Throne Breaker Title Discussion [Merged Threads]

What are your thoughts? I have mixed feelings on this.

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You guys have been selling t5cc last 3-4 months to High end people like lollypop and grabbing the money.. Now that they are just clearing it with ease with r3 and boosts.. You guys in your mind are blindly thinking every act6 completion people have r3?

Mistakes are made by you guys! You have clearly made the game unbalanced the difference from top 3-5% people is ridiculous.. You are now stretching it even furthermore

You guys disrupt the balance and the f2p players pay for it..

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benshb

The R3 6-star requirement is not it. Why are you ACTIVELY PUNISHING people for beating highly difficult content with lower power level champions? Not only that, the difference between people of equal skill having a R3 6 star is either money spent, or just RNG. Why is this a requirement? If you really NEED another requirement for this title, make it so people have to do an initial clear of abyss of legends. At least that is reasonably attainable with r5 5-stars/R2 6 stars. Get rid of this R3 nonsense.
100% Abyss is closer to what we're aiming for here. 1 Clear is not the progression level we're aiming this at, but we wanted to give Players other routes to get to this level. This was initially going to be somewhere in the next Act, which would have been aimed at Summoners with teams of Rank 3 6-Stars, but since we changed directions on that, we decided to make it easier and put a clear measuring stick on Roster Progression.

Then why is the other requirement is a 6.4 completion? This is ridiculous. It's babysteps compared to having an 6r3

pseudosane

i suppose i'm in the minority that agrees with Kabam Mike ... it's not RNG. it's a choice. do you have 6* that you could take to R3. most people, YES. is it the one you want to take to R3? probalby not. maybe. who knows but the fact remains you have one that you could if the title is that important to you.

the requirement didn't say a 6* Rank 3 Titan Champ. it just said a 6* Rank 3 champ. pick one. any one. BUT i totally get it when resources are scarce. just saying ... the title CAN be achieved with any Rank 3 champ.
Perhaps, but it's not worth stressing out that much about. It's a step up, for sure. Just not that deep. People can wait to Rank the Champs they're working on, and they're not going to suffer.
You fail to understand the actual issue. Offers are tiered based on these titles. I'm the leader of a top250 ally, not everyone has r3s. We are all grinding for the black friday offers. Now the same units will buy different things, due to RNG in rankups, which is rubbish. Not skill, not time, just sheer luck.
The other changes, I could care less about. Offers, yes. Thats what im concerned about.
There's always going to be some requirement, and people are always going to complain about it because every cutoff means some will be left out waiting, and some will make it. That's inevitable.

This is a weak excuse. It is a fake gate for something that has already been done. Take your weak sauce roundabout justification out of here.

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GroundedWisdom

I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.
They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.
Honestly, if you guys want people to 100% Abyss before getting this title, do it. It just makes way more sense than involving RNG into titles.

RNG isn't involved, really. Other than amassing enough of one Class. Holding out for the best options is not a part of the requirement.

GroundedWisdom

i suppose i'm in the minority that agrees with Kabam Mike ... it's not RNG. it's a choice. do you have 6* that you could take to R3. most people, YES. is it the one you want to take to R3? probalby not. maybe. who knows but the fact remains you have one that you could if the title is that important to you.

the requirement didn't say a 6* Rank 3 Titan Champ. it just said a 6* Rank 3 champ. pick one. any one. BUT i totally get it when resources are scarce. just saying ... the title CAN be achieved with any Rank 3 champ.
Perhaps, but it's not worth stressing out that much about. It's a step up, for sure. Just not that deep. People can wait to Rank the Champs they're working on, and they're not going to suffer.
You fail to understand the actual issue. Offers are tiered based on these titles. I'm the leader of a top250 ally, not everyone has r3s. We are all grinding for the black friday offers. Now the same units will buy different things, due to RNG in rankups, which is rubbish. Not skill, not time, just sheer luck.
The other changes, I could care less about. Offers, yes. Thats what im concerned about.
There's always going to be some requirement, and people are always going to complain about it because every cutoff means some will be left out waiting, and some will make it. That's inevitable.
This is a weak excuse. It is a fake gate for something that has already been done. Take your weak sauce roundabout justification out of here.

If it was a fake gate for something that's already been done, people wouldn't be here complaining about it.

