Variant 1 synergies not working

I’ve tried a few times to use Things synergy with The Champion, and it fails against robot defenders including Ultron. I tried this last week and it failed with Angela, Hela, and The Champion synergy.

Basically, Thing doesn’t go indestructible, nor does he gain his 20% health from Angela and hela synergy. I have attached a video showing Champion and Thing synergy not working again today. I figured new update would help, but I guess it didn’t.


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  • OrdalcaOrdalca Posts: 302
    edited May 4
    I couldn't tell you about the Champion synergy, but the Hela+Angela synergy only has a 20% chance of triggering when all 5 champions are not knocked out.

    EDIT: Just realized this video doesn't have the hela/angela synergy active, so never mind. I'll see if I can figure out the champion one... My guess is that it thinks the Fate Seal is active, so doesn't place the indestructible.
  • BrackavitchBrackavitch Posts: 352
    Ordalca said:

    I couldn't tell you about the Champion synergy, but the Hela+Angela synergy only has a 20% chance of triggering when all 5 champions are not knocked out.

    Oh, I made sure everyone else was dead. It actually increases by 20% per champ knocked out. So 100% to revive. It works all the time just not against the robots.


  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 5,140 ★★★★★

    I’ve tried a few times to use Things synergy with The Champion, and it fails against robot defenders including Ultron. I tried this last week and it failed with Angela, Hela, and The Champion synergy.

    Basically, Thing doesn’t go indestructible, nor does he gain his 20% health from Angela and hela synergy. I have attached a video showing Champion and Thing synergy not working again today. I figured new update would help, but I guess it didn’t.


    What nodes does that boss have? Is there any ability reduction? Also if that L1 has multiple hit points, it can still knock you out before the synergy can take effect.
  • BrackavitchBrackavitch Posts: 352

    I’ve tried a few times to use Things synergy with The Champion, and it fails against robot defenders including Ultron. I tried this last week and it failed with Angela, Hela, and The Champion synergy.

    Basically, Thing doesn’t go indestructible, nor does he gain his 20% health from Angela and hela synergy. I have attached a video showing Champion and Thing synergy not working again today. I figured new update would help, but I guess it didn’t.


    What nodes does that boss have? Is there any ability reduction? Also if that L1 has multiple hit points, it can still knock you out before the synergy can take effect.

    Did you watch the video? It was pretty straight forward, and no multiple hits from a special shouldn’t knock you out if you become indestructible before it can knock you out unless it has damage over time.

    I’ve messed with this in other areas and it only happens with the robots. I’ve even let myself get hit by similar specials, Superior Ironman in act 6.1.5.

    Only masichoism, Champion boost, and 3rd special active. No damage over time.

    Side note, I changed team to add heimdall and classic Thor instead of hela and Medusa. You can cheat death twice.
  • BrackavitchBrackavitch Posts: 352
    Did you watch the video. I pause to show the node, and no sp1 doesn’t have damage overtime that would by pass synergy. Nor does an sp1 bypass the indestructible synergy.

    I’ll do some act 6 fights to show how it works.
  • AmonthirAmonthir Posts: 714 ★★★
    Not sure about Ultron, but don’t the Mystic drones prevent all buffs for both sides?
  • BrackavitchBrackavitch Posts: 352
    Amonthir said:

    Not sure about Ultron, but don’t the Mystic drones prevent all buffs for both sides?


    That’s what I thought too, but Same thing was happening with all bots. Not all the time either, just random. Also thing is immune to nullify and stager, non of those show up on him.


    I changed up the team to heimdall, Champion, Angela, Classic Thor and Thing, it worked every time, no issues. Just a bit harder to get the health back up once you’re at 1 health.

    Also tested the same team in video of act 6, and some wonky stuff happens with the health. One run had 50% degen then restore. I happen to get hit to 1% health, then restored 75% health when the 50% degen was done, then let myself get hit to death to see if indestructible was gone, but it worked and left me at 1 health.
  • BrackavitchBrackavitch Posts: 352



    Things abilities
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 5,140 ★★★★★


    Dont know what you mean by all bots. Heres Nebula and Darkhawk. Works perfectly fine.
  • BrackavitchBrackavitch Posts: 352
    All ultron bots including ultron in variant 1 so far. It works fine in other events from what I can tell.
  • AmonthirAmonthir Posts: 714 ★★★

    Amonthir said:

    Not sure about Ultron, but don’t the Mystic drones prevent all buffs for both sides?


    That’s what I thought too, but Same thing was happening with all bots. Not all the time either, just random. Also thing is immune to nullify and stager, non of those show up on him.


    I changed up the team to heimdall, Champion, Angela, Classic Thor and Thing, it worked every time, no issues. Just a bit harder to get the health back up once you’re at 1 health.

