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Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.
How many docks does it take for players to stop modding in AW Seasons?
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They should improve the game and catch cheaters, they should not be strong armed into refocusing resources to solve a problem that is only affecting a few alliances at the very top unless they decide that is worth the value.
even tho its unlikely those in those in my bracket of the game are experiencing modding, i know i personally question and start observing when alliances wait until the last possible minute to finish clearing a map when we've already got 100% hours earlier and its not an alliance likely to be in a completely different time zone.
I wouldnt need to do this or feel that perhaps i'm about to get cheated out of an AW win because they strategically died a few times less than we did.
This is false. Again, you're using introductory level concepts without providing hard evidence or examples to support your skepticism. "Knowledge is relative", the sky is also blue. Many of the posts in this thread are from players who know what is happening more frequently than ever in high tier AW from both personal experience and videos provided by players who've been kicked from modding alliances and are now seeking retribution. You're also misquoting and taking things other players have said out of context in an attempt to support your opinion that lacks perspective on the topic of this thread. Anyone can be a skeptic, part of being a skeptic is changing your initial opinion when evidence that counters your opinion is presented. Refusing to change your argument when others have supplied evidence that disproves your argument is obstinance, nor skepticism. Inability to accurately read evidence is on you, not others. This thread's poll says "modding is at an all time high". That's not the same thing as widespread and/or pervasive. Continuing on this response: Deceptive phrases like Logic 101? Strawman fallacy? Widespread and/or pervasive when this thread's poll is intentionally worded differently? You've inserted yourself into a conversation topic where people discussing the topic have a mutual understanding of what's been going on for more than 6 months. That's fine, just offer something more constructive than blind skepticism and taking people's comments out of context. The forum doesn't abide by certain rules like debate or the scientific method. If you're going to reference those concepts to support your comments, the least you can do is systematically address what people have actually said as opposed to summarizing comments inaccurately to further your own opinions which lack perspective/personal experience with this thread's topic.
I'm not hoping for a response that addresses the words I've used in this response without misquoting/taking what I've said out of context. I'll be stoked to be proven wrong.
Also while I am not in masters, I am definitely in what most would consider the top, or atleast far from the middle and we have never seen an instance of cheating. Your post is exactly what I am talking about. The OP and the like have got you so scared that you are going to be cheated that you are questioning every match.
So moving on from strawman arguments to appeals to authority fallacies now us?
1) I am near the top, but being the the top is not a requirement to speak.
2) I have been playing as long as most here, if not longer.
3) You guys are the one who started the argument about how prevalent it is , this entire thread is talking aboutit, now when it is shown to be false you want to get mad.
4) yes it is happening, and should be worked on, I never once took issue with that.
5) The issue I have is the deceptive nature of this thread. It is not here to be be constructive, it is here to strong arm through deception. I will never support that sort of behavior.
6) I never attacked anyone, I have attacked their argument, I tend to stay away form ad hominem fallacies.
7) what is alot easier is a simple petition to get them to work on it moer without claiming it is so prevalent and stroking fears, but that does not get as many signatures, or in this case likes and replies.
I mean, people need to realise that they can lose wars, even in top ally’s.
Stop crying cheat every time you suffer a loss, just improve as a group, get better diversity, don’t give silly deaths away.
I am against mods and cheats, but it’s so annoying as it seems, whenever a loss happens a lot come here to moan about how they were cheated out of it, they can never admit they were beaten by a better alliance on the day.
7- again, your beliefs aren't at the heart of any of this. I respect them, but they are immaterial to the issue at hand. While i agree that many (or most) accusations on the forum are false and waste everyone's time, I wouldn't be in this thread if it wasn't the real deal.
I never claimed that pointing out the strawmen validated my posts, but it does mean that theirs, or yours, doest not invalidate them either. I cannot argue against a strawman, because it was never part of the discussion. In fact no one presented evidence of it being pervasive, just anecdotes, and Chucky actively refused to.
Which comment did I take out of comment, as I just pointed out it was not chunky's, your sole piece of evidence. It is funny because your analysis at the end fits perfectly what you and others are doing when I showed the pervasiveness as being false.
I'll add victim playing to gaslighting in the list of abilities.
And from here on, I'll stick to the topic as i wish others would do.
7- again, your beliefs aren't at the heart of any of this. I respect them, but they are immaterial to the issue at hand. While i agree that many (or most) accusations on the forum are false and waste everyone's time, I wouldn't be in this thread if it wasn't the real deal.
Edit ate my post..
1) he did say that as you can see.
2) you and others creating strawmen does not invalidate my argument, and you creating strawman (collective you) is what is derailing the conversation, because it creates massive gaps in the discussion.
3) I never took anyones statement out of context as the quote to your sole example shows.
4) your last statement seems to apply to y'all when I showed that it is not pervasive and instead of just admitting that and pointing it out it should be addressed you kept attacking me, personally, not my arguments.
And these forums will be the death of me.
That being the case, and the fact it's been noted there's a list of 'usual suspects' being docked... the penalties should theoretically be increased to help curb or hopefully put a stop to this nonsense. Repeated/continued offenses justify this in my opinion. What else can be done when point docks and week bans aren't enough? That's the core reason this thread was started.
Now, I think it goes without saying (or at least it should) that the proposed permanent bans would occur once it has been proven post investigation. I doubt anyone here is saying 'just start handing out permanent bans based solely on my word.' If that's what anyone has taken away from this thread, I'm pretty sure you didn't read posts in their entirety. There's cases where people mistook whatever for a mod, and that happens. Fact remains, the point docks wouldn't continue to occur if something wasn't going on. Pretty sure the majority are out for a better resolution to the issue at hand so it eventually becomes a thing of the past.
Within the context of this thread’s discussion, players modding through content such as Labyrinth of Legends used to receive permanent bans every time. Applying that method to AW Seasons would significantly discourage players from modding in AW.
For the most part we are talking about tiers 1-3 where the nodes get beefed up which is the whole reason these cheats need mods in the first place........
Nodes are different from tiers 1-3 and everything else fyi.
3) That is not my argument, that is what you think my argument is. I have never made such a claim to be honest. It is more along the lines of if it was as large of an issue the forums would be over ran with complaints. Look at he bug report list, fairly mundane bugs have more reporters then this issue.
1)I am pointing out they are over generalizing, claiming modding is rampant in the entire war system and not just at the very top.
2) Pointing out that dispite what they want finding an punishing moders is mostly a reactionary process.
3) not being 100% lock step with them.
To each his own, I really think that we're just arguing semantics here which is getting people riled up. Cheating appears to be rampant to people at the top because we see it A LOT. So it's relative to our experience whereas your experience in the middle is clearly different.
now that we've derailed this thread for pages upon pages can we all just agree that cheaters need to be punished and move on....