Stuch

I understand that you guys want to make this harder to get so I’m fine with not getting this title until I get a 6* R3. My problem, though, is how long and hard it is to get a full T5CC, so I hope that you guys add more of them to Cavalier eq and sq, act 6 quest/chapter exploration, and maybe some 2% crystals in the glory store. Again, I understand that this supposed to be a gap between getting Cavalier and Thronebreaker, but I think it’s important to have some more T5CC in the economy to make it a little easier to bridge that gap

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Kabam Miike

I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.
They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.
Honestly, if you guys want people to 100% Abyss before getting this title, do it. It just makes way more sense than involving RNG into titles.

100% Abyss is still lower than we're aiming for, honestly. This title is aimed at people that probably already have teams of Rank 3 6-Stars, but we want to make it more accessible. Again, this was originally going to be for somewhere in the next Act, which would have been aimed at players with multiple Rank 3 Champions.

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Kabam Miike

To be really clear here (and let the dislikes pour in), this is meant to be a differentiating factor between players in the Cavalier progression level, and those that are far advanced from there.

As you guys are well aware, there is a huge breadth of players that have hit Cavalier status, from those that have beaten Act 6 Chapter 1 just once, to those that have explored Abyss of Legends, and take on the Grandmaster and Champion bosses daily just for fun.

It becomes extremely difficult for us to make content that targets everybody in that group when one end is so far ahead of the other. As we moved away from making Act content our measuring stick for Summoner Roster and Skill Progression, we had to move to other measurements. Having 1x Rank 3 6-Star is quite low on the scale of differentiation since many of these Summoners have quite a lot more.

If you haven't hit that point yet, that's okay. There's still a lot for you to benefit from as a Cavalier, and those benefits will help you as you progress and grow towards the next level.
I’ve completed Act 6. I can 100% Cavalier difficulty. I’m no where near a R3 because RNG won’t go my way. If you plan on making t5cc truly available to where I don’t have to 100% Act or complete an AOL path just to know you’ll have a full one, then this is ok. However if you’re just going to keep giving 20% a month and in that 20% you’re giving 2% crystals that FURTHER make it an RNG dependent title, then it’s a load of BS.
There's a pretty great special Nexus Crystal and T5CC in the Abyss Rewards.

Before somebody else posts it, let me: "Don't have an R3? Kabam Miike just said beat Abyss to get this, like that's easy!"

The Abyss of Legends is an option but it's not the only way. And to be frank, this title is more aimed at those that can 100% Abyss of Legends. We just chose to make it easier than that for those that choose alternate ways to progress their Rosters.

If we hadn't shifted the philosophy for where to put this, you would have gotten it probably after Chapter 2 of Book 2 Act 1. This would have been aimed at Summoners with teams of Rank 3 Champions.

You have time. You don't have to do this today, or even right when this comes out. Use your Cavalier Benefits to help you progress our team.

EDIT: I had mistakenly said there's a T5CC Selector in the Abyss Rewards.
The edit shows how aware you are of the game and progression. So stop defending the 6* r3 restriction

Hey man, I've got to keep info on every part of the game in my head. I will definitely make mistakes, and I am going to double down on defending this requirement because this is much lower than originally intended when it was just based on Act Progression.

Masterpuff

Actually hold on. In my first post I said the second requirement (if any), should be initial abyss completion. But honestly, if they're "Aiming this title at those who 100% abyss", MAKE IT THAT. Make it initial completion of act 6, and 100% Abyss. YOU CAN DO 100% ABYSS WITHOUT ANY 6 STARS AT ALL. You guys are trying to lock this title behind spending or extreme luck, and are doing a poor job defending it.

I think they didn’t do that since this is technically a “story progression” milestone.

benshb

I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.
They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.
Honestly, if you guys want people to 100% Abyss before getting this title, do it. It just makes way more sense than involving RNG into titles.
RNG isn't involved, really. Other than amassing enough of one Class. Holding out for the best options is not a part of the requirement.

