Pulling the same champion over and over again

Myselfandi · July 2019

Lol show me your account and I'll show you the pattern... And its accross the board

Myselfandi · July 2019

UmbertoDelRio said:

Myselfandi said:

UmbertoDelRio said:

Myselfandi said:

UmbertoDelRio said:

Myselfandi said:

UmbertoDelRio said:

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UmbertoDelRio said:

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DNA3000 said:

DrZola said:

DNA3000 said:

Lormif said:

SquishyjrThe_4TH said:

KattohS said:

SquishyjrThe_4TH said:

KattohS said:

SquishyjrThe_4TH said:
Guess knowing how to multiply fractions means we have a PhD in math. It’s unlikely not impossible. you would have eventually gotten him a few times and once you get him to max you’ll get the max sig crystal
Plus GR is a great character by himself he has nice utility

When he gets him to max sig he will stop pulling him from crystals.

RNG baby.
An independent event is not influenced by other previous results

Proff hof conspiracy theorist
Yea....but as soon as he’s max sig he will disappear from this summoners crystal spins.

I have a 4* joe fix it that I got early on..... spun him 3 times for dup’d. And never once even saw him even in the spin animation since he became max sig.

RNG I guess.

Ahhh conspiracies are based on fallacies, misinformation, false logic, and straight up wrong information or lack of info.
The reel has nothing to do with what you get
Your crystal is already determined as soon as you buy it
Not my fault you have a hard time getting that
As I said before

Proff hof conspirator
You do not get it when you buy it unless it is specific crystals like a featured. People have held onto 5*s and latter gotten a new champ.
Yep. The way this works is that the crystal has a reward drop table associated with it. When you buy a crystal, you're getting a crystal that points to that reward table. This is permanent and does not change. However, some reward tables are themselves fixed and some change. Featured crystals point to a reward table that never changes, because they point to a reward table that contains specific featured champions with specific drop odds. However, things like basic crystals point to the basic reward table and even though the crystal doesn't change the reward table itself does. So if you buy a basic crystal but don't open it, when you do finally open it you'll get a champion from the basic reward table at that time which can contain champions that didn't exist in the basic crystal reward table when you bought it.

The actual specific drop is generated by the game servers when you decide to open the crystal. If you pop the crystal the drop is generated at that moment. If you choose to spin the crystal the drop is generated shortly after you put the crystal into the spinner. At that point whether you tap to stop or spin out the drop is already determined and won't change, not even if you force close the game.

There's two ways to tell that your drop is already generated even while the crystal is spinning. The first is that alliance mates can actually see what you got while your crystal is spinning because your drop shows up in alliance chat. The second is that if your drop is a first time drop of a champion of any rank for your roster the little "1" will show up on your profile to designate you have a new profile pic. So it's a done deal before the crystal actually stops: the visual animation is just generated to match the actual drop.
Would you consider a system that “steered” results even the slightest amount to still be reliably random?

Dr. Zola
That's a tricky question to answer, because it depends on what you mean by steered. Actually, it also critically depends on what you mean by "reliably random."

If I say that a champion as a 10% chance to crit, and the tohit roll is generated by PRNG, then the tohit roll is random, but the chance to crit isn't completely random: there's a 10% chance you crit and a 90% chance you don't crit, so the sequence of crits and non-crits itself wouldn't be considered random. Usually, in colloquial speech, when we say in this situation the chance to crit is random, we mean the roll is random, not the result.

So a crystal that has a 5% chance for 4* and 95% chance for 3* or 2* is obviously not random, since we're specifying in what way the results are not random. When we say the crystal is random, we mean the system generates random numbers and the results are statistically consistent with the result distribution.

I wouldn't ordinarily say that something is or is not "reliably random" because that has odd connotations. But if there was a provable statistical skew other than the explicitly stated ones, as mentioned above, I would instead say that the (colloquial) statement that the system generates every champion randomly outside of the obviously stated odds breakdown was false. Or more directly, that Kabam was either lying about the drop system or was blind to an obvious bug.

The magnitude of the "steering" isn't really relevant, except insofar as the smaller it is, the more difficult it would be to prove, to the point where very small steers would be impossible to prove with the information we have. But such a steer would also be illogical to deliberately put in the game, because by definition no one could ever be affected by it in a way anyone would notice.
Do you ever reply where I dont have to scroll down to read your comments?
DrZola said:

DNA3000 said:

Lormif said:

SquishyjrThe_4TH said:

KattohS said:

SquishyjrThe_4TH said:

KattohS said:

SquishyjrThe_4TH said:
Guess knowing how to multiply fractions means we have a PhD in math. It’s unlikely not impossible. you would have eventually gotten him a few times and once you get him to max you’ll get the max sig crystal
Plus GR is a great character by himself he has nice utility

When he gets him to max sig he will stop pulling him from crystals.

