5* question: Awaken or hold out?

So I recently got a 5* cosmic gem from the master rift (I know, that’s the luckiest thing ever) and I was wondering what to do with it. My only 5* cosmic is Ronan and I have the t4cc to 550/345 one cosmic.

Do I: wait for a god tier cosmic like hypes from next months 10% drop rate crystals and awaken/take up them, or awaken/take up Ronan right now?

Comments

The_Grandmaster

If you use one of the most valuable resources in game on Ronan you will be kicking yourself in the arse when you dupe him from your next 5 star crystal.

Blitzkilla420

hold on to it. wait for medusa or when they buff carnage

KaanG95

What %10 drop rate crystals?

TheRealmKeeper

Hold out for Hyperion or Medusa and slap yourself for considering Ronan

Spurgeon14

Using a 5* awakening gem for a champ you wouldn't take up seeems silly to me. And Ronan isn't worth 5* awakening gem since those are fairly rare. Hold unto it for now.

Mr_Otter

Ronan… technically this could be a smart move. One of the hardest paths in the game are the explosive personality ones in 5.4 but a Duped Ronan could in theory make them a LOT easier.

Hyperion REALLY doesn’t “need” a gem and Medusa kinda only has bleeds and anti-sentinel for her outside defense as Hela/Angela are in theory roughly as strong as her both without dupes and Angela especially is already anti-Sentinel…

Ronan however is mostly unique in his niche as arguably the best chain stunner even above Hulk and not just another heavy hitter and popular defender that ultimately just hurts diversity when overused. Plus I believe he makes that last Ultron fight pretty easy.

Kinda on the fence but dupe him or Medusa… definitely not Hyperion though cause other cosmic champs can use it better

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Solswerd

KaanG95 wrote: »

What %10 drop rate crystals?

I think the OP is referring to the Infinity Dungeon crystals

Mr_Otter

_ASDF_ wrote: »

Using that on Roman equates to awakening SheHulk or Netflix DD. What a terrible idea.

Um… not quite

Just because he’s not too tier doesn’t mean he’s trash. Ronan is a niche pick. As in he’s not another heavy hitter but he has unique utility.

For example: Classic DD is objectively a TERRIBLE champion. Small damage even when critting it using specials, no control, no regen, and a VERY situational ability. But when fighting Collector most people who have him, have him ranked and duped specifically for that fight.

Similar to Ronan: easily abuses the buffs from challenge nodes, destroys champions that always have buffs (Vulture, Sabertooth, Phoenix, and both the new black order champs with their accuracy), and fully ranked can punish 5.4 Ultron and easily cruise through Explosive Personality lanes in 5.4 which are just awful! Not to mention breakthrough paths he just carves through…

4/40 Ronan decimated Gamora and Groot in the challenge the former being able to chip down my voodoo (5/50) almost all the way with a few early blocks

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Jaded

Mr_Otter wrote: »

_ASDF_ wrote: »

Using that on Roman equates to awakening SheHulk or Netflix DD. What a terrible idea.

Um… not quite

Just because he’s not too tier doesn’t mean he’s trash. Ronan is a niche pick. As in he’s not another heavy hitter but he has unique utility.

For example: Classic DD is objectively a TERRIBLE champion. Small damage even when critting it using specials, no control, no regen, and a VERY situational ability. But when fighting Collector most people who have him, have him ranked and duped specifically for that fight.

Similar to Ronan: easily abuses the buffs from challenge nodes, destroys champions that always have buffs (Vulture, Sabertooth, Phoenix, and both the new black order champs with their accuracy), and fully ranked can punish 5.4 Ultron and easily cruise through Explosive Personality lanes in 5.4 which are just awful! Not to mention breakthrough paths he just carves through…

4/40 Ronan decimated Gamora and Groot in the challenge the former being able to chip down my voodoo (5/50) almost all the way with a few early blocks

Advocating his usefulness is fine but he’s not worth a gem and with what champs are available in the basic 5* crystal for cosmics there are way better options to hold out for.

Mr_Otter

Jaded wrote: »

Mr_Otter wrote: »

_ASDF_ wrote: »

Using that on Roman equates to awakening SheHulk or Netflix DD. What a terrible idea.

Um… not quite

Just because he’s not too tier doesn’t mean he’s trash. Ronan is a niche pick. As in he’s not another heavy hitter but he has unique utility.

For example: Classic DD is objectively a TERRIBLE champion. Small damage even when critting it using specials, no control, no regen, and a VERY situational ability. But when fighting Collector most people who have him, have him ranked and duped specifically for that fight.

