Kabam can you please explain why certain champs are in certain classes

oh also I forgot to ask... what class is Mister Sinister gonna be in? my bet's on mutant, but I could also see him in science

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Charnutz wrote: »

Probably trying to balance. I mean why else would juggy be a mystic and not mutant lol

I understand that they want to balance it, but at least give us an explanation, like they did with the Thing...
as for Juggernaut, I can answer that one, it's the gem of Cyttorak... it's a mystic gem that gave him his unstoppable powers

Yellow8Fellow

Can't find a reason for Quake or Thor

Antman: Still uses Pym Particles which are science in nature (well, fictional nature).

Karnak: His most useful asset is his fighting ability, and while he gained it from cosmic means, his fighting ability is what makes him skill.

Sentry/Void: Got his powers from a scientific formula that was trying to duplicate the Super Solider Serum.

Red Skull: He needs to use Technology to conduct the Cube's power, but he doesn't have the full power or a full bond with the cube.

Doc Ock:He has has cybernetic implants. Don't understand how he could not be Tech.

Green Goblin: While he gained his Goblin persona and strength from a chemical formula, the game mostly utilizes his Goblin Gear into his abilities.

I hope this makes this understandable to you

@Yellow8Fellow what's confusing me is that there seems to be a very thin line between science and tech... when does something stop being science and becomes tech? lol... ironman's arc reactor is technically science yet he is tech, even tho it's powering his suit... as for goblin and doc I already said I understand why they'd be tech... I mean you have to use science to create tech 😅
also it's been mentioned multiple times in comics that Sentry's powers actually come from a cosmic source, which is why I mentioned it... but I guess science isn't completely wrong now that I think about it

Stewman

Charnutz wrote: »

Probably trying to balance. I mean why else would juggy be a mystic and not mutant lol

LOL because juggernaut isn't a mutant.

Yellow8Fellow wrote: »

Can't find a reason for Quake or Thor

Antman: Still uses Pym Particles which are science in nature (well, fictional nature).

Karnak: His most useful asset is his fighting ability, and while he gained it from cosmic means, his fighting ability is what makes him skill.

Sentry/Void: Got his powers from a scientific formula that was trying to duplicate the Super Solider Serum.

Red Skull: He needs to use Technology to conduct the Cube's power, but he doesn't have the full power or a full bond with the cube.

Doc Ock:He has has cybernetic implants. Don't understand how he could not be Tech.

Green Goblin: While he gained his Goblin persona and strength from a chemical formula, the game mostly utilizes his Goblin Gear into his abilities.

I hope this makes this understandable to you

This was perfect, if you ask me.

My take on Quake was because her powers were awakened through Terragenesis. So just like Spider Man and the Thing (and rest of FF presumably), it was kind of an expirement. She wasn't born into the Inhuman family.

With Thor Rag, I always assumed it was because he relied more on his fighting prowess since he no longer had Mjolnir.

Ourobøros

Sabrefencer wrote: »

Yellow8Fellow wrote: »

Can't find a reason for Quake or Thor

Antman: Still uses Pym Particles which are science in nature (well, fictional nature).

Karnak: His most useful asset is his fighting ability, and while he gained it from cosmic means, his fighting ability is what makes him skill.

Sentry/Void: Got his powers from a scientific formula that was trying to duplicate the Super Solider Serum.

Red Skull: He needs to use Technology to conduct the Cube's power, but he doesn't have the full power or a full bond with the cube.

Doc Ock:He has has cybernetic implants. Don't understand how he could not be Tech.

Green Goblin: While he gained his Goblin persona and strength from a chemical formula, the game mostly utilizes his Goblin Gear into his abilities.

I hope this makes this understandable to you

This was perfect, if you ask me.

My take on Quake was because her powers were awakened through Terragenesis. So just like Spider Man and the Thing (and rest of FF presumably), it was kind of an expirement. She wasn't born into the Inhuman family.

