**WINTER OF WOE - BONUS OBJECTIVE POINT**
As previously announced, the team will be distributing an additional point toward milestones to anyone who completed the Absorbing Man fight in the first step of the Winter of Woe.
This point will be distributed at a later time as it requires the team to pull and analyze data.
The timeline has not been set, but work has started.
As previously announced, the team will be distributing an additional point toward milestones to anyone who completed the Absorbing Man fight in the first step of the Winter of Woe.
This point will be distributed at a later time as it requires the team to pull and analyze data.
The timeline has not been set, but work has started.
There is currently an issue where some Alliances are are unable to find a match in Alliance Wars, or are receiving Byes without getting the benefits of the Win. We will be adjusting the Season Points of the Alliances that are affected within the coming weeks, and will be working to compensate them for their missed Per War rewards as well.
Additionally, we are working to address an issue where new Members of an Alliance are unable to place Defenders for the next War after joining. We are working to address this, but it will require a future update.
Additionally, we are working to address an issue where new Members of an Alliance are unable to place Defenders for the next War after joining. We are working to address this, but it will require a future update.
Gifting Badge Discussion [Merged Threads]
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I'm more concerned about the future impact of this decision. If we stay silent, Kabam thinks we're ok w/ the decision, and I'm not. Next time it's easier to do it again, and again.
You are only looking at this from your narrow point of view. There is a larger impact here that you arent considering. Give them a chance to work out a solution.
This whole thing involves stolen information which means financial impact on people and your concern is if you can gift digital game content.
Kabam; You had people pay real money for this. We’re all saying that. And here’s what gets me. In no game in the history of ever that included a trade/gift/barter system has this not been a thing. So there’s absolutely no way you DIDN’T know this would happen. What you just did was sell consumers an item that you either planned to remove from the beginning, or didn’t make a plan to deal with it’s issues going forward. Either way, were it lack of research or lack of planning, you literally just stole money. In the same way an ebay seller may sell a false or retractable item to “take the money and run”, you sold us a retractable item, fully knowing the implications that came with it, with the intention to take it back or change it in the future.
I'm financially impacted by the fact that I no longer have what I purchased.
If this is an issue about stolen credit cards, being used, then that's an issue that needs to be handled by Apple or Google at the account level to deal with In-App purchases.
Picture it this way. You order a thick juicy steak at your favorite steakhouse, and they bring you a "tube steak". You've paid $30 for your hot dog (a.k.a. tube steak.)
Maybe not the best analogy, but in no measure does a hot dog stack up to a steak in comparison, and if you pay for a steak and get a hot dog, you're not going to be happy either, even if the restaurant is trying to deal with cow fraud.
The issue is this: Failure to agree to this clause in the game's terms of service invalidates the agreement you have to play the game. Absent a legal agreement to play the game, you have no right to access their computer systems. I'm not certain what statute would take precedence here, but I believe this is likely not just a civil dispute, but an actual crime with criminal penalties.
This applies to every player wishing to make the claim that they were deprived of a material item which had monetary value.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27K5zqsgktE
They did not steal any money. They had a Feature that was accessible through purchasing their Unit Pack.
The value of it was literally 0 because the Unit Pack was the purchase. People elected to pay for it, under the same TOS Agreement as everyone else, in which it was stated that they reserve the right to modify their product if necessary.
People received EXACTLY what was in the Offer. They used it for YEARS, and as a result, a number of issues arose because THE CONSUMER found one method after another to abuse it. The onus is on the Consumer.
They did not plan to remove it from the beginning. That would have been one patient rug to pull, considering it's been around for at least 3 years, that's how long I've been here.
If you're suggesting they executed poor planning because they didn't anticipate people committing Credit Fraud, or starting their own Black Market for Services, that's about as out there as the people who would come up with such ideas.
They created it so people could honestly and legitimately help each other out. Not so people could start a back-end exploitation for real money. That couldn't have been foreseen. At least not by any sane mind creating a Feature. It takes a special type of dishonest individual to come up with something like that.
The bottom line is, it was created for the Players, and the Players done ####ed it up. Now, no one can use it because it's a liability, and the only ones who are to blame are the ones who milked it.
Edit: I should add, I have no issue of them removing the gifting badge to stop this behaviour, but a) there needs to be compensation and b) I do think players that benefited from this process need to be permanently banned.
I think Kabam have gone a long way towards sorting a) but definitely not b)
As for banning the ones responsible, that would go without saying, but they wouldn't really be operating out of their own Accounts, and therein lies the problem with just banning them. They'd just move on to the next Alt. As for their Main, I would like to think if they could identify it, they would be banned. Obviously, they won't talk about actions, but I'm pretty sure that much would go without saying. Anyone responsible for this should get the hard boot. I don't usually say things like that, but yeah. If it were my choice, that's grounds for Account termination.
Now in regards to the bans, maybe you can’t ban the people behind the fraud but you can ban the people that accepted the fraud, there should be nothing stopping Kabam working with apple and Google to understand which accounts had the fraudulent money and who they gifted to
In terms of the bans, all you can prove is people received Gifts. Arrangements were made outside the game for real money, and in return people received Gifts from Fraudsters. It's a very sneaky operation. It's really unclear. I'm more concerned with the perpetrators than victims. I find it much more plausible that some people just wanted Gifts. Although I wouldn't argue if they did get punished. That's the thing about it, how do you determine who was a victim and who knew these people were stealing? I doubt they said they were selling Gifts as a result of Fraud.
Edit: if you buy something well below market value, you lose the excuse that you weren’t aware that something wasn’t dodgy. This is in regards to saying people may not be aware it was fraud
I'm not saying the buyers shouldn't be punished, and I'm not saying they should. All I'm saying is it's entirely possible people saw the Ad and just wanted discount swag. It's entirely possible. Look at how many people get had by Ads on Facebook or other sources for Units and the like. It's not unheard of that some were just victims.