People Misunderstand

NuHuman_2099

Okay so we have all seen the posts and rants and videos of champions who fall into God, Great, Good or Meh categories.
A very large percentage of the playerbase will likely go Ballistic here once im done, so sit down have a read and please leave your ego at the beginning of the thread.

Everything you have seen is WRONG.
There are NO GOD TIER champions.
There are NO MEH/BAD champions.
YES, some champions get the job done better than others, and heres why;

Its not God, Great, Good, Meh/Bad.
Its a difficulty system.
You think im wrong or full of S***?
Have a think.
Heres some in the Easy category.
Hyperion, Star Lord, Blade, Scarlet Witch, Thor and Hulk. These champions are considered God by a lot of players. WRONG. They are simple and yes very effective, BUT, Dont think you have actual skill when using these champions as your using champions dumbed down to pure damage and health basis. EASY.
So what about Meh/Bad champions?
Ant-Man, Carnage, Collosus, Luke Cage, Sentry.
These champions all have a certain way to really make them stand out. (Sure Collosus might actually not be any good but hes here so deal with it)
These champions are very difficult to use and succeed frequently. This takes SKILL, and PRECISION. These champions are HARD champions.
Have a think ladies and gentlemen....
I hope I have opened a few eyes, especially Meta Grinders who have to watch youtube to be any good at this game.

Why have I done this?
Because for so long now I have been told that I can only use champions like Star Lord, Hyperion, Scarlett Witch for fights because they stomp all.
I have taken teams of the Hard champions or 'Meh/Bad' against the likes of Maestro or even through Act V. Carnage, Ant-Man, Thor (Jane Foster), Vulture and Spider-Gwen.
These people succeed. They are overlooked because no-one in this game plays specific champions because they like them or they're favorites from comics, most the players grind the Meta and this games meta puts Easy-to-use champions as Gods.
Enjoy people. Enjoy.

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GroundedWisdom

You're saying people use the Top Tier Champs because they're the easy Champs, and they have little skill. Is that what you're saying?

AMF

I agree with you. It is quite a bit about skill. My top champs are Archangel, Star Lord, Doc Voodoo, Iceman, and Ultron. All duped. But I bet, based on what you've written, that you would clear more content with Carnage, Falcon, Joe Fixit, Colossus, and Loki than I would with my guys. That doesn't mean I still don't wanna use my best champs anyway.

Frankly, I am in awe of the skill some of these players on Youtube demonstrate. And a bit jealous, too.

PhonieStark

If I was putting shingles on my roof, and had to choose between a hammer or a nail gun, I'm choosing the nail gun every time. The hammer can do the job, yes, but #imlazy.

beyonder8421

Those videos are meant for AW.

And the same champion that is a category in defense, is another category in offense.

I do agree that it is a matter of skill, judging by my not very successful 4 star Blade. But that "easyness" in which they handle the fights is what makes them better. So yes, in a way, "god-tier" is not a proper adjective for a champion as only the person using him makes him belong in one or another category.

Having said that, my 5 star King Groot takes forever to finish a fight. Now, I am not sure in which categories he is placing right now, but if I cannot use him in Act V, then he is not "godly" or "easy".

What would be the point of taking a low-damage output champion to Act V? The longer the fight, the more chances you have to make a mistake.

So it really doesn't matter the name of the category, those "easy-godly" champions are the ones you actually need to save time and money.

You can take Antman to the Labyrinth all you like, no one will stop you from succeeding with him. It will just take you around 16 hours to finish it.

beyonder8421

Another thing, without certain champions you will suffer and give up. How many options do you have against RoL Wolverine? (apart from Guillotine).

Crusher

I don't see any special skills for using a colossus, Kamala Khan or any other meh champions.. they r difficult champs to use for sure... I agreed .. because they takes ages to defeat a high health or resistance champs .. so I believe that they r really hard to play .. using of these champs make tidy and frustrated...lol

DTMelodicMetal

NuHuman_2099 wrote: »

Okay so we have all seen the posts and rants and videos of champions who fall into God, Great, Good or Meh categories.
A very large percentage of the playerbase will likely go Ballistic here once im done, so sit down have a read and please leave your ego at the beginning of the thread.

Everything you have seen is WRONG.
There are NO GOD TIER champions.
There are NO MEH/BAD champions.
YES, some champions get the job done better than others, and heres why;

Its not God, Great, Good, Meh/Bad.
Its a difficulty system.
You think im wrong or full of S***?
Have a think.
Heres some in the Easy category.
Hyperion, Star Lord, Blade, Scarlet Witch, Thor and Hulk. These champions are considered God by a lot of players. WRONG. They are simple and yes very effective, BUT, Dont think you have actual skill when using these champions as your using champions dumbed down to pure damage and health basis. EASY.
So what about Meh/Bad champions?
Ant-Man, Carnage, Collosus, Luke Cage, Sentry.
These champions all have a certain way to really make them stand out. (Sure Collosus might actually not be any good but hes here so deal with it)
These champions are very difficult to use and succeed frequently. This takes SKILL, and PRECISION. These champions are HARD champions.
Have a think ladies and gentlemen....
I hope I have opened a few eyes, especially Meta Grinders who have to watch youtube to be any good at this game.

