Champ acquisition is extremely painful

Todays OG Thor offer got me thinking.

If anyone's ever gone after a champ they want, they know the process very well:

1. Drop 33 000+ units on feature grandmaster crystals for a chance.
2. Grind 700 rounds over 72 hours and or spend several odins on a 70m+ grind.
3. Wait months for the champ to go into the featured pool for a 4.2% chance that also comes with a very mediocre basic pool.
4. Wait several more months for the champ to go into the basic pool for a 1 in 115+ chance.

If we're exceptionally lucky and spent several thousand dollars pulling him and using rare t2as, awakening gems, t5b shards, and precious sig stones, by the time we get them ranked up they will no longer be as effective in the meta as hard counters have already been released if not hard nodes counters in war that weaken them.

If we're lucky and they're still useful, they won't be for much longer as the game has been pushed into the 6* meta and we have to go through this mind numbing wallet killing process all over again.

This is a serious issue with the game. Champs are so difficult to acquire and the time we get them and rank them up, they're not as useful and the game's moved on. There has to be something better than this. It is extremely frustrating to see your hard work and money go to waste like this.
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  • RiderofHellRiderofHell Posts: 951

    Couldn't agree more...As i play this game i still dont have Domino or Void even RH or KM for synergy purposes or the fact that almost every monthly quest revolves around them including Ghost.

    Yes i have (SL.Corvus.Blade.Magik...duped).Iceman.Massacre.Sabretooth.Emma which are unduped. But they can only go so far in monthly quest before requiring the other champs to help you pass the quest.

    You have SL, Corvus, Blade & Magik duped and your complaint is that they can only help you go so far in monthly quest before requiring the other champs.......?!?!......like wut o_O
    I really don’t like to say this but maybe learn how to use the champs you have, especially the before mentioned ones........they should be able to help you fully explore every uncollected eq.


    With regards to op: I’ve only dealt with option 4, and yes the basic pool is extremely huge unfortunately and only getting bigger.
    Been playing this game for 4 yrs and trust me i know to play but lately the game team has shifted focus on the quest with the unblockable.unstoppable.unavoidable trend along with turning UC into Dungeons 2.0
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 6,918

    Couldn't agree more...As i play this game i still dont have Domino or Void even RH or KM for synergy purposes or the fact that almost every monthly quest revolves around them including Ghost.

    Yes i have (SL.Corvus.Blade.Magik...duped).Iceman.Massacre.Sabretooth.Emma which are unduped. But they can only go so far in monthly quest before requiring the other champs to help you pass the quest.

    I'll bet there are players running uncollected monthly maps that do not have any of those champs at high rank and aren't twitch-gods either. Heck I don't have Killmonger or Domino as 5* either, nor do I have Corvus. I do have a high rank Void, but if I didn't have him I'm pretty sure I'd just work around that omission. Void is a nice to have this month, but the only fight I really needed him for was Void, and I've seen people use Ronan against him. Most of the other fights, especially Thing and HT himself Blade is great against.

    I can't really think of a recent uncollected monthly map that SL, Blade, Corvus, Magik, Iceman, Sabretooth, and Emma couldn't bring down collectively, with maybe some help from some low level specialists (like Ronan).
  • KinkyWizard1KinkyWizard1 Posts: 911
    The principle foundation of this game is growth and expansion. Champs gotta get old, man.

    Also, you’re blowing a bit out of proportion. There are numerous champs from even two or three years ago that are still great.
  • LormifLormif Posts: 685
    DNA3000 said:

    Couldn't agree more...As i play this game i still dont have Domino or Void even RH or KM for synergy purposes or the fact that almost every monthly quest revolves around them including Ghost.

    Yes i have (SL.Corvus.Blade.Magik...duped).Iceman.Massacre.Sabretooth.Emma which are unduped. But they can only go so far in monthly quest before requiring the other champs to help you pass the quest.

    I'll bet there are players running uncollected monthly maps that do not have any of those champs at high rank and aren't twitch-gods either. Heck I don't have Killmonger or Domino as 5* either, nor do I have Corvus. I do have a high rank Void, but if I didn't have him I'm pretty sure I'd just work around that omission. Void is a nice to have this month, but the only fight I really needed him for was Void, and I've seen people use Ronan against him. Most of the other fights, especially Thing and HT himself Blade is great against.

