Remove abuse and spam from viewable account metrics.

What are you talking about? I wasn't involved in anything like this.

I agree. The Reporting Function needs to be anonymous.

I'm confused, this was received by me as a Private Message. The new forums are strange.

yes obviously a failed exercise in subtly

Time_to_clobber

MayhemEffect wrote: »

being able to see flags on another person's account is similar to discussing punishments taken, in that it will highlight and isolate the person. As average users we should not see that.

I do understand why you say that but I think I would prefer if they keep it the way it is. I asked a player if he was websnatcher and I got flagged twice. I liked that I was able to see who it was. I also think that people that flag others frivolously should get infractions.

Seeing who Flags what is just asking for trouble. People will be calling each other out on who reports what.

Time_to_clobber wrote: »

MayhemEffect wrote: »

being able to see flags on another person's account is similar to discussing punishments taken, in that it will highlight and isolate the person. As average users we should not see that.

I do understand why you say that but I think I would prefer if they keep it the way it is. I asked a player if he was websnatcher and I got flagged twice. I liked being able to see who it was. I also think that people that flag others frivolously should get infractions.

That is another reason it should be hidden. If visible it can also lead to more lynch mobs. People can still be punished for using the report function frivolously regardless if it is public or private.

Time_to_clobber

I guess that's true Mayhem.

Wolfe

I am on the opposite side though. Unless the mods can come up with a new set of rule that punishes people who abuse the flag button, it should be kept visible till further notice. I also believe that one should be held accountable for their own actions so there is no need to hide the button.

VandalSavage

The "flag" button will get abused because, in their mind, if they get enough reports, the target will get punished. Since the info is publically available, this will encourage people to "pile it on" as well as create an incentive to create multiple forum accounts just to flag people for abuse or spam.

A friend of mine plays a star wars trading game. LIke any trading game, a person can receive many trades from many people. Once a trade is accepted, all other trades that includes the now-traded item are set to ignore. Obviously, a player can no longer trade an item he no longer have in his inventory. This shouldn't be too hard to understand unless you are like my friend, who naturally sees himself as intelligent -- as in well, well, well above the average person -- but I know better.

He said he was tired of people "wasting his time" and that if people didn't like his trade, they should send a counter-offer and not simply ignore it.

So one weekend, he claimed to have clicked the report button 30 times. I didn't ask if he singled out a few people and reported them 30 times or if it was 30 different people. I just know he said he reported 30 times.

Keep in mind that the targets of his hate were not in any way violating any games rules, hidden rules of behavior, spamming his inbox with insults, or any of that nature. All they did was not accept his trade, which is a good enough reason for him to report these people.

This sillyness isn't his first time. He also reported people to Zynga years ago when he played Mafia Wars. He claimed that he was being "bullied" simply because his weak ass showed up on someone's battle list and got picked and his newsfeed showed who they were.

(In other games that are similar to MW, the false cries of bullying are non-existent when the newsfeed does not identify the attacker.)

In other words, there is no stopping people to falsely claiming that a person's post is abuse or spam. All they need is a target.

In my travels, I've never heard of a case of people getting punished for misuing the report button.

VandalSavage

Wolfe wrote: »

I am on the opposite side though. Unless the mods can come up with a new set of rule that punishes people who abuse the flag button, it should be kept visible till further notice. I also believe that one should be held accountable for their own actions so there is no need to hide the button.

In our profiles, we can only see the number of times other people had clicked spam, abuse, agree, like, etc for your posts.

They should also include the number of times we clicked spam, abuse, agree, etc. for other people's posts to complete the "circle of life".

Vdh2008

I find it entertaining that this post has been flagged 2 times.

You should not be able to anonymously report or flag things. If something is truly offensive, then you should be expected to back up your flag. If something isn't offensive or abusive, you shouldn't flag it. Period. If you can't explain why you flagged something, then you shouldn't have flagged it to begin with.

So I just opened *******'s profile, and I'm sorry for this slight derailment, but dude you have:
2 abusive posts.
26 posts marked spam.
and 22 posts marked LOL.
It's like 3 days into the new forums.

I just found this and this is exactly the kind of behaviour that I am concerned with, it is already starting and in only 3 days. Names have of course been removed for the sake of not pointing fingers at either person.

Injustice

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Seeing who Flags what is just asking for trouble. People will be calling each other out on who reports what.

