Upcoming Cull Obsidian and Ebony Maw Balance Changes

Lvernon15 · September 2019

Zeezoos said:
This feels like a pivotal moment in this game for me. If you take Cull and gimp his damage without adding to his utility and ability to survive, then I will forever regret spending my hard earned money getting him. And I certainly won’t trust you in the future to invest further in the game.

Yep, if damage is a problem buff him in utility or sustainability, I was going to r2 my 6* namor after the next round if aq, that’s not happening now since he will probably be nerfed, I’m never spending a dime to get cavs and I’ll likely not open a featured crystal again unless the older champs in it are great

Lvernon15 · September 2019

Markg25 said:
Wasn’t cull just rebalanced ? 🤣

What’s going on @Kabam Miike ? Multiple rebalancing of champs?

I’m thinking of 5/65 human torch but I don’t fancy ranking him up for him to be nerfed a few
Weeks later?

The old rebalance was a bug fix and tbh that was a bit too insane, he could kill rol opponents in 8 hits

ArielloPL · September 2019

Kabam Miike said:

WingTSE said:
Why not just make champs that can counter balance those champs rather than constantly nerfing champs?
When you have a Champion that wildly outdamages other Champions, and we start making content to counter that specific Champion, this harshly punishes every other Champion in game, and every Summoner that does not have that Champion.

Kabam, this is your fault! WHY can't you create a balanced hero from the beginning?

Vdh2008 · September 2019

Haji_Saab said:
Cull - check

Next up, Namor.

That'll be the end for me... He's the "newest" champ I've spent time and $$ on, and I'm dreading that announcement. If/ When it comes, and they nerf him, I'm out. Forget FTP, it's delete the game and walk away time.

LorDofThund3r · September 2019

BDL Time. Come get some Kabam.

Lvernon15 · September 2019

cdubby_22 said:
Will you be bringing Maw back to toward the majority as a Defender? Because he is way beyond most defenders, it doesnt seem right to only make changes to his attack while his defense stays the same and costs people money on revives.

They’re making him even stronger on defence...

DrZola · September 2019

Rickybobby1 said:
I don’t want rank down tickets.... I want the team in charge of putting out content to test the content. Put KT1 on your payroll if you have to. Slow down with rapid firing everything out to us. This is becoming absurd.

This point shouldn’t get lost in the conflagration...testing, testing, testing.

Get the CCP participants as well as some real world endgame players to test drive champs pre-release and before you start selling them to the community.

And actually listen to their analysis.

Dr. Zola

Akhilxcx · September 2019

Aeternium said:
Give Moon Knight attention, please.

moon knight??? he is still in the game?? i completely forgot about him lol

Lvernon15 · September 2019

DrZola said:

Rickybobby1 said:
I don’t want rank down tickets.... I want the team in charge of putting out content to test the content. Put KT1 on your payroll if you have to. Slow down with rapid firing everything out to us. This is becoming absurd.
This point shouldn’t get lost in the conflagration...testing, testing, testing.

Get the CCP participants as well as some real world endgame players to test drive champs pre-release and before you start selling them to the community.

And actually listen to them.

Dr. Zola

Yes, if they say the champ is super strong nerf them before release before everyone buys crystals for them or spends 3 days of their life in arena for a champ to be nerfed cough namor cough, or at least announce they will be nerfed

Cliffordcan · September 2019

INTEGRAL said:
I am wondering what you are happy with Ronin. He is extremely useless at everything

Hey @Integral! Obviously they are happy that Ronin can't compete at an end game level. They think Cull can(which he actually can't, due to having no sustainability, terrible block proficiency and 1 piece of utility) and that is why they are nerfing him. It's pretty obvious they don't want any champs besides Ghost and Corvus to compete at an end game level.

G0311 · September 2019

Wow, you are going to kill off my main champ (cull), you know on second thought, im not liking the idea of revisiting new champs. Plus he already has limitations, like the ramping up plus he not always a good match up against a lot of champs. This month's uncollected is a good example, even 5* sig184 rank 5 didn't last long Against uncollected clair voyant. Im pretty sure what ever buff you do Ebony will not make up for the nerf of Cull. Wow, with cull other limitations include the following
1. Ramp up of several fights
2. Thanos's favor does not last long and can only be reapplied by a sp3
3. His rounte ability has a cool down time.
4. Champs that nullify takes his fury, not to mentioned nodes that turn off all buff for a period of time.
This is Discouraging and disheartening, im lucky that I have a robust roster, but there are a lot of others that count on that 1 or 2 champs that they have Painstakingly ranked up to complete the challenges of this game.

In the end, you know you got us, Mavel is popular and not many will go. If this game was about obscure characters that nobody knew about ,you wouldn't be able to pull the things you guys do, because if you did you would have no customers.

