresh - April 2018 - Discussion Thread [Updated April 13]

Summoners,

We've just announced a small refresh of Alliance Quests that will start April 2nd. This will include new Minibosses, and a farewell to our Symbioid friends!

Read all about it, then ask your questions!

UPDATE:
We've just posted an update in regards to your feedback on Alliance Quests. This post includes some adjustments to Sentinels and Alliance Quests that will be coming with the next series (Starting April 18th). Take a look right here: http://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/62626/upcoming-adjustments-to-alliance-quests-april-18th-2018

Comments

Fromundacheez13

But any armor break champs work well on sentinels and I even had no problem with x23 on map 5....also blade with GR synergy is beastly against them

Fromundacheez13

Sp1 and sp2 are easy to evade the majority of ppl that post in the forums just suck at the game

Maat1985

Need to remember the part about class advantage!!!!!
Very very useful and important....

More useful than any armour break or anything else

DTT

Fromundacheez13 wrote: »

Sp1 and sp2 are easy to evade the majority of ppl that post in the forums just suck at the game

I'm not one of the best but I'm better than average. The sp2 is hard to evade. I've only managed it once. You shouldn't have to be ridiculously skilled to make it through AQ.

Maat1985

To make it through map 5 and 6 you should need damn good skills.... and it is tricky but can be done.... easier than war machine sp1.....

GroundedWisdom

DNA3000 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

DNA3000 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

It's only hard because it's new.

Its harder because it is harder. It would be an exaggeration to say tons of people are going to quit over it, but anyone who thinks Sentinels are not harder than Syms either has a very peculiar psychological aversion to Syms or has no idea how to judge difficulty in the game. And I say that without exempting the developers from that statement.

The point I'm trying to bring home is we will adjust, and it doesn't usually take that long.

I understand your point. However, that point is orthogonal to the question of whether the content is now harder. Regardless of whether it is easier or harder, you can almost always say that. It doesn't contradict, or even address, the question of whether the content is harder in an unjustifiable way.

More importantly, if your point is that people will adjust, then I don't see why you would try to make that point by saying "it's only hard because it's new" because that statement is false, and doesn't support your point at all.

It's not false to say that. It's a challenge because we're not used to the Sentinels being in AQ. It will just take time to adjust. The Sentinlels themselves are new, as in their move set, but there's nothing particularly new or challenging about them, aside from their Immunity, and a couple distinct characteristics. The real challenge is getting used to their moves enough to gain efficiency in AQ. That just takes experience. Personally I'm not bothered by switching to them. The whole point of a change is to freshen it up. Had it been Champs that we are used to or something we have already fought many times, that would defeat the entire purpose of changing them. They're challenging, in the sense that they're relatively new to The Contest, but that just takes practice. As with any change, it's being exaggerated. People are bored when things are repetitive, personally offended when they're changed, and expectant of remuneration if growth is presented. Lol. Not all people, but that's the general concensus. If it didn't have an element of new challenge, there would be no sense in switching. So, I suppose the only challenge isn't that they're new, I guess. At least in the literal sense. That's the greater challenge. People will have to adjust. Adjustment usually comes easily, with a great deal of resistance. Lol.

GroundedWisdom

DNA3000 wrote: »

DarkestDestroyer wrote: »

DNA3000 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

DNA3000 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

It's only hard because it's new.

Its harder because it is harder. It would be an exaggeration to say tons of people are going to quit over it, but anyone who thinks Sentinels are not harder than Syms either has a very peculiar psychological aversion to Syms or has no idea how to judge difficulty in the game. And I say that without exempting the developers from that statement.

The point I'm trying to bring home is we will adjust, and it doesn't usually take that long.

I understand your point. However, that point is orthogonal to the question of whether the content is now harder. Regardless of whether it is easier or harder, you can almost always say that. It doesn't contradict, or even address, the question of whether the content is harder in an unjustifiable way.

More importantly, if your point is that people will adjust, then I don't see why you would try to make that point by saying "it's only hard because it's new" because that statement is false, and doesn't support your point at all.

Why you even bothered if a couple extra fights are harder?

The rewards didn’t need to be adjusted, AQ did because it was boring and repetitive.

What’s your problem? I’m guessing you could finish all sentinels in the event quest difficulties?

