@Kabam Miike I play on two devices phone and iPad does that mean I am going to get banned?!?!?
No, he's said this 10000000 times good god
Unless of course one device is located in the USA and the 2nd is located in the Ukraine. LOL.
Home Wifi is German, work Wifi uses US VPN, sometimes I'm hooked on Chinese VPN for private uses, and all with one device, now what?
Pray that they believe you??? Honestly I have not seen any bans happen to any how purely account sharing most have been from using Mod's or hiring known Merc's.
@Kabam Miike I play on two devices phone and iPad does that mean I am going to get banned?!?!?
No, he's said this 10000000 times good god
Unless of course one device is located in the USA and the 2nd is located in the Ukraine. LOL.
Home Wifi is German, work Wifi uses US VPN, sometimes I'm hooked on Chinese VPN for private uses, and all with one device, now what?
Pray that they believe you??? Honestly I have not seen any bans happen to any how purely account sharing most have been from using Mod's or hiring known Merc's.
@Kabam Miike I play on two devices phone and iPad does that mean I am going to get banned?!?!?
No, he's said this 10000000 times good god
Unless of course one device is located in the USA and the 2nd is located in the Ukraine. LOL.
Home Wifi is German, work Wifi uses US VPN, sometimes I'm hooked on Chinese VPN for private uses, and all with one device, now what?
Pray that they believe you??? Honestly I have not seen any bans happen to any how purely account sharing most have been from using Mod's or hiring known Merc's.
Which is the problem here, we're completely at the mercy of a bunch of people who are, judging by past experiences, far from trustworthy. And we all know how helpful their support is.
It is against all kinds of privacy laws to track IP adresses, but even if it wasn't, most people use private IP addresses on their home wifi. Then they connect to an ISP and a server which gives a new IP
No it's not.
You're right, it's not. I should have said it's illegal to identify someone via IP address without their consent or without them freely giving personal information online.
I have never understood why people are so willing to assert things like this when they don't actually know.
For the record, there is no law that makes it illegal to track someone by IP address. Every internet ad company basically does this. That's why when you look up travel options to the Galapagos on your mobile phone your computer browser starts showing you Travelocity banner ads.
Also, IP address is not the primary means of tracking mobile game players. It is one piece of information used in combination with many others that are correlated together. NATs and VPNs alter that information, but that's a known effect that can be factored into any tracking system.
I do not know this account is so brutish this account closing process according to me
It is not fair to punish an innocent person for a random job
I have to shoot and publish a video to prove something
I think it's a total **** and you've made a lot of wrongs with a lot of users
It is against all kinds of privacy laws to track IP adresses, but even if it wasn't, most people use private IP addresses on their home wifi. Then they connect to an ISP and a server which gives a new IP
No it's not.
You're right, it's not. I should have said it's illegal to identify someone via IP address without their consent or without them freely giving personal information online.
Yes, in most jurisdictions in the anglosphere this is illegal without a warrant or a contract of service.
I have daughters who occasionally get on my phone or tablet and ask to play games (this is very common and typical of families). Now they aren't too interested in marvel contest (no offense) but IF my 8 year old wants to fight some heroes on my phone, I'm guessing this would not be a violation that I should be concerned about losing my account over? Or is it?
I'm sure that this discussion is really over multiple adults converging their time and energy into a single account for a great advantage but then again what if the 8 year old get good right?
Thoughts?
There's generally 2 reasons that come up regarding account sharing:
Paid services - getting someone to finish content you can't do ie. rttl, lol etc. and of course 24hr arena grinding.
This does affect other people and should definitely be banned.
AQ & AW - sometimes things happen in life that prevents you from logging in and therefore you hold up the rest of your alliance.
People claim that most top alliances do this but that's a different point.
Now the 1st instance is definitely wrong and the account should be banned.
The 2nd instance I think is less bad and can be debated. Now I'm not saying it should be allowed as it can be abused by 1 member doing all of the fights.