RNG baby.
An independent event is not influenced by other previous results

Proff hof conspiracy theorist
Yea....but as soon as he’s max sig he will disappear from this summoners crystal spins.

I have a 4* joe fix it that I got early on..... spun him 3 times for dup’d. And never once even saw him even in the spin animation since he became max sig.

RNG I guess.

Ahhh conspiracies are based on fallacies, misinformation, false logic, and straight up wrong information or lack of info.
The reel has nothing to do with what you get
Your crystal is already determined as soon as you buy it
Not my fault you have a hard time getting that
As I said before

Proff hof conspirator
You do not get it when you buy it unless it is specific crystals like a featured. People have held onto 5*s and latter gotten a new champ.
Yep. The way this works is that the crystal has a reward drop table associated with it. When you buy a crystal, you're getting a crystal that points to that reward table. This is permanent and does not change. However, some reward tables are themselves fixed and some change. Featured crystals point to a reward table that never changes, because they point to a reward table that contains specific featured champions with specific drop odds. However, things like basic crystals point to the basic reward table and even though the crystal doesn't change the reward table itself does. So if you buy a basic crystal but don't open it, when you do finally open it you'll get a champion from the basic reward table at that time which can contain champions that didn't exist in the basic crystal reward table when you bought it.

The actual specific drop is generated by the game servers when you decide to open the crystal. If you pop the crystal the drop is generated at that moment. If you choose to spin the crystal the drop is generated shortly after you put the crystal into the spinner. At that point whether you tap to stop or spin out the drop is already determined and won't change, not even if you force close the game.

There's two ways to tell that your drop is already generated even while the crystal is spinning. The first is that alliance mates can actually see what you got while your crystal is spinning because your drop shows up in alliance chat. The second is that if your drop is a first time drop of a champion of any rank for your roster the little "1" will show up on your profile to designate you have a new profile pic. So it's a done deal before the crystal actually stops: the visual animation is just generated to match the actual drop.
Would you consider a system that “steered” results even the slightest amount to still be reliably random?

Dr. Zola
This answer is the best answer I've ever heard. And is exactly how it is. Random? Yes... Within the realms of your account.... therefore it is NOT random.
From what did you draw the conclusion that your individual account has anything to do with individual drops and their randomness?
The fact that every single person doesn't get specific champs. How many champs do you have at max sig? I have like 30odd. And I still dont have champs at 3*. 4*. 5*. And I see soo many people on youtube saying the same. I get the same champs. 3*4*5*. With the odd exception. And that odd exception Is a OMG I got something new/different
Wait... Do you mean you don't pull champs you already have at max sig?

I regularly pull 2* 3* and 4* champs that I already have at max sig. I don't have any max sig 5*, but I don't see any reason to not expect pulling those, when I have any.

Or do you mean you didn't pull certain specific champs yet?

Yes, that's a thing.

I still don't see any basis for your conclusion here lol.
The bias part is that its across the board. I'm not the only one. And I bet you're in the same boat. And you can't count 2*s as A. You get sooo many of them and B. A lot of champs arent in that pool.
Would you care to share your data on that? You must have held one massive survey to reasonably conclude something like that lol.
Oh. So you want me to gather everyones account to prove my point? How about you show me yours and show me there isnt a pattern.
Wait... Wait... Let me recap:

You claim something that would literally need a massive amount of data to actually determine.

I doubt that claim and ask for your basis/data.

And now you want me to prove the opposite to you?

This is pure gold. Thanks for that.
The data is through the whole thread. All over youtube. And in your account.
Do you even have the slightest idea how many accounts you'd need to check on how many aspects to be able to even reasonably suspect something being wrong with the rng?

Don't get me wrong, from a humorous point of view you seem to be rather brilliant, but other than thar you could just as well post empty comments lol.

And yet you have yet to prove me wrong other than call me out. But I have explained evidence. Just look at the top youtubers prior to cavalier. Because lately they have brought their champs.

Myselfandi · July 2019

You know yourself that you're wanting that specific champ that eludes you over 4* and 5* yet you have max sig of soo many other champs. And if you did finally get that champ at 4* you no longer need it because you're doing act6

Palistes · July 2019

My first 5 star was Rhino. My second 5 star was Rhino. Kinda sucks but **** happens.

Kabam Lyra · July 2019

What you receive from a crystal is not influenced by anything you have in your account or by what you've gotten from the same crystal previously.

Pulling the same champion over and over again

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