Why have I done this?
Because for so long now I have been told that I can only use champions like Star Lord, Hyperion, Scarlett Witch for fights because they stomp all.
****.
I have taken teams of the Hard champions or 'Meh/Bad' against the likes of Maestro or even through Act V. Carnage, Ant-Man, Thor (Jane Foster), Vulture and Spider-Gwen.
These people succeed. They are overlooked because no-one in this game plays specific champions because they like them or they're favorites from comics, most the players grind the Meta and this games meta puts Easy-to-use champions as Gods.
Enjoy people. Enjoy.

Would you throw in star rating and rank to your point as well? I learned a lot from completing RTTL Act 4 and Story Quest Act 4 with 3*s (some, not all), master event quests with 4* 3/30s, and Act 5.1 exploration with 4* 4/40s. I agree with your comment, though playing more difficult content with lower star and lower ranked champs was my best teacher with learning how to play with skill.

Kpatrix

I get what you're saying and agree with your reasoning to a degree, but not completely. Some champs are just better to use as they are more effective and efficient. You don't want to make already hard content any harder, or make fights any longer.

A couple of the best players I know had horrible luck coming up with their pulls, but they didn't let that stop them from doing content. It actually helped them develop skills so that when they finally pulled one of the good ones, they were pretty much unstoppable then.

That doesn't mean there aren't tiers of champs though, it just means that you can develop better skills by using lower tier champs more frequently to hone your skills.

Amonthir

Skill in using champs does not equal the champs being good at all. The tier system is an unofficial, but easily understood system for raring overall effectiveness of a champion vs various kinds of content. SG is a decent champion, but if you have superior options available, why not use those? It’s like the hammer vs nail gun comparison a poster made earlier. Why use the less efficient means to accomplish your goal? Yes, some people do have favorite champions that aren’t at the top of most players’ lists, and you can certainly clear content with your favorite Joe Fixit. And if you value the subjective ‘fun’ of playing your fave over a higher likelihood of clearing without dying or item usage, go for it. I will Clear hard content with the champs best suited to the task, and save playing with my faves for event quests.
But in any competitive part of the game, champ effectiveness is super heightened and important, so that is the reason the lists get made and debated so much. Fight LoL with your Colossus on your own time, don’t bring that weaker, less effective champ (I mean, he is certainly no Cyclops) to AW offense.

AlCapone2727

I'll use the "gods" because frankly f$&% things like limbo, thorns, mephisto, electro, etc. Good luck if you think you can 100% LoL with **** champs without spending a fortune or spending an assload of hours grinding then proceeding to hit rulk 2000 times with a 5/65 colossus. You know how I deal with colossus? I put him in the back of my mind and just bring him out for arena. I 100% Act 4 with duped IP, duped colossus, max dupe HB, duped venom, and unduped cap because they were all the 4*s i had then got rulk for beating it and have never used them since because they sucked at their job even though they could do it. Know who I used for slashed tires juggs? My wallet because no one but cap could handle it and even then...know who I used for maestro when his Arc Overload used to be OP without a high damage or heal block? 3* dupe level 8 SW, because none of my champs you claim to be able were able. I only have 2 4/45s because I refuse to make the mistake of ranking BAD champions up again. Rant over

Snaggle

This was extremely painful/cringe to read.

DaMunk

This Is some of the most broken logic I've seen on here. If a champ is much more efficient at most game play he's better. If on average I can use Sparks to win a fight 40% faster, he's better. Just because a bad champ can still do the job doesn't mean he's good at it.
I could use my car to haul gravel but my truck is better at it because it can do the job faster and more efficiently.

Knightarthus

So you are saying that someone who pulled 6* trash Gamora should be just as happy as someone who pulled Angela? Let’s see...

Gamora has nothing going for her. Her “guaranteed crits specials” hit for less than most. Specials bleed is exactly the same with special 1&2 so you are forced to use special one to try and increase the damage. If you dupe her her specials may hit hard once per fight which is useless in end game content.

Angela has fury, regeneration, armour up, one of the hardest hitting special 3s, heavy attack increased damage ... etc.

The same player would benefit much more from Angela than Gamora. I useful that example because I got 6* Gamora and 5* Angela. I ranked Angela to 5*. I have the same skill as myself obviously, Gamora doesn’t take skill to master anyway. Gamora is garbage, Angela is great.