Maybe however there could be a system added to allow officers to move you (without actually logging into your account). Now this could be restricted to save abuse to something like once a day or once a series but I think something like this could be a good idea.
It is against all kinds of privacy laws to track IP adresses, but even if it wasn't, most people use private IP addresses on their home wifi. Then they connect to an ISP and a server which gives a new IP
so wrong on so many levels.....
everything that you have said here is incorrect...
There's generally 2 reasons that come up regarding account sharing:
Paid services - getting someone to finish content you can't do ie. rttl, lol etc. and of course 24hr arena grinding.
This does affect other people and should definitely be banned.
AQ & AW - sometimes things happen in life that prevents you from logging in and therefore you hold up the rest of your alliance.
People claim that most top alliances do this but that's a different point.
Now the 1st instance is definitely wrong and the account should be banned.
The 2nd instance I think is less bad and can be debated. Now I'm not saying it should be allowed as it can be abused by 1 member doing all of the fights.
Maybe however there could be a system added to allow officers to move you (without actually logging into your account). Now this could be restricted to save abuse to something like once a day or once a series but I think something like this could be a good idea.
Unfortunately, it's less benevolent than that. Our Account is the property of Kabam. In essence, we borrow and lease the right to use it. As such, we agree to the TOS, which states that we are not allowed to give access to our Account Information to anyone. That's the first layer. The second is that it's designed for the honest progression of the individual, as a part of a collective. Meaning, time management and availability are a part of it. Each time someone shares their Account, that doubles the number of people operating in that slot. Basically, it turns an Ally of 30 into 31, 32, 33....etc. Quite simply, multiple people are earning the Rewards that one person is meant to earn based on their own individual availability. That places them at an unfair advantage against others who are playing honestly based on what they can do. It's the unnecessary added pressure that Allies place on Members to be present at all times and earn Rewards no matter what, that leads to breaking the rules. Organization is what is needed. If someone is not around, the Ally needs to wait or delegate around it. Doing double-time just to accelerate the process is not what is intended by the system. If earning Rewards means more than following the rules, that is not a fair system at all. If someone is busy, they're busy. It's the responsibility of the Ally to work around that, not demand someone's Login Info because Rewards come before anything. If it was someone moving a friend occasionally, it would still be against the rules. However, the greater issue is that it's not only that. There are Allies making it a requirement for Members. The problem is the value they place on winning, which comes above any sense of fairness, and it jeopardizes Accounts and throws the entire system off balance. Hence the overflow of Rewards at certain points, to the extreme that they are expiring. It's not designed for that. It's designed for natural progression.
It is against all kinds of privacy laws to track IP adresses, but even if it wasn't, most people use private IP addresses on their home wifi. Then they connect to an ISP and a server which gives a new IP
No it's not.
You're right, it's not. I should have said it's illegal to identify someone via IP address without their consent or without them freely giving personal information online.
Yes, in most jurisdictions in the anglosphere this is illegal without a warrant or a contract of service.
No, in essentially all jurisdictions it is not illegal to track people by IP address. You are confusing the act of obtaining confidential or personal information from an organization with a fiduciary responsibility to protect that information or where there is a reasonable right to privacy using an IP address as an identifier with the act of tracking and recording activity by IP address.
The government cannot simply present your ISP with your IP address and demand all of their records on you and your activities because that is (in the US) a warrantless search, not because tracking you by IP address is illegal. But your ISP can sell your information to internet ad companies along with your assigned IP address if they inform you of their intent to do that, without needing your positive consent. Google can collect information about you based on your IP address and your search and other activities, and use that information to target ads and perform other services. You are not legally required to opt in to this tracking and there is no explicit "contract of service" in this case. And banner ad companies do this where there is literally no contract of service even implied.
There is nothing special about an IP address in the legal context where IP addresses are afforded special protection. When an organization is required by law to protect your personal information, they must protect that information regardless of the mechanics of how someone tries to obtain it. Conversely, if a company wants to collect information on you, they can choose to link that information to anything they want, whether it is IP address or mobile device ID or anything else.
