Ebony Maw bug?

Sirmacool · May 2019

Months EQ master level. First ten strikes no problem. Then I got locked into what I’m guessing was ability reduction. Over 100 strikes. All missed. Combos and sp 1&2. All missed.
I had an r4 5* Electra. First run took him out in 12 hits. Last. Had to end the fight.
Is this something normal with that node or just a bug?

Eb0ny-O-M4w · May 2019

Elektra has guaranteed crits. They will miss against Ebony Maw, and you basically wont do damage unless you use a sp3 or bleed him

Magrailothos · May 2019

Yep, like he said. Once you're in Final Strike range, Maw's ability means that all your guaranteed hits (which is all of them) will miss.

If he were bleeding at the time, Electra's ability accuracy reduction will help (I'm guessing this was the case on your first run through); but if he isn't, then she's in trouble.

Maw doesn't just counter Corvus and Ghost, I'm afraid. There's a few older champions with guaranteed crits like Electra and Ultron who have similar problems.

Sirmacool · May 2019

Ok. Thanks. Makes sense. Easily beatable with other champs. I knew there was a reduction. Just didn’t think it was permanent

BigPoppaCBONE · May 2019

Terrible execution of an idea. There should never be an instance where the player has to let themselves be killed or quit and choose someone else to proceed. I expect better from the character design crew.

Sixshot1 · May 2019

BigPoppaCBONE said:
Terrible execution of an idea. There should never be an instance where the player has to let themselves be killed or quit and choose someone else to proceed. I expect better from the character design crew.

I don't like the idea of maw being nearly impossible to kill for certain champs. For Corvus I was less concerned. If you're taking a Cosmic champ into a mystic, you know you're in for a bad time.

But imagine they bring back the buff to females for war, you bring in that 6* Elektra that gets almost no other use... And suddenly you're in a truly unwinnable matchup, unless your sp3 can kill him.

I don't like Maw. And I didn't like Sinister either. This approach to nerfing the strongest champs has been way more heavy handed. I don't have Corvus or Ghost, so this doesn't affect me very much at all. But I still don't like it.

simolaz · May 2019

Sixshot1 said:

BigPoppaCBONE said:
Terrible execution of an idea. There should never be an instance where the player has to let themselves be killed or quit and choose someone else to proceed. I expect better from the character design crew.
I don't like the idea of maw being nearly impossible to kill for certain champs. For Corvus I was less concerned. If you're taking a Cosmic champ into a mystic, you know you're in for a bad time.

But imagine they bring back the buff to females for war, you bring in that 6* Elektra that gets almost no other use... And suddenly you're in a truly unwinnable matchup, unless your sp3 can kill him.

I don't like Maw. And I didn't like Sinister either. This approach to nerfing the strongest champs has been way more heavy handed. I don't have Corvus or Ghost, so this doesn't affect me very much at all. But I still don't like it.

At least Ebony’s ability doesn’t work if you have class advantage. Even if it’s still something that I personally don’t like.
But, speaking of Sinister, the most unfair thing is that the most unplayable characters are (aside Corvus) Ghost and Spiderman Stark, and both of them should have class advantage.
The same thing applies to Magneto, but at least there is a logic behind him. Sinister is a complete nonsense.

GroundedWisdom · May 2019

Magrailothos said:
Yep, like he said. Once you're in Final Strike range, Maw's ability means that all your guaranteed hits (which is all of them) will miss.

If he were bleeding at the time, Electra's ability accuracy reduction will help (I'm guessing this was the case on your first run through); but if he isn't, then she's in trouble.

Maw doesn't just counter Corvus and Ghost, I'm afraid. There's a few older champions with guaranteed crits like Electra and Ultron who have similar problems.

Ultron has been fixed so that the 5th hit resets after the Miss.

Cassy · May 2019

GroundedWisdom said:

Magrailothos said:
Yep, like he said. Once you're in Final Strike range, Maw's ability means that all your guaranteed hits (which is all of them) will miss.

If he were bleeding at the time, Electra's ability accuracy reduction will help (I'm guessing this was the case on your first run through); but if he isn't, then she's in trouble.

Maw doesn't just counter Corvus and Ghost, I'm afraid. There's a few older champions with guaranteed crits like Electra and Ultron who have similar problems.
Ultron has been fixed so that the 5th hit resets after the Miss.

Was this proposed by Kabam somewhere? or did it just funktion all of a sudden?

Magrailothos · May 2019

GroundedWisdom said:

Magrailothos said:
Yep, like he said. Once you're in Final Strike range, Maw's ability means that all your guaranteed hits (which is all of them) will miss.

If he were bleeding at the time, Electra's ability accuracy reduction will help (I'm guessing this was the case on your first run through); but if he isn't, then she's in trouble.

Maw doesn't just counter Corvus and Ghost, I'm afraid. There's a few older champions with guaranteed crits like Electra and Ultron who have similar problems.
Ultron has been fixed so that the 5th hit resets after the Miss.

Good to know, thanks.

So (OP) it's possible to win with Ultron now; but still, probably a match-up to avoid...

