Developers Thoughts: Improving Alliance Wars Discussion Thread

Kabam Miike

Hey Summoners!

We've just posted a brand new behind the scenes look at the future of Alliance Wars, including some new changes coming to Alliance Wars Season 5! Make sure you take a read of the post over on our Blog: https://playcontestofchampions.com/developer-thoughts-improving-alliance-wars/

The Rotating Global Buffs kick off on October 17th! Prepare yourselves!

Kabam Miike

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NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE

Are there no increase to the rewards or did I skim over it?

Nightwing2380

Buff 2 - Bleed Immunity:
- Bleed immunity affects Defenders
- Bringing in Debuff heavy Champions will still be a viable option, but Champions that rely heavily on Bleed will not be as effective this Season.

Can you please expand on this. A R5 killmonger on node 29 will now be impposible to beat unless you have a corvius. People would use blade because that was the only other counter. Node 29 is a problem and you are not hellping this out at all, just making it a lot more difficult

Acanthus

The murdering of Blade continues

Nightwing2380 wrote: »

Buff 2 - Bleed Immunity:
- Bleed immunity affects Defenders
- Bringing in Debuff heavy Champions will still be a viable option, but Champions that rely heavily on Bleed will not be as effective this Season.

Can you please expand on this. A R5 killmonger on node 29 will now be impposible to beat unless you have a corvius. People would use blade because that was the only other counter. Node 29 is a problem and you are not hellping this out at all, just making it a lot more difficult

I take it you haven't heard of Magik.

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Nightwing2380

Acanthus wrote: »

The murdering of Blade continues

Nightwing2380 wrote: »

Buff 2 - Bleed Immunity:
- Bleed immunity affects Defenders
- Bringing in Debuff heavy Champions will still be a viable option, but Champions that rely heavily on Bleed will not be as effective this Season.

Can you please expand on this. A R5 killmonger on node 29 will now be impposible to beat unless you have a corvius. People would use blade because that was the only other counter. Node 29 is a problem and you are not hellping this out at all, just making it a lot more difficult

I take it you haven't heard of Magik.

Magik works 47% of the time. A high sig KM murders magik very easy from reverb

Gamer

Not gone lier it read wierd i always wont to hav offer champ why just Not buff ofee champ istand im thuget we wuld read buff. Reward a tiny bit

Acanthus

Nightwing2380 wrote: »

Acanthus wrote: »

The murdering of Blade continues

Nightwing2380 wrote: »

Buff 2 - Bleed Immunity:
- Bleed immunity affects Defenders
- Bringing in Debuff heavy Champions will still be a viable option, but Champions that rely heavily on Bleed will not be as effective this Season.

Can you please expand on this. A R5 killmonger on node 29 will now be impposible to beat unless you have a corvius. People would use blade because that was the only other counter. Node 29 is a problem and you are not hellping this out at all, just making it a lot more difficult

I take it you haven't heard of Magik.

Magik works 47% of the time. A high sig KM murders magik very easy from reverb

Are you using sig 10 Magik?

RogerRabs

Can you guys just say what you really mean instead of prancing around it?

Blade is too OP. Blade limits our potion sales. We are nerfing Blade

Gamer

Node 29 has corner so bleed imuns migth works better. Them what we Think of

V1PER1987

Username72647 wrote: »

Nightwing2380 wrote: »

Buff 2 - Bleed Immunity:
- Bleed immunity affects Defenders
- Bringing in Debuff heavy Champions will still be a viable option, but Champions that rely heavily on Bleed will not be as effective this Season.

Can you please expand on this. A R5 killmonger on node 29 will now be impposible to beat unless you have a corvius. People would use blade because that was the only other counter. Node 29 is a problem and you are not hellping this out at all, just making it a lot more difficult

This.

Node 29 needs a nerf if this is the case.

I take it you’ve never heard of Sabretooth? My Sabretooth murders KM on that node and bleed immunity just makes it easier to not trigger cornered.

Axiom4

Kabam is not here to reward the ones that keep the game alive, which is the players. They find a variety of ways to punish you if you don't spend money on the game and reward those that do spend. The point system and matching need improvement.

Lagacy

Nightwing2380 wrote: »

Buff 2 - Bleed Immunity:
- Bleed immunity affects Defenders
- Bringing in Debuff heavy Champions will still be a viable option, but Champions that rely heavily on Bleed will not be as effective this Season.

Can you please expand on this. A R5 killmonger on node 29 will now be impposible to beat unless you have a corvius. People would use blade because that was the only other counter. Node 29 is a problem and you are not hellping this out at all, just making it a lot more difficult

Blade isn’t even the best for this node lol. Magik is probably the best, Void also works great and Corvus. Also bleed immunity might help blade on this fight because you won’t have to worry about cornered...

Axiom4

Kabam is just finding ways to force players to use resources.

Kabam Miike

Lagacy69 wrote: »

Nightwing2380 wrote: »

Buff 2 - Bleed Immunity:
- Bleed immunity affects Defenders
- Bringing in Debuff heavy Champions will still be a viable option, but Champions that rely heavily on Bleed will not be as effective this Season.