There's generally 2 reasons that come up regarding account sharing:
Paid services - getting someone to finish content you can't do ie. rttl, lol etc. and of course 24hr arena grinding.
This does affect other people and should definitely be banned.
AQ & AW - sometimes things happen in life that prevents you from logging in and therefore you hold up the rest of your alliance.
People claim that most top alliances do this but that's a different point.
Now the 1st instance is definitely wrong and the account should be banned.
The 2nd instance I think is less bad and can be debated. Now I'm not saying it should be allowed as it can be abused by 1 member doing all of the fights.
Maybe however there could be a system added to allow officers to move you (without actually logging into your account). Now this could be restricted to save abuse to something like once a day or once a series but I think something like this could be a good idea.
Unfortunately, it's less benevolent than that. Our Account is the property of Kabam. In essence, we borrow and lease the right to use it. As such, we agree to the TOS, which states that we are not allowed to give access to our Account Information to anyone. That's the first layer. The second is that it's designed for the honest progression of the individual, as a part of a collective. Meaning, time management and availability are a part of it. Each time someone shares their Account, that doubles the number of people operating in that slot. Basically, it turns an Ally of 30 into 31, 32, 33....etc. Quite simply, multiple people are earning the Rewards that one person is meant to earn based on their own individual availability. That places them at an unfair advantage against others who are playing honestly based on what they can do. It's the unnecessary added pressure that Allies place on Members to be present at all times and earn Rewards no matter what, that leads to breaking the rules. Organization is what is needed. If someone is not around, the Ally needs to wait or delegate around it. Doing double-time just to accelerate the process is not what is intended by the system. If earning Rewards means more than following the rules, that is not a fair system at all. If someone is busy, they're busy. It's the responsibility of the Ally to work around that, not demand someone's Login Info because Rewards come before anything. If it was someone moving a friend occasionally, it would still be against the rules. However, the greater issue is that it's not only that. There are Allies making it a requirement for Members. The problem is the value they place on winning, which comes above any sense of fairness, and it jeopardizes Accounts and throws the entire system off balance. Hence the overflow of Rewards at certain points, to the extreme that they are expiring. It's not designed for that. It's designed for natural progression.
Webs, yesterday you were saying you favour account sharing and it's against the law for Kabam to do anything about it as it isn't there account.
Your mixing up your personalities my friend, don't say one thing and then support another view point on the same subject.
Is very simple Account Sharing is against TOS but people download the game and dont read the terms and when they get busted cheating they want to change the rules .
It is against all kinds of privacy laws to track IP adresses, but even if it wasn't, most people use private IP addresses on their home wifi. Then they connect to an ISP and a server which gives a new IP
No it's not.
You're right, it's not. I should have said it's illegal to identify someone via IP address without their consent or without them freely giving personal information online.
Yes, in most jurisdictions in the anglosphere this is illegal without a warrant or a contract of service.
No, in essentially all jurisdictions it is not illegal to track people by IP address. You are confusing the act of obtaining confidential or personal information from an organization with a fiduciary responsibility to protect that information or where there is a reasonable right to privacy using an IP address as an identifier with the act of tracking and recording activity by IP address.
The government cannot simply present your ISP with your IP address and demand all of their records on you and your activities because that is (in the US) a warrantless search, not because tracking you by IP address is illegal. But your ISP can sell your information to internet ad companies along with your assigned IP address if they inform you of their intent to do that, without needing your positive consent. Google can collect information about you based on your IP address and your search and other activities, and use that information to target ads and perform other services. You are not legally required to opt in to this tracking and there is no explicit "contract of service" in this case. And banner ad companies do this where there is literally no contract of service even implied.