Agreed. The system just works better not being able to see who rates who. People would be more inclined to use the ratings honestly.

Injustice wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Seeing who Flags what is just asking for trouble. People will be calling each other out on who reports what.

Agreed. The system just works better not being able to see who rates who. People would be more inclined to use the ratings honestly.

The opposite is also true. People would have the green light to report anyone just because they don't like them or they think that their avatar is stupid.

CrusherOfDreams wrote: »

Injustice wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Seeing who Flags what is just asking for trouble. People will be calling each other out on who reports what.

Agreed. The system just works better not being able to see who rates who. People would be more inclined to use the ratings honestly.

The opposite is also true. People would have the green light to report anyone just because they don't like them or they think that their avatar is stupid.

It looks like some people are doing that anyways.

CrusherOfDreams wrote: »

Injustice wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Seeing who Flags what is just asking for trouble. People will be calling each other out on who reports what.

Agreed. The system just works better not being able to see who rates who. People would be more inclined to use the ratings honestly.

The opposite is also true. People would have the green light to report anyone just because they don't like them or they think that their avatar is stupid.

People have that right either way. Some just Flag because they don't like the person. It's up to the Mods to review them and decide what applies or not. Having it visible just invites friction.

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

CrusherOfDreams wrote: »

Injustice wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Seeing who Flags what is just asking for trouble. People will be calling each other out on who reports what.

Agreed. The system just works better not being able to see who rates who. People would be more inclined to use the ratings honestly.

The opposite is also true. People would have the green light to report anyone just because they don't like them or they think that their avatar is stupid.

People have that right either way. Some just Flag because they don't like the person. It's up to the Mods to review them and decide what applies or not. Having it visible just invites friction.

If someone reports me for some unexplainable reason, like you've done to me, I deserve the right to ask why the heck you reported me. And again, if you have no defense for why you reported someone, why would you report them? If you feel justified in reporting them, then you shouldn't have a problem backing it up.

MayhemEffect wrote: »

CrusherOfDreams wrote: »

Injustice wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Seeing who Flags what is just asking for trouble. People will be calling each other out on who reports what.

Agreed. The system just works better not being able to see who rates who. People would be more inclined to use the ratings honestly.

The opposite is also true. People would have the green light to report anyone just because they don't like them or they think that their avatar is stupid.

It looks like some people are doing that anyways.

It would be a lot worse if it was anonymous. When GroundedWisdom was reporting 80% of the things I said in a certain thread, the only thing stopping me from following him and reporting everything he said was that it would show my name to everyone who looked. I didn't want to look like a whiny, petty loser, so I didn't do it. That might not have been the case if I could've done it anonymously.

CrusherOfDreams wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

CrusherOfDreams wrote: »

Injustice wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Seeing who Flags what is just asking for trouble. People will be calling each other out on who reports what.

Agreed. The system just works better not being able to see who rates who. People would be more inclined to use the ratings honestly.

The opposite is also true. People would have the green light to report anyone just because they don't like them or they think that their avatar is stupid.

People have that right either way. Some just Flag because they don't like the person. It's up to the Mods to review them and decide what applies or not. Having it visible just invites friction.

If someone reports me for some unexplainable reason, like you've done to me, I deserve the right to ask why the heck you reported me. And again, if you have no defense for why you reported someone, why would you report them? If you feel justified in reporting them, then you shouldn't have a problem backing it up.

See, now you're making the issue personal. If I feel that what someone says is inappropriate, I will report it. I don't care who it is. That's my right. This is a prime example of why it needs to be anonymous. We are not her to Moderate or fight amongst ourselves. That's why we have Mods. I don't have to explain why I feel something is inappropriate to anyone. We could also discuss the possibility of someone threatening another in a private message over what they report, but we will move on from the subject. It causes problems to have it visible.

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

CrusherOfDreams wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

CrusherOfDreams wrote: »

Injustice wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Seeing who Flags what is just asking for trouble. People will be calling each other out on who reports what.

Agreed. The system just works better not being able to see who rates who. People would be more inclined to use the ratings honestly.

The opposite is also true. People would have the green light to report anyone just because they don't like them or they think that their avatar is stupid.

People have that right either way. Some just Flag because they don't like the person. It's up to the Mods to review them and decide what applies or not. Having it visible just invites friction.

