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The new end date will be May 1st.
Tos/ privacy polocy
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*Policy.
You keep referencing the ToS in everything you said. Clearly I overstated your brilliant legal mind.
Then you post a picture of the ToS stating it has changed. I'm saying they are 2 different things. The Tos can change while the privacy policy stays the same and vice-versa.
At least you let people know to read them.
The privacy policy doesn't say they should inform you.
It just states, informing you of changes to ToS and/or Privacy policy as a reason for obtaining your personal information.
as @Demonzfyre already showed, Kabam posting the updated ToS on their website for everyone to see already fulfills their requirement per their own ToS.
This is not a GDPR issue. It has nothing to do with personal information.
ok now I know you're just trolling. No one can be this dense.
That's false. Terms of Service agreements have been upheld in both the US and the EU as legally valid contracts. There is some disagreement as to the precise requirements for them to become legally binding but that's a technicality: if you do not agree to, or somehow invalidate the TOS then you no longer have the right to use the service. To the best of my knowledge, it has never been upheld anywhere that someone could invalidate the TOS of a service and then dictate to the service provider under what terms they would be required to offer service. If there's no valid contract to use the service, you can't use the service.
I don't know where the myth that TOS are not valid contracts comes from, but I suspect people not familiar with the law are confusing arguments over whether a person *accepted* the terms of a TOS and arguments over whether the TOS is legally binding *after* a person legally accepts those terms. The former is heavily litigated. The latter is not.
As far as I'm aware, the GDPR does not say that. The GDPR mandates in part that users must affirmatively agree to the policy governing the collection and use of their private information. If *that* specifically changes, then the GDPR kicks in and the service provider must follow the affirmative requirements of the GDPR. But if contract terms change that do not alter the specified personal information collected or the specified usages for that information, the GDPR does not apply.
On the surface, it looks like the Privacy policy was reorganized and sections added to clarify certain areas, including those affected by the GDPR. It does not look like the actual data collected has changed or the usage of that data. In fact, the largest difference in the policy seems to be the articulation of the rights EU citizens explicitly have under the GDPR which did not exist in previous versions. I also see a specific change I might have prompted when discussing the policy with Kabam which in net effect simply eliminates the potential for them to use personal information in one specific way, but doesn't add any use cases.
Whether Kabam is required to re-affirm agreement to the policy when it is reworded but its terms are not materially altered, is a grey area of the GDPR as far as I'm aware.
What massive changes are you talking about? You have yet to state that. Do you read the ToS and the privacy POLICY (since you can't spell the word) everyday to know there were changes made? If DNA is right (which he's usually pretty close) and it was just a structure reorganization then there wouldn't be a need for communication. Do you have a list of changes made to either the ToS or the P.P that shows there were changes made on January 3rd?
Again, Kabam and it's legal department have been pretty solid. I highly doubt they have done anything wrong in this situation and you are making a huge deal out of nothing entirely.
We wanted to address your question with relation to the Terms of Service update on January 3. Please keep in mind that notice of the changes is given by updating the Terms of Service page showing the date, as you saw. In the rare situation when necessary to communicate any substantial material changes, additional notification may be sent through in-game or email.
The changes made this time were about some re-wording of the Terms of Service and some re-ordering of paragraphs to make them easier and clearer to read and no material changes to policy were made. Thanks for your understanding!
@Jester123 you see. I called it early on in your thread. Nothing changed at all. Good luck with your witch hunt.
The current privacy policy states this:
Although the original version was more wordy, the two seem to articulate the same sharing. The original contained several sections referring to how *other* entities might collect information having nothing to do directly with Kabam, and those might have been edited out to avoid legal confusion or misrepresentation. In particular, both mention third parties in terms of a) third party service providers, b) business partners, c) acquiring companies, and d) law enforcement. The only new thing I see is "Kabam affiliates" in the new version. I'm not sure that's a legally material change.
I work adjacent to them a lot, and I used to work with them a lot. Mostly patent attorneys in the past, and regulatory ones these days.
There's nothing worse than having to sit through legal seminars and not actually get to bill at attorney's rates.
You cant spell policy. I doubt You actually know how to contact a goverment agency let alone know which laws were broke.
All I know is that I had discussions directly with Kabam regarding their privacy policy in September and October of 2018, and at that time it did not contain such lists. I have copies saved from that period of time. To the best of my recollection, I never saw such lists in any version I looked at.
You do have the right to request Kabam to explain why they made any changes to their privacy policy that are material to your personal data. If you think they used to do something they now don't, or told you something they now don't, you can request them to clarify using the contact information in the privacy policy. You also have the right to ask what information they collect about you, and who they shared that information with. I would exercise that right if you are concerned. The mods can't address legal questions directly, but Kabam's privacy department and legal department should be able to upon request.
I find this unlikely for a lot of reasons. But the ICO is required to disclose their actions, so we don't have to take anyone's word for this. Whether they rule for you or against you, that will become public knowledge soon enough. And if we hear nothing at all, that too will say something.