If so how can you smash an Uncollected sentinel and say a low level pi one is a hard fight? Like really!?

Apparently, my problem is that I am compelled to point out facts which agitate other forum posters.

I'm not responsible for the reactions of others. I was trying to be enlightening more than agitating. I could have chosen much more curt words. Lol.

Maat1985

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

DNA3000 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

DNA3000 wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

It's only hard because it's new.

Its harder because it is harder. It would be an exaggeration to say tons of people are going to quit over it, but anyone who thinks Sentinels are not harder than Syms either has a very peculiar psychological aversion to Syms or has no idea how to judge difficulty in the game. And I say that without exempting the developers from that statement.

The point I'm trying to bring home is we will adjust, and it doesn't usually take that long.

I understand your point. However, that point is orthogonal to the question of whether the content is now harder. Regardless of whether it is easier or harder, you can almost always say that. It doesn't contradict, or even address, the question of whether the content is harder in an unjustifiable way.

More importantly, if your point is that people will adjust, then I don't see why you would try to make that point by saying "it's only hard because it's new" because that statement is false, and doesn't support your point at all.

It's not false to say that. It's a challenge because we're not used to the Sentinels being in AQ. It will just take time to adjust. The Sentinlels themselves are new, as in their move set, but there's nothing particularly new or challenging about them, aside from their Immunity, and a couple distinct characteristics. The real challenge is getting used to their moves enough to gain efficiency in AQ. That just takes experience. Personally I'm not bothered by switching to them. The whole point of a change is to freshen it up. Had it been Champs that we are used to or something we have already fought many times, that would defeat the entire purpose of changing them. They're challenging, in the sense that they're relatively new to The Contest, but that just takes practice. As with any change, it's being exaggerated. People are bored when things are repetitive, personally offended when they're changed, and expectant of remuneration if growth is presented. Lol. Not all people, but that's the general concensus. If it didn't have an element of new challenge, there would be no sense in switching. So, I suppose the only challenge isn't that they're new, I guess. At least in the literal sense. That's the greater challenge. People will have to adjust. Adjustment usually comes easily, with a great deal of resistance. Lol.

I disagree a hell of alot with most of what i see you say on this forum.

But

I cannot aggree more with what you have said in this statement.
You nailed it pretty well here.

Onerednovember

Refreshing is nice. Making champions useless without compensation it's not.

1. When you first announce these changes I always stated that m6 would have the potential to become easier than m5. Does that make sense for a game developer?;
2. These changes also make some champions useless, specially those who rely on bleeding and poison damage (please don't answer me that I still can use them in missions or arena, please, just don't do that);
3. we spent units and resources to grow in a certain direction (deep wounds; ranking 4* wolverine and GP, etc.). No compensation;
4. You increase overall difficulty without increasing the rewards or reducing the map costs. IMO it makes no sense;
5. The gameplay is awful atm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVlXiBztkIk
My opinion about this topic

Maat1985

This is why you should always have a diverse roster.... i used AA before.... now i may replace him with medusa.... easy done....
But i will prob still use my GR for the majority of fights....

GroundedWisdom

Onerednovember wrote: »

Refreshing is nice. Making champions useless without compensation it's not.

1. When you first announce these changes I always stated that m6 would have the potential to become easier than m5. Does that make sense for a game developer?;
2. These changes also make some champions useless, specially those who rely on bleeding and poison damage (please don't answer me that I still can use them in missions or arena, please, just don't do that);
3. we spent units and resources to grow in a certain direction (deep wounds; ranking 4* wolverine and GP, etc.). No compensation;
4. You increase overall difficulty without increasing the rewards or reducing the map costs. IMO it makes no sense;
5. The gameplay is awful atm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVlXiBztkIk
My opinion about this topic

People Rank whoever they want for their own reasons. There is nothing to compensate. Further to that, you would have a hard time convincing me of how GP and Wolverine are no longer useful.

Maat1985

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Onerednovember wrote: »

Refreshing is nice. Making champions useless without compensation it's not.