Can you please expand on this. A R5 killmonger on node 29 will now be impposible to beat unless you have a corvius. People would use blade because that was the only other counter. Node 29 is a problem and you are not hellping this out at all, just making it a lot more difficult

Blade isn’t even the best for this node lol. Magik is probably the best, Void also works great and Corvus. Also bleed immunity might help blade on this fight because you won’t have to worry about cornered...

This is actually what I was going to say. Not the thing about Magik (although, definitely a good choice), but that Blade will not be triggering Cornered, and with his synergies can still reduce the Ability Accuracy of Killmonger.

arni2

Sooo,
let's try and break thing apart:

Buff 1 - Amped Up:
- Female Champions you bring to this fight receive increased Class Bonus effects. Half of the Attack bonus is always applied. Specific tuning values will be revealed soon
- Amped up affects the Attacker, so bringing in Female Champions will give your Attack team an offensive

Good Female attackers - Magik, Emma Frost and Domino (33% new champs), luck biased again

Buff 2 - Bleed Immunity:
- Bleed immunity affects Defenders
- Bringing in Debuff heavy Champions will still be a viable option, but Champions that rely heavily on Bleed will not be as effective this Season.

NO BLADE, Nice, But also new Symbiote Supreme will suffer from this node, interesting...

Issue 2: Unfair Play in Alliance Wars

This issue is integral to the mode. Alliance Wars is a highly competitive mode, and our goal is to make it the MOST competitive mode in the game, so fairness is paramount. No Alliance should feel that they can play their best, and fairest, but be let down when another Alliance does not play fair, and beats them, or 2 Alliances collude to manipulate the standings.

All the solutions that proposed are generic and won't do much.

In order to make alliance wars to be skill based, limit the amount of boost (attack, health) that player can use per war, otherwise the maxed boosted alliance usually win. (I know it probably won't happen because those boosts are one of the main income from war system, but you might surprise)

Nightwing2380

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Lagacy69 wrote: »

Nightwing2380 wrote: »

Buff 2 - Bleed Immunity:
- Bleed immunity affects Defenders
- Bringing in Debuff heavy Champions will still be a viable option, but Champions that rely heavily on Bleed will not be as effective this Season.

Can you please expand on this. A R5 killmonger on node 29 will now be impposible to beat unless you have a corvius. People would use blade because that was the only other counter. Node 29 is a problem and you are not hellping this out at all, just making it a lot more difficult

Blade isn’t even the best for this node lol. Magik is probably the best, Void also works great and Corvus. Also bleed immunity might help blade on this fight because you won’t have to worry about cornered...

This is actually what I was going to say. Not the thing about Magik (although, definitely a good choice), but that Blade will not be triggering Cornered, and with his synergies can still reduce the Ability Accuracy of Killmonger.

Your whole post was about "diversifying" so people can use different champs. Is limiting this node 29 to three champs diversifying?

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Munrolm02

Honestly just because the top hundred teams are able to finish Wars with very few deaths it's only the top hundred teams. War is not easy it's just that the people you guys pay attention to make the game look easy. You guys always are trying to find a way for it to be more difficult but now that six star Champions are coming out and boosts are what is winning these wars what the heck is level 4 health potion going to do? You guys need to bring out potions that are percentage-based because it takes like 8 potions just to heal up a character that you ran a boost with. No need to make war more difficult than what it already is you can put out the strongest nodes that you can imagine and the top teams are still going to be able to beat it or the top Spenders. That shouldn't be your motivation to be making harder content because the other 90% of the game still has trouble. No 29 can still pick up 10 kills itself or take up to three members to clear it

RogerRabs

Also @Kabam Miike was there any talk about the cost of AW?

Right now potions and boosts take up a considerable amount (almost all) of my glory & loyalty. Healing up R5 champs is absurdly expensive and with the increase of champions & nodes who can do damage without hitting you, sometimes healing is unavoidable. I understand Whales who spend will always have an advantage but I shouldn't have to be grinding constantly to be able to keep up in a Plat alliance.

I think we should get a fixed amount of free potions every war. Would go a long way to helping prioritize skill over wallet size.

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Zuko_ILC

The biggest problem with diversity for offense and defense is the lack of rank up materials.

tkt546

If you don’t want people using the same small group of defenders, why do you release the auto-block, control-reversing, potion sucking, defense specific champs. Adding global nodes isn’t going to suddenly make Spider-Gwen a great defender, it’s just going to make the top 5 defenders that much harder.

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Midknight007

More T5 frags in the awards... and maybe an increase in tier rewards in general.

LastShaddow

What about the so called “fair” matchmaking for aw where a lower ally matchmakes bud get a 12, 13 mil alliance when current rating is 8 mil to 9 mil is that going to change I’ve seen it through all alliances I’ve been a member in . Below 14 mil they are all “unlucky” to get higher opponents with no chance of winning.

ShiiiiiiiiiD

How about diminishing season rewards. If you start and finish with the same alliance the whole season you get 100% and every war you miss is a percentage of the rewards you'd receive. The same rules would apply for the alliance that you get rewards from. This would keep people from jumping as much and keep alliances together more.

Helicopter_dugdugdug

Problem with countering blade is that it counters half of all skill champs ... bleed immunity destroys GP and KM more than Blade

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