Similar to Ronan: easily abuses the buffs from challenge nodes, destroys champions that always have buffs (Vulture, Sabertooth, Phoenix, and both the new black order champs with their accuracy), and fully ranked can punish 5.4 Ultron and easily cruise through Explosive Personality lanes in 5.4 which are just awful! Not to mention breakthrough paths he just carves through…

4/40 Ronan decimated Gamora and Groot in the challenge the former being able to chip down my voodoo (5/50) almost all the way with a few early blocks

Advocating his usefulness is fine but he’s not worth a gem and with what champs are available in the basic 5* crystal for cosmics there are way better options to hold out for.

I’m sorry is there anyone besides damage dealers you wanna spout off?

Hulk, Rulk and Gulk are varying degrees of boss killers, LC is just a killer, and let’s not forget void

Hyperion is basically gold standard for heavy hitter without a gem, and Medusa only has bursts she’s really hard hitting and some of that is Bleed

Angela and Hela are both insanely hard hitting unduped cosmics

AA, Storm, X23, NC, and Sabertooth are savages in mutant

Skill has Blade a champion that thrives off his niches not to mention GP and Elektra

Tech has Starlord and Sparky… I could stop there but Yondu and Green Goblin exist too

Mystic… well let’s face it they made Blade for a reason and gave concussion a boost for a reason!

Most of these guys can easily compare at LEAST to Duped Medusa just by consistency with a slight of utility even when unduped and Duped a lot could arguably compare to Hype (even some unduped can kinda argue that).

What do those 3 specifically have (aside proxima cause I’ll agree she’s nuts) besides damage that separates them from the leagues of other heavy hitters mostly on par with them but also generally more consistent or having much more utility?

Ronan literally walks through bosses and parts of challenges with no effort required. Even RAGE paths 5.4, yanno… where heavy hitters are basically dead weight?

Hyperion? NO
Medusa? Robots?
Proxima? I might give her the pass

They’re just heavy hitters which most people uncollected already have 5 of not counting DoT champs like GP, AA, and Voodoo… but a champion that can literally turn “hard content” against itself? Any buff not passive instantly a death sentence? I could probably do a full 1/5 to 1/4 of the paths in Act5 ENTIRELY with just Ronan for the most part without paying attention…

Mr_Otter

TL;DR

Proxima maybe worth it but Medusa is meh compared to Hype and giving Hype a little more damage “potential” when so many other heavy hitters can compare thanks to damage and utility Ronan is more worthy of a gem thanks to his utility compared to all but pricing jsut being “another heavy hitter without wide spread utility”

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Mr_Otter

_ASDF_ wrote: »

Mr_Otter wrote: »

_ASDF_ wrote: »

Using that on Roman equates to awakening SheHulk or Netflix DD. What a terrible idea.

Um… not quite

Just because he’s not too tier doesn’t mean he’s trash. Ronan is a niche pick. As in he’s not another heavy hitter but he has unique utility.

For example: Classic DD is objectively a TERRIBLE champion. Small damage even when critting it using specials, no control, no regen, and a VERY situational ability. But when fighting Collector most people who have him, have him ranked and duped specifically for that fight.

Similar to Ronan: easily abuses the buffs from challenge nodes, destroys champions that always have buffs (Vulture, Sabertooth, Phoenix, and both the new black order champs with their accuracy), and fully ranked can punish 5.4 Ultron and easily cruise through Explosive Personality lanes in 5.4 which are just awful! Not to mention breakthrough paths he just carves through…

4/40 Ronan decimated Gamora and Groot in the challenge the former being able to chip down my voodoo (5/50) almost all the way with a few early blocks

Blah blah blah. Who, of every player in MCOC would choose to use the rarest of items on Ronan over Medusa, hela, Proxima or even Angela for prestige. I guarantee my 5* Angela will cut down any enemies 3 times faster than Ronan. He’s barely middle of fhe road, barely above trash. I was trying to hammer away the point with my post. “He’s niche” means he’s trash and is only useful to stun. Many champs stun and my Hulk does that far better.

Oh you’re that kind of player. Prestige LOL! Hawkeye was my go to for almsot a year and first 5/50. Got the job done and looked good doing it when no one else could.

Mordo is niche
Blade is nice
Guillotine is niche
Dormammu is a HUGE niche

Every champ to an extent is NICHE!
Pack Resonate and suddenly a 5/50/99 BW is niche compared to Elektra

But 100% and long enough Sp1 is still unique to Ronan and I’d rather take a guarenteed easy path over shorter easy to slip up if Kabam decides to be Kabam

Jaded

Mr_Otter wrote: »

Jaded wrote: »

Mr_Otter wrote: »

_ASDF_ wrote: »

Using that on Roman equates to awakening SheHulk or Netflix DD. What a terrible idea.

Um… not quite

Just because he’s not too tier doesn’t mean he’s trash. Ronan is a niche pick. As in he’s not another heavy hitter but he has unique utility.