1. When you first announce these changes I always stated that m6 would have the potential to become easier than m5. Does that make sense for a game developer?;
2. These changes also make some champions useless, specially those who rely on bleeding and poison damage (please don't answer me that I still can use them in missions or arena, please, just don't do that);
3. we spent units and resources to grow in a certain direction (deep wounds; ranking 4* wolverine and GP, etc.). No compensation;
4. You increase overall difficulty without increasing the rewards or reducing the map costs. IMO it makes no sense;
5. The gameplay is awful atm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVlXiBztkIk
My opinion about this topic

People Rank whoever they want for their own reasons. There is nothing to compensate. Further to that, you would have a hard time convincing me of how GP and Wolverine are no longer useful.

Of course they are no longer useful..... i only ever used these guys to fight symbiods.... never used em for anything else.... i thought thats wat we all did....

Badrose

Be forced to bring specific champions is stupid, even more stupid if you think at the bleed/poison path. Those stupid Sentinels prevent some guys to kill bosses, so for some allies Map5 will be VERY complicated, especially for the ones who run Map5 with few (or none) 5s champions. For them, AQ and AW at the same time will be painful, so stop thinking about your big **** only and see the big picture. Sentinels made AQ way more harder.

GroundedWisdom

I should hope that a Boss Killer that runs Map 5 could get past an Immune Champ.

Maat1985

Badrose wrote: »

Be forced to bring specific champions is stupid, even more stupid if you think at the bleed/poison path. Those stupid Sentinels prevent some guys to kill bosses, so for some allies Map5 will be VERY complicated, especially for the ones who run Map5 with few (or none) 5s champions. For them, AQ and AW at the same time will be painful, so stop thinking about your big **** only and see the big picture. Sentinels made AQ way more harder.

Well then maybe they were only lucky they happened to have a specific champ that enabled them to do map5 when they really didnt have the skill required for it...
Map 5 and 6 should only be for those with good skill....
And of course you should need the right champs...
My allie runs map2 while aw attack to cater
For those that do not yet have the rosters....
Play to your level.... rather than complain the next level is too hard for you

Speeds80

My 11m alliance hasn’t failed a map 5 on day 5 in months, we have had people run out of item use today... saying that the games controls are horrible half of my alliance have had fights including myself where block just failed several times, I had one guy fight an av who could not get one block, fix the games major issues on control unreliability/lag before you bring in this bs

Lila_moreira24

Só pode estar de brincadeira, bela porcaria que fizeram, até agora não vi a necessidade dessa ladainha toda, perdemos o gosto de jogar AQ assim como perdemos da AW. MTC ja foi melhor.

Karakanli

So diversity and change, everythings alright. Getting used to those sentinels - why call them sentiloids when they are simple and pure sentinels? - yes, of course.

On day 5 this will gonna be a pure crazy run and I personally dont get why EVERY node on the whole map besides the semis and the boss should be a lazy cruise compared to some of the class specific sentinels and their abilities.

Given its a Feature, a mystic Sentinel permaperforming SP2 with triggering abilities on blocked SP and so with no possibity to Act at all on your own is definately overdone. Its the advanced Version of the widely discussed MD, Dexterity, PowerGain thing but far worse as evading even increases the sentinels Power gain. So no Block, no evade, just let your face get slapped?

Nicolex

Cool
Nice then atlast hot

Badrose

Maat1985 wrote: »

Badrose wrote: »

Be forced to bring specific champions is stupid, even more stupid if you think at the bleed/poison path. Those stupid Sentinels prevent some guys to kill bosses, so for some allies Map5 will be VERY complicated, especially for the ones who run Map5 with few (or none) 5s champions. For them, AQ and AW at the same time will be painful, so stop thinking about your big **** only and see the big picture. Sentinels made AQ way more harder.

Well then maybe they were only lucky they happened to have a specific champ that enabled them to do map5 when they really didnt have the skill required for it...

It is the exact opposite. Guys with good skill can do whatever they want. Guys with big 5s or big wallet are not skilled at all (at least not so many). The very well known youtuber is a classic example of a guy who can only run through the contest thanks to the use of items and a very mid skill.

Karakanli

Is there a science hero with power control abilites btw?

pseudosane

Kabam is ultimately a business and needs to make it's products profitable. I don't blame Kabam for trying to monetize the game. However, I feel the way to monetize mobile games is by enticing spending for the impatient: want more energy, buy it; want more shots at the newest champ, buy them; want a featured offer, buy it, etc.