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NuHuman_2099 wrote: »

Okay so we have all seen the posts and rants and videos of champions who fall into God, Great, Good or Meh categories.
A very large percentage of the playerbase will likely go Ballistic here once im done, so sit down have a read and please leave your ego at the beginning of the thread.

Everything you have seen is WRONG.
There are NO GOD TIER champions.
There are NO MEH/BAD champions.
YES, some champions get the job done better than others, and heres why;

Its not God, Great, Good, Meh/Bad.
Its a difficulty system.
You think im wrong or full of S***?
Have a think.
Heres some in the Easy category.
Hyperion, Star Lord, Blade, Scarlet Witch, Thor and Hulk. These champions are considered God by a lot of players. WRONG. They are simple and yes very effective, BUT, Dont think you have actual skill when using these champions as your using champions dumbed down to pure damage and health basis. EASY.
So what about Meh/Bad champions?
Ant-Man, Carnage, Collosus, Luke Cage, Sentry.
These champions all have a certain way to really make them stand out. (Sure Collosus might actually not be any good but hes here so deal with it)
These champions are very difficult to use and succeed frequently. This takes SKILL, and PRECISION. These champions are HARD champions.
Have a think ladies and gentlemen....
I hope I have opened a few eyes, especially Meta Grinders who have to watch youtube to be any good at this game.

Why have I done this?
Because for so long now I have been told that I can only use champions like Star Lord, Hyperion, Scarlett Witch for fights because they stomp all.
****.
I have taken teams of the Hard champions or 'Meh/Bad' against the likes of Maestro or even through Act V. Carnage, Ant-Man, Thor (Jane Foster), Vulture and Spider-Gwen.
These people succeed. They are overlooked because no-one in this game plays specific champions because they like them or they're favorites from comics, most the players grind the Meta and this games meta puts Easy-to-use champions as Gods.
Enjoy people. Enjoy.

hahaha.....I dare u to take carnage she hulk and colossus in map 6. 1 poison immune 1 bleed immune champ as well. Since you say people who use god tier champs have little skill why don't u use these 3 champs in map 6 and complete 3 routes all the days without using items.

GroundedWisdom

The Champ doesn't make the Player. Regardless of how "easy" you think the Champs are, they're not as useful in the hands of people who have less experience. I don't think it's a fair statement to say that these Champs are used to take the easy street. People have to have skill to use them. Consequently, a truly skilled Player can make use of any Champ. Now, some enjoy challenging themselves further, but that doesn't mean everyone else has less skill. Patience and time, perhaps. Lol

Solswerd

NuHuman_2099 wrote: »

A lot of people will look at this and either abuse me because 'I dont know what im talking about' or laugh at me because they think this is wrong.
They are the arrogant ones.

I think you have some interesting ideas, and do agree about players ignoring some champs because they haave a built in bias or decide that if the champ is not on the "god tier" list it is worth nothing.

But as far as arrogant goes....your OP tells us to "leave our ego at the beginning of the thread"...then proceeds to lecture us like we are idiot children...and finishes with the insanely pretentious "Enjoy people. Enjoy". Followed up with the above quoted post where you pretty much say that anyone that disagrees with you is arrogant.

I cannot tell if you were just overly-defensive about putting a new idea out there? Or if this is just trolling done very well....

Heyheyhey

Hello from the other side

Mmx1991

Try beating Labyrinth with an Antman or Hawkeye.

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BitterSteel

NuHuman_2099 wrote: »

So some people agree on a level whereas some of you still think... well normal.
I'll just explain the core feat of this entire thread;
Eg;
Star Lord. 4* R5 Lvl 50 S99.
So long as you smash hit after hit after hit and dont get fragged yourself, hes such a powerful champion. He is one of the most showcased characters by youtubers.
Now i can tell you that sure hes great but everyone only uses him because the Meta grinders/youtubers and no lifers have made characters like him... gods, to the game. Everyone wants him because they seem what he could do.
Now Carnage was the opposite, ignor His sig bleed increase etc, if These meta grinders and youtubers couldnt comprehend Carnage so what did they do, made videos stating hes "Garabage, not Carnage". Now everyone else overlooks him
And its not just these two champs. So many get appraised by skilless players and abused by them and the playerbase is like a herd of sheep.... going where their Shepherd forces them too...

I don’t overlook carnage because some bloke on YouTube told me to. I overlook carnage because he is absolutely dire.

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PhonieStark

When the nail gun fails, I go get another nail gun. Or my house gets ruined.

PhonieStark

All I'm saying, for example, I waited until I had more suitable champs to do act 4 than rushing in and spending A ton of money to finish it quickly. When I finished 100% I actually spent $0. I don't think that makes me someone who only believes that certain champs can do the job.

PhonieStark

As for the YouTubers, they are building neighborhoods and apartment complexes with their accounts. I'm just trying to fix my roof.