For example: Classic DD is objectively a TERRIBLE champion. Small damage even when critting it using specials, no control, no regen, and a VERY situational ability. But when fighting Collector most people who have him, have him ranked and duped specifically for that fight.

Similar to Ronan: easily abuses the buffs from challenge nodes, destroys champions that always have buffs (Vulture, Sabertooth, Phoenix, and both the new black order champs with their accuracy), and fully ranked can punish 5.4 Ultron and easily cruise through Explosive Personality lanes in 5.4 which are just awful! Not to mention breakthrough paths he just carves through…

4/40 Ronan decimated Gamora and Groot in the challenge the former being able to chip down my voodoo (5/50) almost all the way with a few early blocks

Advocating his usefulness is fine but he’s not worth a gem and with what champs are available in the basic 5* crystal for cosmics there are way better options to hold out for.

I’m sorry is there anyone besides damage dealers you wanna spout off?

Hyperion is basically gold standard for heavy hitter without a gem, and Medusa only has bursts she’s really hard hitting and some of that is Bleed

Angela and Hela are both insanely hard hitting unduped

Most of these guys can easily compare at LEAST to Duped Medusa just by consistency with a slight of utility even when unduped and Duped a lot could arguably compare to Hype (even some unduped can kinda argue that).

What do those 3 specifically have (aside proxima cause I’ll agree she’s nuts) besides damage that separates them from the leagues of other heavy hitters mostly on par with them but also generally more consistent or having much more utility?

Ronan literally walks through bosses and parts of challenges with no effort required. Even RAGE paths 5.4, yanno… where heavy hitters are basically dead weight?

Hyperion? NO
Medusa? Robots?
Proxima? I might give her the pass

They’re just heavy hitters which most people uncollected already have 5 of not counting DoT champs like GP, AA, and Voodoo… but a champion that can literally turn “hard content” against itself? Any buff not passive instantly a death sentence? I could probably do a full 1/5 to 1/4 of the paths in Act5 ENTIRELY with just Ronan for the most part without paying attention…

Lol talking about a cosmic ag not any other class or generics. So I deleted all the pointless parts of the other classes.

Have you used a Hyperion without his signature ability? It’s annoying. Short power gain, short fury stacks. Barely get anything off before you have to throw a heavy again. Also a 5* Hyperion signature ability scales way higher then a 4* making it pretty useful.

Am I only going to talk about damage dealers? I’m sorry I think you’re playing the wrong game. It’s all about damage dealing. The more damage you deal the faster the fight the less mistakes you’ll make. Yes use a gem on Hyperion.

Medusa also needs the gem. Why? Because then she can end fights faster. That’s the point of the game! She has more overall uses then a duped Ronan.

So yes save it.

Don’t use it on Ronan, you’ll regret it.

Mr_Otter

Jaded wrote: »

Mr_Otter wrote: »

Jaded wrote: »

Mr_Otter wrote: »

_ASDF_ wrote: »

Using that on Roman equates to awakening SheHulk or Netflix DD. What a terrible idea.

Um… not quite

Just because he’s not too tier doesn’t mean he’s trash. Ronan is a niche pick. As in he’s not another heavy hitter but he has unique utility.

For example: Classic DD is objectively a TERRIBLE champion. Small damage even when critting it using specials, no control, no regen, and a VERY situational ability. But when fighting Collector most people who have him, have him ranked and duped specifically for that fight.

Similar to Ronan: easily abuses the buffs from challenge nodes, destroys champions that always have buffs (Vulture, Sabertooth, Phoenix, and both the new black order champs with their accuracy), and fully ranked can punish 5.4 Ultron and easily cruise through Explosive Personality lanes in 5.4 which are just awful! Not to mention breakthrough paths he just carves through…

4/40 Ronan decimated Gamora and Groot in the challenge the former being able to chip down my voodoo (5/50) almost all the way with a few early blocks

Advocating his usefulness is fine but he’s not worth a gem and with what champs are available in the basic 5* crystal for cosmics there are way better options to hold out for.

I’m sorry is there anyone besides damage dealers you wanna spout off?

Hyperion is basically gold standard for heavy hitter without a gem, and Medusa only has bursts she’s really hard hitting and some of that is Bleed

Angela and Hela are both insanely hard hitting unduped

Most of these guys can easily compare at LEAST to Duped Medusa just by consistency with a slight of utility even when unduped and Duped a lot could arguably compare to Hype (even some unduped can kinda argue that).

What do those 3 specifically have (aside proxima cause I’ll agree she’s nuts) besides damage that separates them from the leagues of other heavy hitters mostly on par with them but also generally more consistent or having much more utility?

Ronan literally walks through bosses and parts of challenges with no effort required. Even RAGE paths 5.4, yanno… where heavy hitters are basically dead weight?