With Thor Rag, I always assumed it was because he relied more on his fighting prowess since he no longer had Mjolnir.

You don't have to be a part of the Inhuman Family to be Cosmic, also every Inhuman go through the Terragenesis process. They are born with the Inhuman DNA, but only the Terragenesis can Awake their abilities. Kamala Khan is an Inhuman born on Earth and was affected by the Terrigen cloud. Quake was also affected by the Terrigen but not by the same cloud.

Opandemonio wrote: »

Sabrefencer wrote: »

Yellow8Fellow wrote: »

Can't find a reason for Quake or Thor

Antman: Still uses Pym Particles which are science in nature (well, fictional nature).

Karnak: His most useful asset is his fighting ability, and while he gained it from cosmic means, his fighting ability is what makes him skill.

Sentry/Void: Got his powers from a scientific formula that was trying to duplicate the Super Solider Serum.

Red Skull: He needs to use Technology to conduct the Cube's power, but he doesn't have the full power or a full bond with the cube.

Doc Ock:He has has cybernetic implants. Don't understand how he could not be Tech.

Green Goblin: While he gained his Goblin persona and strength from a chemical formula, the game mostly utilizes his Goblin Gear into his abilities.

I hope this makes this understandable to you

This was perfect, if you ask me.

My take on Quake was because her powers were awakened through Terragenesis. So just like Spider Man and the Thing (and rest of FF presumably), it was kind of an expirement. She wasn't born into the family.

With Thor Rag, I always assumed it was because he relied more on his fighting prowess since he no longer had Mjolnir.

You don't have to be a part of the Inhuman Family to be Cosmic, also every Inhuman go through the Terragenesis process. They are born with the Inhuman DNA, but only the Terragenesis can Awake their abilities. Kamala Khan is an Inhuman born on Earth and was affected by the Terrigen cloud. Quake was also affected by the Terrigen but not by the same cloud.

I'm just trying to figure out why they did what they did and that's my best guess.

Arbiter2426

You do know sentry got his powers from drinking an alter super soldier serum right? He was not born of cosmic power. Void is just the other half but should still be science as it's still sentrys body

DrBruceWayne

Thor Rag being Skill makes sense since he thought he completely lost his powers so he had to use his raw strength

Darkness275

ManfréaBolgen wrote: »

let's be real no one expected the thing to be in science class... but you were nice enough to share your reasoning with us..

so what about these:

-Antman = science - if it was Hank I'd understand, but it's Scott, he's just using the suit that Hank made.. by my logic he should be tech

As others have stated, it's all about the pym particles, which were even a huge aspect of his event and a special resource in game.

-Quake = science

Quake was initially introduced into the comics as a mutant, but it was later revealed that she was the illegitimate daughter of Mr. Hyde. His blood and experaments affected her. This was again slightly altered after Agents of SHIELD and she was written in the comics to be/have Inhuman blood - however Mr. Hyde is still her father and it's his blood/experaments mixed with the inhuman blood that triggered her powers - NOT the terrigen mists. She never went through the Terragenesis process.

Karnak = skill

Sure he is an Inhuman and lives on the moon, but is that really enough to make him Cosmic? By that reasoning Star-Lord would also be cosmic. Karnak also never went through the Terragenesis process - I understand the question on why he isn't Cosmic, but this decision was most likely made because his abilities and character so heavily rely upon his martial prowess and skill. His dedication and training.

Sentry and Void = science

Again, their powers were derived from a scientific concoction similar to Captain America. In fact it was an attempt at re-creating and improving upon the serum that created Captain America. They may have cosmic level power but it's all science based - he's classified as a mutate.

Red Skull = tech

He can't actually wield the stone itself - this was shown in the movies, he needs technology to even utilize a fraction of the power that can be generated from the stone. Without the technology, he couldn't do it. There is a far larger argument to be made for him to be science however, rather than the one you're looking at for cosmic.

