Doctor Strange pre-nerf

I'm a fairly new player (been playing for 1 year) so i wasn't around during the infamous 12.0 patch. I know Thor was a beast then because of his armor breaks and damage, so was Switch because of her stun probability. The thing is, I keep hearing that Strange was hit hard with the nerf hammer. How was he before the nerf? What made him special? And what exactly did they nerf about him? Would be happy with some opinions and answers from the vets.

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Spera

He switches blessings faster + his life steal was a % of the damage dealt

CoachLed

The life steal was a big part of it. He was arguably the best regen champ pre 12.0. I also remember him hitting harder during his fury buff.

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Patchie93

Basically I believe it was
Faster cycles
Faster power gain
Armor gave better perfect block chance
Fury was a bit stronger
And life steal was a percentage of damage dealt.
Meaning if you used sp2 with fury to armor break you could potentially heal up a ton with your life steal since you would be hitting harder.
Also was the days of negative armor and before diminishing returns so thay helped his armor break damage for healing

G0311

Maybe a buff update is coming?

MattMan

Summary: everything about him was better pre-12.0.

Epsilon3

Basically all his buffs have been watered down, his life steal drastically reduced, his power gain and blessing switch are now both much slower

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Shrimkins

Haji_Saab wrote: »

Every single thing was nerfed.... he was the best champion in the whole game. I used to take linked bosses in AW tier 1 with DS ... I used him even for OG Spidey... if he died for some reason, all you had to do was use lvl 1 revive for 350 hp and he would be full hp by the end of next fight ... He was OP, no doubt ..

Agreed. People forget he was nerfed a couple of different times well before 12.0 was ever a thing. They nerfed his regen twice before then, and they changed all of his attacks to energy based attacks which killed his effectiveness in AW (ultron was the typical boss in those days).

He also got a nerf from the leadership synergy nerf as well. DS has been hit a bunch of times over the years.

He use to be so godly it was laughable. I beat the entire RoL with a 4/40 DS and no parry or MD mastery.

New_Noob168

Just another way to stop your advancement in the game, then you need to find a new beast of a player that will be nerfed again.. 7* late next year..enjoy

ClarkKent0507

I think he s still good with some synergy bonus. exp: https://youtu.be/No8LaF82J_g

Cranmer00

It’s funny they made the nerfs of Thor DS and SW because they were too good and wanted ppl to use more champs

AND THEN THEY MADE BLADE... which was 30 blade avatars if looked at an alliance (26-29) for the few not to get him..

Now... the contest has repeated the same thing they didn’t want which is a trio of super super godly champs

LeNoirFaineant

SW was also nerfed much harder than just her stuns, although she is still really good. Kabam said at the time of the nerfs that Strange and the others would remain top champs after the nerf, they would just be "closer to the pack". Strange is still waiting for them to keep this promise.

Whathappened

Yeah they absolutely ruined Dr. Strange. Hello Sym Supreme!

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LeNoirFaineant

Midnite93 wrote: »

Thor Bw and Sw are still good poor strange 😔

Honestly BW is more of a niche champ now. Thor was nerfed way too hard originally but after the uproar they went back and let him stack two armor breaks. They fixed Strange a little also. Right after the nerf his armor phase was essentially irrelevant. They made it better and gave him a little more regen as I recall. Not enough to make him good.

The_One

I wonder if they're still "collecting data" on him to see if they nerfed him too hard?
I'd say he's easily in the top 1 champs that got rank down tickets from 12.0

axelelf_1

Yeah, the way they ruined strange is, to me, the worst thing they’ve done. I quit for a while. Came back but didn’t really spend for nearly a year. I mean, they sold strange specific crystals just a month or so before. Then rank up packages.
That’s when I really saw Kabam’s true colors and haven’t seen them the same since.

It’s like catching your wife cheating on you then staying with her. You’ll never look at her the same.

xNig

Pre-Nerf DS will be awesome if he’s reintroduced.

Mastercris

Pre-nerf DS was absurdly overpowered, but so is Ghost. They just need to make a few buffs to his abilities to make him good again, not OP. Maybe as good as symbiote supreme. He needs a little bit more healing, a better cycling and slightly more power gain. Also he needs a few alterations to make him a more modern champion, for example some kind of power Control. Dr Strange was never a damage dealer but he was the utility god back then. He just needs to have new utilities to be great again. Doctor strange does know a lot of spells

DoctorJ

Who here remembers when they changed his moveset middle of aq and aw ?

"Oh YeAh wE fOrGOt To tElL yOu".

DrZola

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

SW was also nerfed much harder than just her stuns, although she is still really good. Kabam said at the time of the nerfs that Strange and the others would remain top champs after the nerf, they would just be "closer to the pack". Strange is still waiting for them to keep this promise.

Correct as usual. I would take issue with others’ descriptions of Doc as an incredibly OP champ post the BP change. Before, with BP, champs who could turtle into block and take no damage hurt the game.

Unlike Thor and SW, who could be used to great effect with the most basic play styles, Doc was the original champ that required patience and the ability to work within specific time frames. Being able to land a Sp2 between Fury and Healing cycles required skill and timing, two things veteran players claim is what the game is about. Get hit at a bad cycle and you might not get to that healing buff in time—you had to know how to use him and play with a plan.

The real reason Doc was hobbled so badly, in my opinion, is that he wasn’t a pRNG slot machine—players could work through his cycling buffs, players could use his armor buff to dull the incoming AI special attack, players could regenerate when needed even back to full health. In short, players were in control. Many of the champs since then (perhaps Blade excluded) rely heavily on rolling just the right set of buffs and debuffs to achieve max effectiveness.

Dr. Zola

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Mitchell35

Essentially, think sym supreme with op regen instead of bleed. I think that about sums him up.

ThorrealWorthy

Back then, there was not so much content and champions. The devs felt that it would "kill" the game if he was not nerfed.
Now with the current state of the game, i feel that he was over-nerfed.
Hope they'll consider buffing him a little or at least release a 5 star...

Zuko_ILC

I think all 3 can deservedly get a bump. Update them and release them as fgmcs everyone wins.

-sixate-

12.0 update made me rage quit. Sold all my champs and quit for 18 months. I came back to new champs who are every bit as OP as the massively nerfed champs back then. Thor SW Strange BW are all complete trash now. Would not want any of them if if they were 200 sig 6* champs.

Strange and Thor were hit the hardest. Thor was the best one shot champ in the game, but he was useless against stun immunity. Now useless against everything. Strange was great, but he is the most nerfed champ ever. They nerfed him at least 4 times. BW is complete trash now compared to new champs. SW is decent at best. She was a beast machine, best in the game. She destroyed everything with a crit team.

Let's not forget SL was nerfed too. He hit even harder than he does now, and had no cap on his streak.

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A_Noob_Is1

He had great regen, faster cycles, and better fury. He did alot of work as a 3/30 4 star.

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