I can't wait to see your 6*r3 gameplay of a unduped superior iron man

pseudosane

i suppose i'm in the minority that agrees with Kabam Mike ... it's not RNG. it's a choice. do you have 6* that you could take to R3. most people, YES. is it the one you want to take to R3? probalby not. maybe. who knows but the fact remains you have one that you could if the title is that important to you.

the requirement didn't say a 6* Rank 3 Titan Champ. it just said a 6* Rank 3 champ. pick one. any one. BUT i totally get it when resources are scarce. just saying ... the title CAN be achieved with any Rank 3 champ.
Perhaps, but it's not worth stressing out that much about. It's a step up, for sure. Just not that deep. People can wait to Rank the Champs they're working on, and they're not going to suffer.
You fail to understand the actual issue. Offers are tiered based on these titles. I'm the leader of a top250 ally, not everyone has r3s. We are all grinding for the black friday offers. Now the same units will buy different things, due to RNG in rankups, which is rubbish. Not skill, not time, just sheer luck.
The other changes, I could care less about. Offers, yes. Thats what im concerned about.
There's always going to be some requirement, and people are always going to complain about it because every cutoff means some will be left out waiting, and some will make it. That's inevitable.
This is a weak excuse. It is a fake gate for something that has already been done. Take your weak sauce roundabout justification out of here.
If it was a fake gate for something that's already been done, people wouldn't be here complaining about it.

Of course they would. They did something, now you gate their achievement. Do you read what you are writing?

EDIT: now i noticed who I was responding to. Never mind, never mind. Guardian of Justice is here.

DNA3000

It’s great and all.. but I’ve 100% everything except for two paths of abyss, I have 2 T5CC, and no one to use them on. I’m not going to rank 3 someone like Iron Fist to get a title. It doesn’t seem like a measure of progression should be RNG based

What do you tell people who say the only reason you have 100% everything and completed Abyss paths was because of RNG in the first place?

So long as RNG exists in the game, it will have some impact on progress, all progress. It is a question of degree, not of being affected by RNG or not. There were lots of options for Kabam to consider when it came to this next tier of progress, given their desire to incorporate roster progress into overall progress rather than just content progress. The requirement has to be hard, or it isn't a useful gauge of game progress. And by definition, if it is hard, it is something most people, even most Cavalier players, not only haven't done, but also can't easily do immediately.

Having a rank 3 is no more or less reasonable a requirement compared to any other option really, given the desire to incorporate roster progress as a component of overall progress.

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Kabam Miike

I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.
They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.
Honestly, if you guys want people to 100% Abyss before getting this title, do it. It just makes way more sense than involving RNG into titles.
100% Abyss is still lower than we're aiming for, honestly. This title is aimed at people that probably already have teams of Rank 3 6-Stars, but we want to make it more accessible. Again, this was originally going to be for somewhere in the next Act, which would have been aimed at players with multiple Rank 3 Champions.
I'm a bit confused by this lol. So you're goal was to keep this title at a threshold of player who has explored Abyss, but you decided to make it more accessible? Um... thanks?

Not just at those that had explored Abyss, but would have little trouble with it.

Kabam Miike

I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.
They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.
Honestly, if you guys want people to 100% Abyss before getting this title, do it. It just makes way more sense than involving RNG into titles.
100% Abyss is still lower than we're aiming for, honestly. This title is aimed at people that probably already have teams of Rank 3 6-Stars, but we want to make it more accessible. Again, this was originally going to be for somewhere in the next Act, which would have been aimed at players with multiple Rank 3 Champions.
Jesus Christ. At this point just make people sacrifice a limb lol. You're talking up a storm with this title being all important, for all this it better GIVE you a R3 6 Star every day lmfao.

I don't see where we're pushing this as all important. In fact, I've been pretty adamant that Summoners know that they don't have to do this right away.

Catapoulpe

Will there be any Throne breaker deal for cyber weekend ? I'm saving all my units for this so if I can't buy it then tell me now and I would use my units to do the Abyss

Werewrym

I honestly think it is a good thing in the long run. It sets the target high rather than something like cavalier which is accessible within like a month of playing the game.