Hyperion? NO
Medusa? Robots?
Proxima? I might give her the pass

They’re just heavy hitters which most people uncollected already have 5 of not counting DoT champs like GP, AA, and Voodoo… but a champion that can literally turn “hard content” against itself? Any buff not passive instantly a death sentence? I could probably do a full 1/5 to 1/4 of the paths in Act5 ENTIRELY with just Ronan for the most part without paying attention…

Lol talking about a cosmic ag not any other class or generics. So I deleted all the pointless parts of the other classes.

Have you used a Hyperion without his signature ability? It’s annoying. Short power gain, short fury stacks. Barely get anything off before you have to throw a heavy again. Also a 5* Hyperion signature ability scales way higher then a 4* making it pretty useful.

Am I only going to talk about damage dealers? I’m sorry I think you’re playing the wrong game. It’s all about damage dealing. The more damage you deal the faster the fight the less mistakes you’ll make. Yes use a gem on Hyperion.

Medusa also needs the gem. Why? Because then she can end fights faster. That’s the point of the game! She has more overall uses then a duped Ronan.

So yes save it.

Don’t use it on Ronan, you’ll regret it.

You deleted the other classes but miss the point. They are but 2 (3 counting proxima) Damage dealers in the game. If all you need is damage take them against stun immune Mephisto cause they can deal more damage than blade faster.

Or take them both up against a bleed node or Morningstar. Screw the fact LC is another heavy hitter with bleed immune.

This isn’t injustice… abilities actually letter in this game. Damage is very important too but when you also have to consider abilities well there’s a reason Medusa is more gem worthy than Hela or Angela because her signature allows her to do damage like them who are that strong at base.

But if it’s ALL about damage then you gotta make a discussion (AND DEFEND IT) that Magik, Voodoo, both Visions, Starlord and Ghost Rider ALL suck because he doesn’t deal as much damage as fast as Hyperion.

Yes Hyperion kills fast but Ronan can kill easy and those aren’t always the same thing. It’s easy to kill Morningstar with deep wounds on All-Nothing with Luke Cage but your logic I should bring Hyperion…

Mr_Otter

And forget DDc for Collector… psh that weakling! Take Medusa!

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JRock808

Don’t use it on Ronan, don’t even rank him past r2.

Wait for Medusa, Proxima, even Hela or Hyperion. They are all infinitely better. Ronan is fun, but limited in use. Stun immunity is common in high end content. Just don’t do it.

I’ve had a mutant gem since 12.0. I could have used it several times now, but not until it’s iceman. AA or the like. You get a handful of them, ever. Don’t blow it,

Mr_Otter

Use extension to Mystics and villains (when being helped by 2 champions all around make useable) who are getting more and more mistagged...

If a hero or merc proves difficult to fight in the future you’ll find 1 comic book instance they were bad and demand them getting a new tag.

BW currently shuts down all of science but she’s still limited to that niche of denying Science abilities as her damage is trash.

Also aside from a handful of immunity nodes (Good lucky landing a heavy or even using Medusa), even 5.4 doesn’t have many stun immune if maybe 1 or 2 per quest. And pre.12 Thor was bad vs stun immune too and I don’t think anyone called him bad EVER!

Aantho

Moi je me rappelle avoir utilisé une gemme d éveil tech 4* sur hulkbuster!!! Si j avais su à l époque...😂😂

Mitchell35

Wow this is a great conversation about this I’ll certa check out some gameplay with my 3 star Ronan keep the feedback coming. Who else would be worthy of a gem?

Julius_Seizure

Just use it on a Khmala Khan and get it over with...

bloodyCain

anyone that says to use it on Ronan, Kamala, Carnage or any other trash cosmic champs are the one you want to ignore.
In order, IMO, the only great cosmic champs to be duped as of right now are Hyperion, Medusa, Proxima, Corvus, Cap Marvel/Ms. Marvel and SIM (upcoming).

AlienShoes

Why would anyone believe anything you say.... “blade is niche”? Brain damage much? I don’t have him but he slays 90% of the champs out there with ease. 90% is literally the opposite of niche. Most champs are niche but the great ones aren’t. Like Angela, straight damage dealer worked on any node but buffet or specter. Guilly isn’t niche, nor is Dorm. They have some specific utility but that is separate from niche. Sit down child. You don’t know what your talking about. They have some specific utility but that is separate from niche.[/quote]

Actually Blade is Niche. As someone who ACTUALLY HAS a 5* Blade, i can say I would never choose him as a top 10 champion for any fight without danger sense active. So yes Blade is niche. Dormammu is also niche. He has some very specific utility that makes him good for fights where you need to power control or where there is extremely high physical resistance.