    Also tested the same team in video of act 6, and some wonky stuff happens with the health. One run had 50% degen then restore. I happen to get hit to 1% health, then restored 75% health when the 50% degen was done, then let myself get hit to death to see if indestructible was gone, but it worked and left me at 1 health.
    The mystic drone effect is more like a passive Fateseal, so it would still block it there. Other issues may involve the order of the champs, I know someone mentioned something like that on the Reddit board a while back, although I am not sure which synergies they were talking about. Think it involved Heimdall or Champion though.
  • Batman05Batman05 Posts: 286

    Ordalca said:

    I couldn't tell you about the Champion synergy, but the Hela+Angela synergy only has a 20% chance of triggering when all 5 champions are not knocked out.

    Oh, I made sure everyone else was dead. It actually increases by 20% per champ knocked out. So 100% to revive. It works all the time just not against the robots.


    If four of your champs are dead then it’s only 80%
  • BrackavitchBrackavitch Posts: 352
    Here multiple fights without changing order of champs. I kept same team of Medusa, Champion, Hela, Angela, and Thing.

    Some fights the indestructible and health kick in when health is around 15%, other times it works as it should, and worse case scenario it doesn’t work at all.

    I’m posting this so people know what’s happening, I already sent a support ticket. Random guessing without reading doesn’t help figure out problem.



  • BrackavitchBrackavitch Posts: 352
    mike867 said:

    Amonthir said:

    Not sure about Ultron, but don’t the Mystic drones prevent all buffs for both sides?

    The indestructible is a passive effect so it doesnt count

    Yeah, at least someone gets it. Plus what you said about health synergy is correct. It’s a 20% chance to get some health, and up to 80% if 4 team meats are dead.

    I’ve used this synergy in ROL and revived with health every time.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 5,140 ★★★★★
    I'd say in that video the Degen had something to do with the K.O in the 2nd fight. Also against the Mystic drone, the Null field also has something to do with it as well. The drone abilities can effect the indestructible and its not a passive effect. It can be nullified and cancelled like any other buff. You aren't showing the Drone sig abilities and only the node abilities. I'd go back in and look at those. I haven't started Variant 1 yet so I can't get in there and see them but i'd say it has a lot to do with their sig abilities canceling out the indestructible.
  • Kobster84Kobster84 Posts: 2,070 ★★★★

    mike867 said:

    Amonthir said:

    Not sure about Ultron, but don’t the Mystic drones prevent all buffs for both sides?

    The indestructible is a passive effect so it doesnt count
    The indestructible is not a passive effect. It can be nullified as its happened in fights against buffet and AAR can prevent it.
    It is a passive indestructible and thing is immune to nullify and fate seal
  • Hey there @Brackavitch, I'll pass this on to the rest of the team. Just to clarify, did you experience this against other Robot Champs, or just Ultron and the Ultron Drones? Also, it was the Worthy Opponent and Queens of Hel synergies that were having issues, but you said Heimdall's Guardian of the Rainbow Bridge synergy was working fine, correct?
  • BrackavitchBrackavitch Posts: 352

    Hey there @Brackavitch, I'll pass this on to the rest of the team. Just to clarify, did you experience this against other Robot Champs, or just Ultron and the Ultron Drones? Also, it was the Worthy Opponent and Queens of Hel synergies that were having issues, but you said Heimdall's Guardian of the Rainbow Bridge synergy was working fine, correct?


    Thank you!

    No, it only happened in variant. I did have one instance of the indestructible buff kicking in at 15% health instead of 0 in act 6. If I can get it to trigger again I’ll film it.
  • BrackavitchBrackavitch Posts: 352

    I'd say in that video the Degen had something to do with the K.O in the 2nd fight. Also against the Mystic drone, the Null field also has something to do with it as well. The drone abilities can effect the indestructible and its not a passive effect. It can be nullified and cancelled like any other buff. You aren't showing the Drone sig abilities and only the node abilities. I'd go back in and look at those. I haven't started Variant 1 yet so I can't get in there and see them but i'd say it has a lot to do with their sig abilities canceling out the indestructible.

    If you haven’t done variant 1, then you shouldn’t talk on these matters. Sorry to sound like a jerk but you really don’t know what you’re talking about. I’m trying to help by getting this fixed, not by blaming the user.

    The synergy worked against the mystic champ on another test run. Degen shouldn’t matter Against the skill robot because degen didn’t matter against support iron man in act 6. The synergy still worked.

    Also as someone else said Thing is immune to null and fate seal, so yeah there goes that point.

    Also I have 3 fights against the same science bot with three different results. The synergy isn’t working as it should, no point in trying to post anymore data.
  • BrackavitchBrackavitch Posts: 352

    Hey there @Brackavitch, I'll pass this on to the rest of the team. Just to clarify, did you experience this against other Robot Champs, or just Ultron and the Ultron Drones? Also, it was the Worthy Opponent and Queens of Hel synergies that were having issues, but you said Heimdall's Guardian of the Rainbow Bridge synergy was working fine, correct?

    Sorry, answering part 2 of your statement.

    It’s’ a combination of champion’s synergy and hela/Angela synergy failing.

    I did a run with classic Thor, Champion, heimdall, Thing and Angela without issue. All synergies worked fine.

    I think something is happening with Champion synergy on its own as I had same issue when it was just the two of them, and the issue is further confused when adding hela and Angela.
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