    I can't really think of a recent uncollected monthly map that SL, Blade, Corvus, Magik, Iceman, Sabretooth, and Emma couldn't bring down collectively, with maybe some help from some low level specialists (like Ronan).
    I have domino, at a decent level, but no ghost, my km is pretty low, no red hulk to go with my domino. A lot of the time I dont even use them.
  • Colonaut123Colonaut123 Posts: 853
    Yes, getting the shards for a 5* or 6* is tedious and the chance of disappointment is high. Kabam can fix that by reworking champions, which they do.

    But I disagree it is all in vain. 5* are still relevant. New champions are still relevant. Of course counters will come, champions are not meant to be invincible.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 15,592
    DNA3000 said:

    Couldn't agree more...As i play this game i still dont have Domino or Void even RH or KM for synergy purposes or the fact that almost every monthly quest revolves around them including Ghost.

    Yes i have (SL.Corvus.Blade.Magik...duped).Iceman.Massacre.Sabretooth.Emma which are unduped. But they can only go so far in monthly quest before requiring the other champs to help you pass the quest.

    I'll bet there are players running uncollected monthly maps that do not have any of those champs at high rank and aren't twitch-gods either. Heck I don't have Killmonger or Domino as 5* either, nor do I have Corvus. I do have a high rank Void, but if I didn't have him I'm pretty sure I'd just work around that omission. Void is a nice to have this month, but the only fight I really needed him for was Void, and I've seen people use Ronan against him. Most of the other fights, especially Thing and HT himself Blade is great against.

    I can't really think of a recent uncollected monthly map that SL, Blade, Corvus, Magik, Iceman, Sabretooth, and Emma couldn't bring down collectively, with maybe some help from some low level specialists (like Ronan).
    You could add me to that list. I have a Max 4* Void that I used from that list. That was it.
  • QuikPikQuikPik Posts: 112
    Unfortunately, some of the newer content requires specific champions as counters. I am talking about Act 6, so if you don't have a 5 or 6* Void you are SoL. Many times you are at the mercy of RNG and not everyone is going to have the right champ for current content.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 6,918
    QuikPik said:

    Unfortunately, some of the newer content requires specific champions as counters. I am talking about Act 6, so if you don't have a 5 or 6* Void you are SoL. Many times you are at the mercy of RNG and not everyone is going to have the right champ for current content.

    Which fight in Act 6 requires a Void?
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 6,918
    xNig said:

    The narrow-mindedness of “only x champ can get through y fight” really irks me.

    I like to think the game penalizes those who think this, and rewards those who don't.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 15,592
    Makes the term, "Knowing is half the battle.", quite literal.
  • xNigxNig Posts: 2,665
    DNA3000 said:

    xNig said:

    The narrow-mindedness of “only x champ can get through y fight” really irks me.

    I like to think the game penalizes those who think this, and rewards those who don't.
    Agree. Some champs, however, do make fights easier. But that doesn’t mean that particular fight NEEDS that champ.
  • Duke_SilverDuke_Silver Posts: 957
    Totally with you on the first part, the second part about 6*s and champs becoming obsolete fast not so much
  • CliffordcanCliffordcan Posts: 302
    DNA3000 said:

    QuikPik said:

    Unfortunately, some of the newer content requires specific champions as counters. I am talking about Act 6, so if you don't have a 5 or 6* Void you are SoL. Many times you are at the mercy of RNG and not everyone is going to have the right champ for current content.

    Which fight in Act 6 requires a Void?
    There is an Incinerate/ buffet line 6.1.5 that is a total pain in the ass without Void, and a walk through the park with him. That is terrible design when you add in the 4* ban.
  • CliffordcanCliffordcan Posts: 302
    edited April 17
    I am an end game player that RARELY spends so I totally agree with the OP.

    IMHO the Featured 5* needs to be bumped up to top 600 and a Basic 5* needs to be released, even if it is only top 5%. I get the whale milking, but this won’t break the bank by any means.
  • NguyenDauNguyenDau Posts: 247
    This and many other things made me go into semi / basicly retire ally.
    too hard to get champs. And too expensive to "gamble".