SwarmOfRavens

People are overreacting. Chances that you've explored act 6 and done a path in Abyss and lack a r3 are low.
They're nerfing act 6 and book 2 is coming out with new avenues for t5cc
There's 2 10% from cavalier monthly as well as things like side events and one off events
There's no rush to get it day one as there's no new calendar or anything crazy that you're missing out on

Doesn't matter if you have all the T5CC in the game when you don't have a 6* worthy of R3 that would benefit your roster.
If you've progressed that far and don't have any r3 worthy champs you've been screwed by rng.
Which is nothing new to this game
Yes. But locking something that has been skill based all this time behind RNG is a 5 leaps backward

Do you think titles haven't been rng dependant before.
I spent 3 months locked behind cavalier because I couldn't pull a 5* bleed immune for crossbones. At that point I already had lol completed as well 3 variants and act 5 explored.
This game has been the personification of RNG. I would love to see it changed but I don't see why people are acting like this is their first time dealing with Kabam

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GroundedWisdom

i suppose i'm in the minority that agrees with Kabam Mike ... it's not RNG. it's a choice. do you have 6* that you could take to R3. most people, YES. is it the one you want to take to R3? probalby not. maybe. who knows but the fact remains you have one that you could if the title is that important to you.

the requirement didn't say a 6* Rank 3 Titan Champ. it just said a 6* Rank 3 champ. pick one. any one. BUT i totally get it when resources are scarce. just saying ... the title CAN be achieved with any Rank 3 champ.
Perhaps, but it's not worth stressing out that much about. It's a step up, for sure. Just not that deep. People can wait to Rank the Champs they're working on, and they're not going to suffer.
You fail to understand the actual issue. Offers are tiered based on these titles. I'm the leader of a top250 ally, not everyone has r3s. We are all grinding for the black friday offers. Now the same units will buy different things, due to RNG in rankups, which is rubbish. Not skill, not time, just sheer luck.
The other changes, I could care less about. Offers, yes. Thats what im concerned about.
There's always going to be some requirement, and people are always going to complain about it because every cutoff means some will be left out waiting, and some will make it. That's inevitable.
This is a weak excuse. It is a fake gate for something that has already been done. Take your weak sauce roundabout justification out of here.
If it was a fake gate for something that's already been done, people wouldn't be here complaining about it.
Of course they would. They did something, now you gate their achievement. Do you read what you are writing?

EDIT: now i noticed who I was responding to. Never mind, never mind. Guardian of Justice is here.

It's just not an unreasonable goal for what it is and what comes with it. That's the only thing I'm defending. If it was a ludicrous expectation, I'd probably be more silent. The simple fact is, you need at least ONE R3 for the Title. That's it.

Destroy4589

You can and people are "easily" beating and exploring the abyss with 5* r5 champs. People are beating and exploring act 6 with 5* r5 champs. Ranking up has never been part of previous progression titles and it doesn't make sense to include one now that is so RNG dependent. In reality, if you are in a try-hard alliance, you only r3 a champ that gives you prestige because that's how the game has been made to be.

Just say you only want this new title to be for those who have done abyss 100% and call it a day. Initial completion of act 6 doesn't even require an r3 champ and most have already completed it with 5* r5 champs.

Kabam Miike

I appreciate this and the benefits look awesome overall especially the ones you’ll be adding progressively overtime but I don’t understand the r3 restriction seriously I’ve had act 6 completed for a couple months now and I’m almost half way done with exploration and I did everything else else in the game accept abyss and I’m still only half way there too a tech and cosmic t5cc I feel like it shouldn’t have that restriction cuz most players th at just completed act6 won’t have a r3

I know that nobody wants to hear this, but if there's where you're at in progress, you're just simply not ready for this yet. This is not aimed at Summoners that are still completing this content.

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@Kabam Miike

Can we question as to why Cavalier players don’t have their GMC daily shards changed over to Cavalier shards?

As I said in a previous post it makes sense to allow Cavalier players to get 1 via shards every 2 weeks and then 1 every week with this new title.

As a Cavalier progressed player my road block will soon become not having enough quality 6*’s to go further. Allowing Cavalier players access to a free Cav crystal every other week would make it easier to have a chance at the possibility of getting more 6*’s.

I currently have 12 6*’s all gained from the 6* shard crystal. And of those 12 only 2 are viable to bring in a questing team. That’s the only place I can get them for free. Short of buying the cav crystal with units that is.

Maybe throwing Cavalier players a bone would help with the frustration. I don’t understand why you have gates dependent on 6*’s yet short people the chance and opportunity to get them.