BigPoppaCBONE · May 2019

Sixshot1 said:

BigPoppaCBONE said:
Terrible execution of an idea. There should never be an instance where the player has to let themselves be killed or quit and choose someone else to proceed. I expect better from the character design crew.
I don't like the idea of maw being nearly impossible to kill for certain champs. For Corvus I was less concerned. If you're taking a Cosmic champ into a mystic, you know you're in for a bad time.

But imagine they bring back the buff to females for war, you bring in that 6* Elektra that gets almost no other use... And suddenly you're in a truly unwinnable matchup, unless your sp3 can kill him.

I don't like Maw. And I didn't like Sinister either. This approach to nerfing the strongest champs has been way more heavy handed. I don't have Corvus or Ghost, so this doesn't affect me very much at all. But I still don't like it.

Unless under a class disadvantage, consecutive guaranteed crits will miss Ebony Maw until the opponent's combo counter is reset or they are Knocked Down.

Boom. Solved.
Disadvantage to Corvus and Ghost? Check.
Can they still win? Check.
Can every other champ with guaranteed crits now or in the future still win? Check.

Dtl7714 · May 2019

BigPoppaCBONE said:

Sixshot1 said:

BigPoppaCBONE said:
Terrible execution of an idea. There should never be an instance where the player has to let themselves be killed or quit and choose someone else to proceed. I expect better from the character design crew.
I don't like the idea of maw being nearly impossible to kill for certain champs. For Corvus I was less concerned. If you're taking a Cosmic champ into a mystic, you know you're in for a bad time.

But imagine they bring back the buff to females for war, you bring in that 6* Elektra that gets almost no other use... And suddenly you're in a truly unwinnable matchup, unless your sp3 can kill him.

I don't like Maw. And I didn't like Sinister either. This approach to nerfing the strongest champs has been way more heavy handed. I don't have Corvus or Ghost, so this doesn't affect me very much at all. But I still don't like it.
Unless under a class disadvantage, consecutive guaranteed crits will miss Ebony Maw until the opponent's combo counter is reset or they are Knocked Down.

Boom. Solved.
Disadvantage to Corvus and Ghost? Check.
Can they still win? Check.
Can every other champ with guaranteed crits now or in the future still win? Check.

All corvus can do is light hit(which doesn't crit), then try to hit again which will miss and them get combod or light hit run away, wait light hit again and hope game doesn't interpret it as 2nd hit in combo which will hit and miss.

Unless your fighting Maw's 2* you will not win that fight. So you might want to remove that check next to winnable. Cause those of us with common sense know better

Cassy · May 2019

Only When they pulled a hell of Credits out of aw Players

Or

They See that more and more Players refuse to play to the End instead of opening their pockets.

Or

After the eq is over this month they "fix" a Bug with maw aka some typo / ability discrepancy will be solved.

But Thats a guess. Based on some Observation from incedents of the last 4 years.

BigPoppaCBONE · May 2019

Dtl7714 said:

BigPoppaCBONE said:

Sixshot1 said:

BigPoppaCBONE said:
Terrible execution of an idea. There should never be an instance where the player has to let themselves be killed or quit and choose someone else to proceed. I expect better from the character design crew.
I don't like the idea of maw being nearly impossible to kill for certain champs. For Corvus I was less concerned. If you're taking a Cosmic champ into a mystic, you know you're in for a bad time.

But imagine they bring back the buff to females for war, you bring in that 6* Elektra that gets almost no other use... And suddenly you're in a truly unwinnable matchup, unless your sp3 can kill him.

I don't like Maw. And I didn't like Sinister either. This approach to nerfing the strongest champs has been way more heavy handed. I don't have Corvus or Ghost, so this doesn't affect me very much at all. But I still don't like it.
Unless under a class disadvantage, consecutive guaranteed crits will miss Ebony Maw until the opponent's combo counter is reset or they are Knocked Down.

Boom. Solved.
Disadvantage to Corvus and Ghost? Check.
Can they still win? Check.
Can every other champ with guaranteed crits now or in the future still win? Check.

All corvus can do is light hit(which doesn't crit), then try to hit again which will miss and them get combod or light hit run away, wait light hit again and hope game doesn't interpret it as 2nd hit in combo which will hit and miss.

Unless your fighting Maw's 2* you will not win that fight. So you might want to remove that check next to winnable. Cause those of us with common sense know better

Corvus will start with guaranteed crits.

Hit 1 Medium Crit - Hits
Hit 2 Medium Crit - Misses

OR

Hit 1 Light Not Crit - Hits
Hit 2 Light Crit - Hits
Hit 3 Light OR Medium OR Special other than L3 would be Crit - Misses

OR

Hit 1 Medium Crit - Hits
Hit 2 Light Not Crit - Hits
Hit 3 Light OR Medium OR 1st hit of Special other than L3 Crit - Hits
Hit 4 Light OR Medium OR next hits of Special Crit - Misses

See what I mean?

Corvus is at a disadvantage, but not much more of one than fighting an Ultron or any of the Spideys and this method has the bonus of not breaking other champs. You'll only get stuck missing until you get hit out of your combo or knocked down (to cover current and future Combo shields) which is very likely to happen right after you miss.

EDIT: I did try the light hit only method and that's not realistic for those that are saying you can do it.
For that matter, I also tried getting hit and attacking in the no crit window and also letting him beat me until my charges were gone. Neither one is a real option.

Ebony Maw bug?

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