Thor Ragnarok = skill

This one is absolutely odd, I can see where they were coming from - in the movie Thor is cut off from his power until he realizes it's primarily a mental block. He's still a God however, he still has power and he utilizes it many times during and after the movie - but he's almost always channeled his powers through his hammer, so without it he is predominantly depending upon his martial (skill) based prowess. It's a stretch, agreed, but that's how I see it being rationalized.

It's like Thor Jane Foster - she's classified as mystic despite Thor's powers being cosmic in nature right? Well that's because she's granted the powers because of the mystical enchantment on Mjölnir.

Doctor Octopus

what else would he be? Science? Tech is the predominant feature of his character and always has been - his science background is displayed in how his abilities/utility (research) work but if he wasn't classified as tech that would be a huge disservice to a key component of his character. The tentacles.

Green Goblin

Same as above really - a combination of the Red Skull and Doc Oc explanations. He's scientific in nature and the serum was science based but a core and predominant aspect of his character has always been the technology he utilizes.

I hope this helps.

ManfréaBolgen wrote: »

let's be real no one expected the thing to be in science class... but you were nice enough to share your reasoning with us.

I think more people expected him (and the rest of the FF) to be Science than you think. In fact, most "polls" that people conducted on here had him as Science. Don't know why anything else would have been expected.

Darkness275 wrote: »

It's like Thor Jane Foster - she's classified as mystic despite Thor's powers being cosmic in nature right? Well that's because she's granted the powers because of the mystical enchantment on Mjölnir.

I took her as Mystic because she got her powers from being worthy of wielding Mjolnir as a Midgardian (human). Thor (OG) is Comsic because he is an Asgardian who wields Mjolnir. Then the difference between OG Thor and Thor Ragnarok makes sense.

The F4 are probably the most debatable from OUR understanding. It was Cosmic radiation.

Once explained, it helps clear up some, but confuses some others.

Note: I agree with most of the placements, but the arguments below are worthy of consideration during development.

The difference between cosmic thor and skill thor is understandable. However, it doesn't change that Thor is not of earth, and cosmic in nature. Even with his hammer/power gone, he could withstand the hulk more than anyone from earth.

Carry this logic to Korg, his immunities, his physical attributes are from him being an alien race. Cosmic.

While Angela I believe should be cosmic, all of her attacks seem to utilize her skill and not necessarily her alien attributes.

I also don't necessarily fully agree with the argument of falcon being skill.

tldr: A lot of champs are debatable, Marvel has some input, and we should just enjoy the game as is. We can ask, but we didn't have a hand in developing characters, nor should we.

Primmer79 wrote: »

The F4 are probably the most debatable from OUR understanding. It was Cosmic radiation.

Once explained, it helps clear up some, but confuses some others.

It was "cosmic radiation" but they are earth scientists and had their DNA changed through a science expirement. Cosmic champs are almost always aliens/from another planet.

Sabrefencer wrote: »

Primmer79 wrote: »

The F4 are probably the most debatable from OUR understanding. It was Cosmic radiation.

Once explained, it helps clear up some, but confuses some others.

It was "cosmic radiation" but they are earth scientists and had their DNA changed through a science expirement. Cosmic champs are almost always aliens/from another planet.

Like I said, I understand that, but that reasoning calls into question others.

I never said that these can't be explained.. I was just hoping for an official answer by kabam... guess that's not happening lol... there are some good arguments here and that's kinda what I was hoping for...

tho one thing I really wanna talk about is Sentry, I understand why so many think he should be science.. not that I'm saying he shouldn't... but how many of you have actually read any Sentry mini-series? it is mentioned there that the Sentry is a sentient life-force from a different universe... it has also been suggested multiple times that his powers actually come from cosmic source... so even tho his powers first manifest after the serum, there's a pretty strong reason to believe that his powers are cosmic..

