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Symbiote Supreme vs Iceman's Passive Ice Armor. ( Attention ! )

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  • PunishmentPunishment Posts: 111

    White ring around effect symbol = buff/debuff
    No white ring around effect symbol = passive effect/ability

    I don't get how this is hard to grasp.

    problem is in the kabam's description.
    Nope, it's your lack of understanding. The ability that triggers icemans ice armor is passive, which merely means it isn't bound to any certain action, be it offensive or defensive. It's hust depending on it's timer to activate.
    What this passive ability does is what's important. The passive ability triggers the activation of an active effect, or in other words a buff.

    Where exactly is your disconnect here? The ability that triggers ice armor is passive. The ice armor itself is a buff.
    Did you know proxima's ability where ice armor can't reform back whole fight so you can't say it's is not bound to any certain action.
  • PunishmentPunishment Posts: 111

    White ring around effect symbol = buff/debuff
    No white ring around effect symbol = passive effect/ability

    I don't get how this is hard to grasp.

    problem is in the kabam's description.
    Nope, it's your lack of understanding. The ability that triggers icemans ice armor is passive, which merely means it isn't bound to any certain action, be it offensive or defensive. It's hust depending on it's timer to activate.
    What this passive ability does is what's important. The passive ability triggers the activation of an active effect, or in other words a buff.

    Where exactly is your disconnect here? The ability that triggers ice armor is passive. The ice armor itself is a buff.
    Did you know proxima's ability where ice armor can't reform back whole fight so you can't say it's is not bound to any certain action.
    What...? How does that... How does that even correlate to anything I said?

    Look, someone else mentioned how icemans ability to trigger the actual ice armor buff being passive makes it immune to aar. Maybe that's where another disconnect of yours stems from.

    This is wrong. Passive abilities, unless stated otherwise, can all be affected by aar.
    There is offensive aar (e.g. proxima midnight), defensive aar (e.g. crossbones) and overall aar (e.g. archangel).
    There are offensive abilities (only triggered by offensive actions), defensive abilities (only triggered by defensive actions) and passive abilities (not bound to a certain type of action).

    Let's look at another example for the last case: magiks limbo.
    Magiks limbo has a chance to trigger whenever she fills a bar of power. This trigger is neither nessecarily offensive, nor defensive, but can be influenced in either case by the correct form of aar.

    Hitting magik with crossbones and some furies will reduce the accuracy of limbo triggering. Getting hit by her with crossbones and some furies doesn't influence limbo.

    If iceman is attacking you while you're blocking with proxima he suffers from 200% offensive aar. If his ability triggers in this situation it gets influenced and therefore cancelled.

    Now I can't say whether that's intended or not, but this is how it currently works.
    Passive abilities that are neither exclusively offensive, nor exclusively defensive can be both depending on the situation.

    Either way, icemans ice armor is a buff and that's absolutely correct.
    Not offensive aar but defensive aar (-200%).
  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Posts: 13,734 ★★★★★
    Ice armor is an armor up buff.
    The name is different due to thecharacter itself, and because it interacts with other abilities (shrug off stun, cap damage, sp2 attack increase).

    Again.
    Ice armor is a buff. Not a passive armor
  • ZuroZuro Posts: 2,707 ★★★★★

    White ring around effect symbol = buff/debuff
    No white ring around effect symbol = passive effect/ability

    I don't get how this is hard to grasp.

    problem is in the kabam's description.
    Nope, it's your lack of understanding. The ability that triggers icemans ice armor is passive, which merely means it isn't bound to any certain action, be it offensive or defensive. It's hust depending on it's timer to activate.
    What this passive ability does is what's important. The passive ability triggers the activation of an active effect, or in other words a buff.

    Where exactly is your disconnect here? The ability that triggers ice armor is passive. The ice armor itself is a buff.
    Did you know proxima's ability where ice armor can't reform back whole fight so you can't say it's is not bound to any certain action.
    What...? How does that... How does that even correlate to anything I said?

    Look, someone else mentioned how icemans ability to trigger the actual ice armor buff being passive makes it immune to aar. Maybe that's where another disconnect of yours stems from.

    This is wrong. Passive abilities, unless stated otherwise, can all be affected by aar.
    There is offensive aar (e.g. proxima midnight), defensive aar (e.g. crossbones) and overall aar (e.g. archangel).
    There are offensive abilities (only triggered by offensive actions), defensive abilities (only triggered by defensive actions) and passive abilities (not bound to a certain type of action).

    Let's look at another example for the last case: magiks limbo.
    Magiks limbo has a chance to trigger whenever she fills a bar of power. This trigger is neither nessecarily offensive, nor defensive, but can be influenced in either case by the correct form of aar.

    Hitting magik with crossbones and some furies will reduce the accuracy of limbo triggering. Getting hit by her with crossbones and some furies doesn't influence limbo.

    If iceman is attacking you while you're blocking with proxima he suffers from 200% offensive aar. If his ability triggers in this situation it gets influenced and therefore cancelled.

    Now I can't say whether that's intended or not, but this is how it currently works.
    Passive abilities that are neither exclusively offensive, nor exclusively defensive can be both depending on the situation.

    Either way, icemans ice armor is a buff and that's absolutely correct.
    Not offensive aar but defensive aar (-200%).
    You’re flooding out these responses this his description does not to be changed he gains ice armour passively but the buff itself is not passive just the ability that grants this buff and if you clearly do understand it why would they need to change the description

  • Primmer79Primmer79 Posts: 2,968 ★★★★
    There are:
    Buffs actively triggered
    Debuffs actively triggered.
    Buffs passively triggered.
    Debuffs passively triggered.
    AND
    passive abilities.

    Where does this fall? buffs passively triggered
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