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Degeneration
Buttehrs
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If your going to insist of using degen every where in this game now then I think its high time you introduce some degen immune champs. Just sayin.
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Like I said, it won't happen.
There is a possibility to introduce a champion immune to the degen caused by other champion (like mordo or cable), but there will be no champion immune to the degen caused by a node (like act 5 nodes). Those were designed not to be bypassed by any champion, and encourage players to use another fightning style in order to avoid the incoming degen
Corvus glaive is kinda shock immune
Ex:
Weakness becomes Fury
Degen becomes regen
Like what Guilly does only on the champ using it and for their benefit. Based on a timeframe after special or swipe back and block or something to trigger for a certain timeframe.
Like Khamala Khan?
It doesn't make sense that Kabam would invent degeneration so they could make damage effects that aren't covered by immunity, then make immunity to that damage. If they ever make degen immune champs, there is a lot of degeneration in the game that will just get changed to whatever they call the next no-immunity damage.
For example, node-based degen (like Bane and Flare) would be a passive effect that cannot be removed. However, champ-based degen (like getting hit by Cable's heavy attack, or against Dormammu) is an active debuff that can be made immune to.
This would be very similar to the difference between active armor-up (like Civil Warrior) and passive armor up (IWIM) and how they're effected against champs that can armor break and/or nullify.
That would need to be reshuffled a bit tho, especially with Gulk in the game now.
Starburst, Dorm's degen and Limbo all count as passive damage over time (which triggers face me), and to be honest Gulk is pretty good at dealing with degen.
Bane and Flare are considered to be active degen, and if it gets changed this all needs to be cycled around with how Gulk works, and how he responds (because it's passive DoT, not just degen).
They could do that, but why would they? Degen almost certainly exists to be the damage type that no one has immunity to. It is obvious to me the content designers *want* a damage type that no one has immunities to. You're in effect saying that the content creators of the game shouldn't be allowed to have such a damage type.
I don't think it is accidental that no one is immune to degen. The content creators wanted it that way. So the problem isn't adding degen resistance: that's the easy part. The hard part is convincing the content creators that this thing they added because they wanted it to work that way, you feel they should just change because you like it better that way. I think you'll need a stronger argument for why they should add resistance and immunity to the thing they explicitly wanted to be unresistable and unavoidable by everyone.
Put it another way. Suppose you somehow win and get degen resistance and/or immunity added to the game, and then added to whatever champions you feel appropriate. What stops the content creators from saying "please add a new damage type called disintegration" and then proceed to change starburst to do disintegration damage, which no one has immunity to, in order to restore their original intent?
This isn't really about degen. This is about how you would go about convincing a Kabam developer that every kind of damage must have some subset of champions that easily shrug off that damage, and no damage should affect everyone equally. How do you tell a content creator, no, you aren't allowed to do that. We forbid you from doing that. That seems to be an incredibly high hurdle to me.
That being said, it's about making the differentiation between active degen and passive degen. I'm saying passive should always be a part of the game. Things like Bane, Starburst, et.al would remain in the game as unavoidable damage as a node-based mechanic. Champ-based degen (limbo, Cable, Dorm) would all be active debuffs.
It would require things like Limbo and Gulk to be rebuilt to adjust to this, but it creates a win-win scenario. Developers are able to keep their unavoidable damage, but players are also able to counter some aspect of it
That seems reasonable, but reasonable is not enough to change most people's minds. On top of demonstrating your suggestion is reasonable, you also have to demonstrate the status quo is unreasonable. Kabam has often stated that the "counter" to things like degen is healing. Whether I agree or not is immaterial so long as I'm not a developer. I think you'd have to overwhelmingly demonstrate that position is invalid to make progress here.
Or wait for developer turnover. That creates more game mechanics changes than anything else in my experience.
If I recall correctly CAIW's science synergy debuffs opponent attack, it doesn't directly affect degen. Because that synergy reduces opponent attack it will reduce all of the damage coming from that opponent except for attacks that directly strike CAIW, as the effect is suppressed while being struck by attacks.
This means CAIW with the right synergy can affect degen indirectly, but he's not actually reducing degen damage. It does, however, somewhat address the question of affecting enemy champion sources of degen without touching non-champion sources like node debuffs. But technically speaking, doesn't anything that apply a weakness debuff do something similar, if not better (because no suppression on attack)?
Well said. Don’t care I’m late to this Kabam. Kabam - money hungry, degenerates that have ZERO CLUE. COME AT ME KABAM.