ManfréaBolgen wrote: »

I never said that these can't be explained.. I was just hoping for an official answer by kabam... guess that's not happening lol... there are some good arguments here and that's kinda what I was hoping for...

tho one thing I really wanna talk about is Sentry, I understand why so many think he should be science.. not that I'm saying he shouldn't... but how many of you have actually read any Sentry mini-series? it is mentioned there that the Sentry is a sentient life-force from a different universe... it has also been suggested multiple times that his powers actually come from cosmic source... so even tho his powers first manifest after the serum, there's a pretty strong reason to believe that his powers are cosmic..

Keep in mind sometimes kabam doesn't always pull from the entirety of the marvel history, but may base a character off of a specific run in the comics. They don't always link together.

Primmer79 wrote: »

Keep in mind sometimes kabam doesn't always pull from the entirety of the marvel history, but may base a character off of a specific run in the comics. They don't always link together.

I know mate, I just wanted to explain where I was coming from...

Kabam Vydious

Awesome breakdown for this @Darkness275!

Hope that helped anyone with confusion for some of these. We actually answered this question for Thing directly in his Spotlight HERE.

ManfréaBolgen wrote: »

Primmer79 wrote: »

Keep in mind sometimes kabam doesn't always pull from the entirety of the marvel history, but may base a character off of a specific run in the comics. They don't always link together.

I know mate, I just wanted to explain where I was coming from...

understandable! just continuing convo

Korg is also a good shout.. he's an alien with no special powers.. if that's the reasoning for him being skill then why is groot cosmic and not skill? they're both aliens with no super powers... they're same as everyone of their species

Kabam Vydious wrote: »

Awesome breakdown for this @Darkness275!

Hope that helped anyone with confusion for some of these. We actually answered this question for Thing directly in his Spotlight HERE.

like I already said, I understand the Thing because you were kind enough to explain it.. I was just hoping that maybe you'd do the same for some other questionable characters 😅

Eb0ny-O-M4w

ManfréaBolgen wrote: »

Kabam Vydious wrote: »

Awesome breakdown for this @Darkness275!

Hope that helped anyone with confusion for some of these. We actually answered this question for Thing directly in his Spotlight HERE.

like I already said, I understand the Thing because you were kind enough to explain it.. I was just hoping that maybe you'd do the same for some other questionable characters 😅

They already did. In fact, is almost like they don't really need to, since it makes sense either way

Yellow8Fellow

ManfréaBolgen wrote: »

I never said that these can't be explained.. I was just hoping for an official answer by kabam... guess that's not happening lol... there are some good arguments here and that's kinda what I was hoping for...

tho one thing I really wanna talk about is Sentry, I understand why so many think he should be science.. not that I'm saying he shouldn't... but how many of you have actually read any Sentry mini-series? it is mentioned there that the Sentry is a sentient life-force from a different universe... it has also been suggested multiple times that his powers actually come from cosmic source... so even tho his powers first manifest after the serum, there's a pretty strong reason to believe that his powers are cosmic..

Like I have stated I don't really know too much about Sentry beyond that he's OP in the comics and that he supposedly got his powers from a serum. But if he does have a cosmic origin, maybe it's less known than the fact that he took a serum.

Look at what happened to Spider-man for instance. You know the original origin that said that he was bitten by a radioactive spider. But then there was another comic that said that the spider was mystic in origin and was transferring it's powers to Peter. That was retconned (I think?), but I believe Kabam is specifying on his original origin, like Spider-man's

V1PER1987

ManfréaBolgen wrote: »

Korg is also a good shout.. he's an alien with no special powers.. if that's the reasoning for him being skill then why is groot cosmic and not skill? they're both aliens with no super powers... they're same as everyone of their species

Korg is definitely a head scratcher for me. For the most part I can see why they classified champs into the classes they did but that one baffles me. I know he’s been a gladiator for a while now but his anatomy should’ve qualified him for the cosmic class. Guess they didn’t want to overload on cosmics last year.