If someone reports me for some unexplainable reason, like you've done to me, I deserve the right to ask why the heck you reported me. And again, if you have no defense for why you reported someone, why would you report them? If you feel justified in reporting them, then you shouldn't have a problem backing it up.

See, now you're making the issue personal. If I feel that what someone says is inappropriate, I will report it. I don't care who it is. That's my right. This is a prime example of why it needs to be anonymous. We are not her to Moderate or fight amongst ourselves. That's why we have Mods. I don't have to explain why I feel something is inappropriate to anyone. We could also discuss the possibility of someone threatening another in a private message over what they report, but we will move on from the subject. It causes problems to have it visible.

If you can't explain how it's inappropriate, you shouldn't report it for being inappropriate. If you can, then feel free to do so.

CrusherOfDreams wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

CrusherOfDreams wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

CrusherOfDreams wrote: »

Injustice wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Seeing who Flags what is just asking for trouble. People will be calling each other out on who reports what.

Agreed. The system just works better not being able to see who rates who. People would be more inclined to use the ratings honestly.

The opposite is also true. People would have the green light to report anyone just because they don't like them or they think that their avatar is stupid.

People have that right either way. Some just Flag because they don't like the person. It's up to the Mods to review them and decide what applies or not. Having it visible just invites friction.

If someone reports me for some unexplainable reason, like you've done to me, I deserve the right to ask why the heck you reported me. And again, if you have no defense for why you reported someone, why would you report them? If you feel justified in reporting them, then you shouldn't have a problem backing it up.

See, now you're making the issue personal. If I feel that what someone says is inappropriate, I will report it. I don't care who it is. That's my right. This is a prime example of why it needs to be anonymous. We are not her to Moderate or fight amongst ourselves. That's why we have Mods. I don't have to explain why I feel something is inappropriate to anyone. We could also discuss the possibility of someone threatening another in a private message over what they report, but we will move on from the subject. It causes problems to have it visible.

If you can't explain how it's inappropriate, you shouldn't report it for being inappropriate.

Now you're persisting. You need to stop the aggressive questioning of my right to report something.

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

CrusherOfDreams wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

CrusherOfDreams wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

CrusherOfDreams wrote: »

Injustice wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Seeing who Flags what is just asking for trouble. People will be calling each other out on who reports what.

Agreed. The system just works better not being able to see who rates who. People would be more inclined to use the ratings honestly.

The opposite is also true. People would have the green light to report anyone just because they don't like them or they think that their avatar is stupid.

People have that right either way. Some just Flag because they don't like the person. It's up to the Mods to review them and decide what applies or not. Having it visible just invites friction.

If someone reports me for some unexplainable reason, like you've done to me, I deserve the right to ask why the heck you reported me. And again, if you have no defense for why you reported someone, why would you report them? If you feel justified in reporting them, then you shouldn't have a problem backing it up.

See, now you're making the issue personal. If I feel that what someone says is inappropriate, I will report it. I don't care who it is. That's my right. This is a prime example of why it needs to be anonymous. We are not her to Moderate or fight amongst ourselves. That's why we have Mods. I don't have to explain why I feel something is inappropriate to anyone. We could also discuss the possibility of someone threatening another in a private message over what they report, but we will move on from the subject. It causes problems to have it visible.

If you can't explain how it's inappropriate, you shouldn't report it for being inappropriate.

Now you're persisting. You need to stop the aggressive questioning of my right to report something.

How did I aggressively question your rights? I said that you probably shouldn't say something is inappropriate if it isn't. I said you shouldn't lie, and I violently violated your rights? Really?

CrusherOfDreams wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

CrusherOfDreams wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

CrusherOfDreams wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

CrusherOfDreams wrote: »

Injustice wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Seeing who Flags what is just asking for trouble. People will be calling each other out on who reports what.

Agreed. The system just works better not being able to see who rates who. People would be more inclined to use the ratings honestly.

The opposite is also true. People would have the green light to report anyone just because they don't like them or they think that their avatar is stupid.

People have that right either way. Some just Flag because they don't like the person. It's up to the Mods to review them and decide what applies or not. Having it visible just invites friction.

If someone reports me for some unexplainable reason, like you've done to me, I deserve the right to ask why the heck you reported me. And again, if you have no defense for why you reported someone, why would you report them? If you feel justified in reporting them, then you shouldn't have a problem backing it up.