    Took me 2 years to get a 4 star BW around same time i finally pulled SW and DS.. after couple month they had the 12.0 update and Booom useless DS and nerfed SW, and many many other nerfs.

    Took me 4 years to get a 4 star Hyperion.. i mean come on lol.

  • LormifLormif Posts: 685


    DNA3000 said:

    QuikPik said:

    Unfortunately, some of the newer content requires specific champions as counters. I am talking about Act 6, so if you don't have a 5 or 6* Void you are SoL. Many times you are at the mercy of RNG and not everyone is going to have the right champ for current content.

    Which fight in Act 6 requires a Void?
    There is an Incinerate/ buffet line 6.1.5 that is a total pain in the ass without Void, and a walk through the park with him. That is terrible design when you add in the 4* ban.
    That is not the same thing as "requiring". You could also use any of the other incarcerate immune as well...
  • xNigxNig Posts: 2,665
    And if you don't have an incinerate immune then your roster isn't there yet. LoL
  • CammonRoCammonRo Posts: 355
    What's even worse is that once you've gone through that whole painful process you've described to rank a long coveted champ and then Kabam unceremoniously modifies them so they are no longer the same champ and there's not even any recompense.
  • Denslo500Denslo500 Posts: 118
    I want resources to be easier to acquire, so I feel okay taking Groot/Civil Warrior/etc to 5/65 or whatever a max 5* is (I can't get the resources to see)

    If we could rank who we like, not "who we have to, to be able to compete", it would be more fun and less painful.

    With scarce resources, we cannot afford to "waste" anything on a "lesser" champ.

    Who knows, those champs might be pretty good. I can't afford to find out.
  • JohnDoe89JohnDoe89 Posts: 26

    Couldn't agree more...As i play this game i still dont have Domino or Void even RH or KM for synergy purposes or the fact that almost every monthly quest revolves around them including Ghost.

    Yes i have (SL.Corvus.Blade.Magik...duped).Iceman.Massacre.Sabretooth.Emma which are unduped. But they can only go so far in monthly quest before requiring the other champs to help you pass the quest.

    you cant be serious
  • ZuroZuro Posts: 251
    They need to do what future fight does and make it way easier to acquire certain champs because it’s not like everyone is willing to put thousands in some mobile game or grind like there life depends on it like it gives normal people who play casually the biggest disadvantage
  • CliffordcanCliffordcan Posts: 302
    Lormif said:


    DNA3000 said:

    QuikPik said:

    Unfortunately, some of the newer content requires specific champions as counters. I am talking about Act 6, so if you don't have a 5 or 6* Void you are SoL. Many times you are at the mercy of RNG and not everyone is going to have the right champ for current content.

    Which fight in Act 6 requires a Void?
    There is an Incinerate/ buffet line 6.1.5 that is a total pain in the ass without Void, and a walk through the park with him. That is terrible design when you add in the 4* ban.
    That is not the same thing as "requiring". You could also use any of the other incarcerate immune as well...
    That is not the point. The point I'm trying to make is that it makes me resent Kabam for not having a champ I already want. For Void you have a 1/115 chance to pull from Basic. Add along to this that a 4* Void would do this path fine, but they are banned, which adds to the resentment of not having a champ I want.

    I will get through the content, but the resentment starts to add up. I don't have a 5* GR, if he was in an Arena I would grind for him, I opened the 2 Dungeon Crystals he was in (i think he has been in 2). Sure he is in the featured currently with a bunch of champs I don't want and not worth the extra shards to me. This further stacks resentment.

    It is my opinion that this is bad game design. It has demotivated me. I don't get excited to see the new champions because chances are it will be a very long time before I get them. With the 4* ban they should give us more avenues for getting 5*s(don't confuse this with more shards). Like I mentioned before top 600 in Featured 5* would bring scores dramatically down from 70 mil. A Basic 5* Arena is needed. The old 5* Featured crystal was the best thing this game has done, I think that should return. Anything but the current featured system, it sucks (the wait, the basic champs to be specific).

    This is my opinion and my experience. If you are not an end game player(like still working on your 1st 6*), feel free to keep your thoughts to yourself.
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