IsItthough · September 2019

Cliffordcan said:

INTEGRAL said:
I am wondering what you are happy with Ronin. He is extremely useless at everything
Hey @Integral! Obviously they are happy that Ronin can't compete at an end game level. They think Cull can(which he actually can't, due to having no sustainability, terrible block proficiency and 1 piece of utility) and that is why they are nerfing him. It's pretty obvious they don't want any champs besides Ghost and Corvus to compete at an end game level.

Don't Worry @Cliffordcan they are on the list for next months balancing. Which I say let's put it all out there. Let 12.0 this thing all over again and be done with it.

Stagedear85 · September 2019

@Kabam Miike if you guys going to rebalance CULL can you guys look at his Block damage also, he's not good due to him taking a lot of block damage which is why he's not useful in end game content when you compare him to other champ, he takes too much damage on blocking and even parry.

the_eradicator · September 2019

Seriously ?You want more players to quit ? Okay keep doing this and watch. BTW its Ronin who needs a buff .You just used ronin as an excuse to nerf cull obsidian. Ronin's damage satisfactory ? LOL.

gp87 · September 2019

Treinin said:

gp87 said:
Sorry guys are you being serious? We are spending resources and real money on a champs that the only think he has is damage. No immunities, no block proficiency. I used at my cull awakening gem, resources to rank him to r5 and all the sig stones from the 4th of july. And i dont count the spend of 400$ to his crystals. I am serious if you are going not to give us the resources back i will communicate with apple. This is not a behavior of a serious company.
Unfortunately @gp87 , this is why they put in their new policy on refunds. You can take it up with apple and then you basically won't be able to use units or play the game in any meaningful way. There is a reason that policy was put in before they started messing with our champs.

There is also a reason those first two champs were being 'buffed' which was to make this new process seem palatable. Going forward I expect nothing but nerfs of good champions and then minor tweaks to terrible champs that still leave them terrible to make it seem like they are doing it both ways.

And what must we do? There must be something. Stop playing the game? I really dont know. I will stop bying featured crystals for start.

Akhilxcx · September 2019

IDoge said:
Damn the community is wild. Yall need to calm down. They never said that they would nerf him to the ground. Please look me in the eyes(metaphorically) and tell me a 400k sp3 every fight is balanced. You can't. Their goal is to balance him to the point where he is still the strongest damage dealer in the game but not as much. Yes I know his block proficiency is low but his utility is no joke. He can counter evade and autoblock, has armor break, and can parry projectiles. His ramp up is not even hard yall just need to get the champ for once or get good. Stop begging for everything to be easy and go your way. Hell they could even bump up his block profiency which would be a win win.

well my proxima is getting 400k in sp3 when ramped up in long fights so should i be scared that she might be next victim of 'rebalancing'???

GroundedWisdom · September 2019

DrZola said:

GroundedWisdom said:
We don't know what changes are coming yet, so let's just wait and see. All we know is he's out damaging other Champs as shown in the data. Which you can easily see, regardless of how hard people say the ramp-up is.
A few points to consider...

1) Maybe the changes are minimal. But...there’s a lot of history here. You’ve played long enough to know this doesn’t occur in a vacuum.

2) Do you find ramp up difficult with Cull? Do you agree that you end up using items getting him to the stage where he deals a lot of damage?

3) There’s no way the team didn’t expect this to provoke such a volatile reaction. People spent crazy amounts of real world money to get a champ that dealt big damage.

Dr. Zola

They wouldn't be considering it if the Damage wasn't significant enough to look at. There are already Champs capable of high Damage in specific situations.
As for predicting the reactions, I'm sure they did. Miike just commented to that effect.

Lvernon15 · September 2019

IDoge said:
Damn the community is wild. Yall need to calm down. They never said that they would nerf him to the ground. Please look me in the eyes(metaphorically) and tell me a 400k sp3 every fight is balanced. You can't. Their goal is to balance him to the point where he is still the strongest damage dealer in the game but not as much. Yes I know his block proficiency is low but his utility is no joke. He can counter evade and autoblock, has armor break, and can parry projectiles. His ramp up is not even hard yall just need to get the champ for once or get good. Stop begging for everything to be easy and go your way. Hell they could even bump up his block profiency which would be a win win.

Proxima can do that and she takes ramp up, is she op? Nope, cull is just as impractical to ramp up as her in 6.2 and he required heavy attacks like proxima

Yotz · September 2019

I spent nearly $300 in cull obsidian cavalier crystals. Although I didn't get him, which was upsetting and limited how much I spend on cavalier crystals since then, I will definitely not be spending any money on cavalier crystals from now on, since characters are going to be subject to nerfing from now on. Furthermore, I feel like it isn't worth it to spend money on offers for rank up materials as I will have to wait a good 6 months to find out how good or bad new champions are. By that time, I will have saved up resources through normal channels in the game. This new trend encourages saving resources and not ranking up new characters. It makes the game less fun. Kabam, these decisions are shortsighted. In your effort to maximize profits you are encouraging us not to spend, and also take the game one step closer towards being boring and stale.

Upcoming Cull Obsidian and Ebony Maw Balance Changes

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