See, now you're making the issue personal. If I feel that what someone says is inappropriate, I will report it. I don't care who it is. That's my right. This is a prime example of why it needs to be anonymous. We are not her to Moderate or fight amongst ourselves. That's why we have Mods. I don't have to explain why I feel something is inappropriate to anyone. We could also discuss the possibility of someone threatening another in a private message over what they report, but we will move on from the subject. It causes problems to have it visible.

If you can't explain how it's inappropriate, you shouldn't report it for being inappropriate.

Now you're persisting. You need to stop the aggressive questioning of my right to report something.

How did I aggressively question your rights? I said that you probably shouldn't say something is inappropriate if it isn't. I said you shouldn't lie, and I violently violated your rights? Really?

We are not continuing the conversation.

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

CrusherOfDreams wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

CrusherOfDreams wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

CrusherOfDreams wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

CrusherOfDreams wrote: »

Injustice wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Seeing who Flags what is just asking for trouble. People will be calling each other out on who reports what.

Agreed. The system just works better not being able to see who rates who. People would be more inclined to use the ratings honestly.

The opposite is also true. People would have the green light to report anyone just because they don't like them or they think that their avatar is stupid.

People have that right either way. Some just Flag because they don't like the person. It's up to the Mods to review them and decide what applies or not. Having it visible just invites friction.

If someone reports me for some unexplainable reason, like you've done to me, I deserve the right to ask why the heck you reported me. And again, if you have no defense for why you reported someone, why would you report them? If you feel justified in reporting them, then you shouldn't have a problem backing it up.

See, now you're making the issue personal. If I feel that what someone says is inappropriate, I will report it. I don't care who it is. That's my right. This is a prime example of why it needs to be anonymous. We are not her to Moderate or fight amongst ourselves. That's why we have Mods. I don't have to explain why I feel something is inappropriate to anyone. We could also discuss the possibility of someone threatening another in a private message over what they report, but we will move on from the subject. It causes problems to have it visible.

If you can't explain how it's inappropriate, you shouldn't report it for being inappropriate.

Now you're persisting. You need to stop the aggressive questioning of my right to report something.

How did I aggressively question your rights? I said that you probably shouldn't say something is inappropriate if it isn't. I said you shouldn't lie, and I violently violated your rights? Really?

We are not continuing the conversation.

Well, okay then. I guess that there's no way to justify the endorsement of lying, so I can't really question you any further, can I? You've dug yourself a hole, buddy. If you really want me to, then I'll go ahead and leave you there. Bye.

Injustice

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

CrusherOfDreams wrote: »

Injustice wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Seeing who Flags what is just asking for trouble. People will be calling each other out on who reports what.

Agreed. The system just works better not being able to see who rates who. People would be more inclined to use the ratings honestly.

The opposite is also true. People would have the green light to report anyone just because they don't like them or they think that their avatar is stupid.

People have that right either way. Some just Flag because they don't like the person. It's up to the Mods to review them and decide what applies or not. Having it visible just invites friction.

True that is a concern. But in the big picture, it shouldn't make a difference. The point of this system is for the community to express their opinion on topics, ideas, and posts. Every member has the right to express their opinion. The totals at the end should even out how the community feels.

both of you are getting into something personal, I do not care.

crusher if the only thing that stopped you from reporting things was the fact it would have been visible you need to rethink your own approach to dealing with people.

GW you should be able to explain why you think something is inappropriate even if it is anonymous. Not to us, but if a mod asks for more details be prepared. If you can not do that then you are reporting frivolously. And FYI certain topics are not off limits because you feel the are, there needs to be a reason that would apply to everyone.

MayhemEffect wrote: »

both of you are getting into something personal, I do not care.

crusher if the only thing that stopped you from reporting things was the fact it would have been visible you need to rethink your own approach to dealing with people.

GW you should be able to explain why you think something is inappropriate even if it is anonymous. Not to us, but if a mod asks for more details be prepared. If you can not do that then you are reporting frivolously. And FYI certain topics are not off limits because you feel the are, there needs to be a reason that would apply to everyone.

If you could call your boss stupid without people knowing it was you, would you? For a lot of people, that's a yes. If someone wanted to rob a bank, but thought that they could be caught, then they might not do it. That being said, I wouldn't rob a bank, it was an extreme example, but you get the point. The ability to be anonymous invites many who will abuse that power.