Kabam is constantly attempting to force spending on this game and most of us will not spend just because we're being backed into a corner. I am more prone to quit the game than spend on AQ. In fact, I absolutely refuse to spend on AQ. If Kabam only wants to cater to the whales then let the whales keep spending until the game dies from the mass exodus that is imminent.

When a bug/exploit exists that helps the player Kabam can fix it within 48 hours. When bugs exists that hurt the player/increase revenue Kabam is "working on it" for weeks or months. Frequently a bug fix is announced and the bug is still present. This is a blatant "we fix what costs us, we leave what profits us" attitude toward the player base.

The majority of players seem to dislike the Sentinels for one reason or another and Kabam just doesn't get it. I personally dislike fighting Sentinels because the fights are tedious and boring. I did 100% Uncollected EQ. I didn't struggle much with the Sentinels besides the 2.2 boss. However, I also found the Sentinel fights tedious, boring and most importantly - not fun. Fun is what most of us want from a game. Sentinels take that away imo.

I think the development team is forced to develop difficult content without providing adequate rewards due to pressure from the penny pinchers at the top. I highly doubt the penny pinchers themselves are gamers as they seem to have no idea what the community wants.

My stance is simple. If Sentinels stay in AQ in their current iteration, I will leave the game behind and regain a portion of my life. I want to have fun when I play a game. MCoC hasn't been fun for about a year now. I have only stayed this long out of loyalty to my alliance with the hopes that Kabam would address the myraid problems with this game. They have not. Will Kabam miss my ~$150/year spent on the game? Probably not. Irrelevant to me.

Maat1985

Karakanli wrote: »

So diversity and change, everythings alright. Getting used to those sentinels - why call them sentiloids when they are simple and pure sentinels? - yes, of course.

On day 5 this will gonna be a pure crazy run and I personally dont get why EVERY node on the whole map besides the semis and the boss should be a lazy cruise compared to some of the class specific sentinels and their abilities.

Given its a Feature, a mystic Sentinel permaperforming SP2 with triggering abilities on blocked SP and so with no possibity to Act at all on your own is definately overdone. Its the advanced Version of the widely discussed MD, Dexterity, PowerGain thing but far worse as evading even increases the sentinels Power gain. So no Block, no evade, just let your face get slapped?

They are quire different to the regular sentinel... abilities are much different and differ with class... they have no sp3.... they are plain and simply much different and not the same as regular sentinel.

Maat1985

I a few weeks everyone will have learnt how to best cope with these guys and there will be no problem....
Just put some focus and thought in and lets learn how to adapt....

When life throws you lemons.... make lemonade.....

When life throws you oranges dont try and make lemonade.....
Learn how to make orange juice.....

Karakanli

So they are exactly the same as the class diverse sentinels in Last months event... yeah?
But thanks for answering the least important sentence in my post.

And oranges can also be used for ORANGE lemonade 😉

Maat1985

Karakanli wrote: »

Is there a science hero with power control abilites btw?

To an extent there is quake.... as she doesnt need hit her target therefore stopping power gain.....
Luke cage with exhaustion ...

Maat1985

Karakanli wrote: »

So they are exactly the same as the class diverse sentinels in Last months event... yeah?
But thanks for answering the least important sentence in my post.

And oranges can also be used for ORANGE lemonade 😉

Amd yes same as wat we have been fighting in EQ....

CeresCPH

Thank you ..... not!!

We dont need a lame increase in difficulty without getting better rewards! This update is an excellent example of how you game developers are only looking at a very narrow adjustment instead of looking at the full picture.

This is disrespectful to us players! Sentinels is a great feature but only if they are a introduced as a minor thing to a bigger makeover of the current AQ layout including rewards.

I am about to say that this approach is similar to your poor handling of the version 12 nerf!

Fix it, please! (Turn back to symbiods until the rewards are updated at least).

Karakanli

Thanks for the champs @Maat1985 😃

So, they created diversity by including some Sentinelloids 😏 (ok?) that Force u to bring one or maybe two specific champs to Master one path in each tier? Wow thats so well done and so much of a change 🤣🤣🤣

Maat1985

Luke cage is also kick ass to kill dorm and is bleed immune.... quake is amazing for alot if you know how to use her....
At the moment personally i am going to see what works best out of
GR, Blade, Luke Cage
Or
Medusa, GR, Luke Cage