Champions of different rarities gain power at different rates

It was brought to my attention by another player that the same champion at two different rarities (4 star/5 star/6 star) will gain power at different rates from one another and that this has apparently been the case for a while. This is not listed anywhere in the game and serves no discernible purpose gameplay-wise for this variance to exist.

I did some testing and will post video and screenshots here for you to decide. The purpose is solely to highlight the clear difference in power gain rate despite the same opponent and the same actions being taken. Below are screenshots of 6* R1 Red Hulk and 5* R3 Red Hulk each at 12 hits with no blocked hits taken with different power against RoL WS, as well as 6* R2 Corvus Glaive and 4* R5 Corvus Glaive at 25 hits and 5 parries at different power also against RoL WS. There is also a Youtube link to a video showing each of the fights to prove that the fights were each done the same way.

https://youtu.be/8lxSIUmvHyo

Comments

DrZola

Makes me ask a very basic question: outside of passive power gainers, how is power gained normally? Based on damage dealt, I always assumed—who could would mean a higher CR, higher crit rate, etc. would result in higher power gain.

Is that what is happening here? Because it doesn’t look like it.

Dr. Zola

Grimv717

Makes me ask a very basic question: outside of passive power gainers, how is power gained normally? Based on damage dealt, I always assumed—who could would mean a higher CR, higher crit rate, etc. would result in higher power gain.

Is that what is happening here? Because it doesn’t look like it.

Dr. Zola

I always thought that certain actions had a set power gain value.

Medium always gives x% (2 hit medium has a+b=x to still be level with 1 hit mediums), lights give y%, heavies give z% (same deal with multihit stuff).

It would be nice to have access to exact power gain rate information via @Kabam Miike to both clarify what's going on in my original post as well as to further allow players to have a deeper understanding of the game.

World Eater

There was an interesting thread started about this a few weeks back.

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/155097/power-gain-difference-between-6-and-5#latest

Grimv717

There was an interesting thread started about this a few weeks back.

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/155097/power-gain-difference-between-6-and-5#latest

Interesting, glad to see there are other summoners who have also observed this. I tried to make my testing as controlled as possible, you can see the video as well as the screenshots to judge for yourself, but I think this is something we need to hear from the team on since the thread you linked to was never settled beyond some user theory crafting.

Cliffordcan

Yeah, seen a few ignored threads on this, would love some feedback. Getting us to rank 6*s who gain less power is super annoying.

Thecrusher_9756

Seems like another unintended bug but this one doesn’t help against the Champion in 6.2.6 so let’s see what happens.

Cliffordcan

Bump. This is a question that needs to be answered. No where ever has there been an indication that 6*s should get less power or be worse than 5*s in any aspect (besides harder to dup). This along with Kabam realizing how bad gates are has me regretting taking my 6* undupped champ over a 5* dupped champ. Please give some clarity on this as it makes 6*s much less valuable.

Grimv717

I realize I made this post on a weekend which typically are slower days for the mods (because they need days off too) but I’m gonna bump this now that it’s Monday morning since it was never addressed. @Kabam Miike @Kabam Vydious @Kabam Lyra

SummonerNR

FYI, the other thread mentioned earlier no longer updates in General Discissiin list (probably because creator there may be Chat-Locked now ?). So even though others who were part of that thread can add updates, it doesn't refresh it back to recent posts.

So hopefully Kabam can address this (either confirm or refute it) here in this thread.

Captain_Nietsch

Very interesting, this thread needs a bump and I'm following this with great interest.
I've never actually reflected on how power is gained before, and if there's a difference between different tiers of the same champ. Just getting to know how the power gain is actually calculated would be very helpful and interesting!

DrBruceWayne

Only if Kabam was open with us, this is quite silly...

DJSergy

This is very interesting, I really wish kabam would give us an answer on this. I’ve noticed the power gain difference before, but for some reason always thought it was champion specific, not rarity/tier related.

DrZola

Can we just throw this in under a general “let us see under the hood a little” request?

Because for 5 years this game has given out basic information as if it was a double-secret probation joint black ops program run by the NSA and MI-6.

Need an example? Prestige. The heavy lifting gets done by guys like @mutamatt and **** Slug and RoninNupe and others who don’t get paid a dime.

Just level with us a little. Promise it won’t hurt

Dr. Zola

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Grimv717

Kabump. Hopefully this isn’t another thread doomed to the fate of “open and honest” communication from the team.

RakeYoung

I too would like to see this looked into, since it would make the decision to rank a 5* over a 6* much easier.

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The_Watcher

Correct me if I'm wrong but with same setup and same number of hits taken, WS also should have gained same power, but when against 2* IMIW, he seems to have gained a little more power than against other star versions.

Zeezoos

Hi all, I raised a support ticket and have had the following response:

“Please be informed that power gain rate is increased ever so slightly with each rank, so 6-stars will have a lower power gain rate than 5-stars because rank 2 is like the highest you can get at this point for a 6-star.”

From the very small sample, this appears to match what is shown, with the 6*r1 and 4*r1 IMIW gaining power at the same rate.

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Grimv717

Hi all, I raised a support ticket and have had the following response:

“Please be informed that power gain rate is increased ever so slightly with each rank, so 6-stars will have a lower power gain rate than 5-stars because rank 2 is like the highest you can get at this point for a 6-star.”

From the very small sample, this appears to match what is shown, with the 6*r1 and 4*r1 IMIW gaining power at the same rate.

This is very interesting because a few of the people I’ve been discussing this with such as @DJSergy have mentioned that power gain has to do with rank, but when comparing my 6* R2 Corvus to a friend’s 6* R1 Corvus it seemed like power gain was identical for both rather than my R2 gaining power faster than his R1.

DrZola

Thank you @UmbertoDelRio and @Zeezoos

The support response is interesting and a little counterintuitive, but at least it’s something.

Things still look inconsistent between different champs, though.

Dr. Zola

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World Eater

If that is true that different rarities gain power at different rates, I wonder what the rationale is behind such a design.... and why it’s never been mentioned to the player-base.

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Lormif

If that is true that different rarities gain power at different rates, I wonder what the rationale is behind such a design.... and why it’s never been mentioned to the player-base.

Not rarities, ranks. What support is saying is that a rank 1 6* will gain power at a rate lower than a r2 6* and a rank 3 6* faster than a rank 2. And since 6*s beyond rank 2 is rare at the moment you see the differences more then the similarities.

World Eater

If that is true that different rarities gain power at different rates, I wonder what the rationale is behind such a design.... and why it’s never been mentioned to the player-base.
Not rarities, ranks. What support is saying is that a rank 1 6* will gain power at a rate lower than a r2 6* and a rank 3 6* faster than a rank 2. And since 6*s beyond rank 2 is rare at the moment you see the differences more then the similarities.

Thank you for the correction and clarification.