There is nothing special about an IP address in the legal context where IP addresses are afforded special protection. When an organization is required by law to protect your personal information, they must protect that information regardless of the mechanics of how someone tries to obtain it. Conversely, if a company wants to collect information on you, they can choose to link that information to anything they want, whether it is IP address or mobile device ID or anything else.
I'm not going to argue with you. Instead, I'll ask you to reread my posts and remind you that time can often be saved if one listens or reads thoroughly.
It is against all kinds of privacy laws to track IP adresses, but even if it wasn't, most people use private IP addresses on their home wifi. Then they connect to an ISP and a server which gives a new IP
No it's not.
You're right, it's not. I should have said it's illegal to identify someone via IP address without their consent or without them freely giving personal information online.
Yes, in most jurisdictions in the anglosphere this is illegal without a warrant or a contract of service.
No, in essentially all jurisdictions it is not illegal to track people by IP address. You are confusing the act of obtaining confidential or personal information from an organization with a fiduciary responsibility to protect that information or where there is a reasonable right to privacy using an IP address as an identifier with the act of tracking and recording activity by IP address.
The government cannot simply present your ISP with your IP address and demand all of their records on you and your activities because that is (in the US) a warrantless search, not because tracking you by IP address is illegal. But your ISP can sell your information to internet ad companies along with your assigned IP address if they inform you of their intent to do that, without needing your positive consent. Google can collect information about you based on your IP address and your search and other activities, and use that information to target ads and perform other services. You are not legally required to opt in to this tracking and there is no explicit "contract of service" in this case. And banner ad companies do this where there is literally no contract of service even implied.
There is nothing special about an IP address in the legal context where IP addresses are afforded special protection. When an organization is required by law to protect your personal information, they must protect that information regardless of the mechanics of how someone tries to obtain it. Conversely, if a company wants to collect information on you, they can choose to link that information to anything they want, whether it is IP address or mobile device ID or anything else.
I'm not going to argue with you. Instead, I'll ask you to reread my posts and remind you that time can often be saved if one listens or reads thoroughly.
Nice try. I read carefully, you said this: "Yes, in most jurisdictions in the anglosphere this is illegal without a warrant or a contract of service." The "this" you are referring to was what you quoted, which was this: "I should have said it's illegal to identify someone via IP address without their consent or without them freely giving personal information online."
Your statement is wrong on its face. It is not illegal to identify someone via IP address without their consent and without them freely giving you their personal information. It happens all of the time.
When does one agree to the TOS, when the account is created or the game download? Account sharing isn't as easy as one would think to track. Not to mention, the additional resources to track IP's seems like a waste. When it's much easier for Kabam to look at content such as ROL, LOL and act 5 to determine people using mods by calculating damage output, time of fight, number of hits taken and received.
Also how does ones IP address work when connecting via cellular data? I drive through 3 states to go to work, and many times thanks to auto fight I play my heroic and normal quests while driving. At any giving point I may pick up a different tower, so I'm not familiar with how that works and just curious.
@Kabam Miike I play on two devices phone and iPad does that mean I am going to get banned?!?!?
No, he's said this 10000000 times good god
Unless of course one device is located in the USA and the 2nd is located in the Ukraine. LOL.
Home Wifi is German, work Wifi uses US VPN, sometimes I'm hooked on Chinese VPN for private uses, and all with one device, now what?
Pray that they believe you??? Honestly I have not seen any bans happen to any how purely account sharing most have been from using Mod's or hiring known Merc's.
Oh, they have.
GW, can you provide us proof that they have. I wonder how you might know this as Ban's are not discussed by the mods.
IMHO I don't think account sharing should be banned if it's in withing your Alliance and its for AQ or AW. Certain ppl don't have the time at times or their cellphones could get damaged or some mishap happens that prevents them from login in. Now, lets say that person was taking the center route in AW, that holds up the other players since he can't remove the center nodes which are the first to go. So now what? Their suppose to just lose the war because of this? That doesn't seem fair. KAGAN should take in consideration that accidents happen and at the most unfortunate moments. So I think it should be allowed for another alliance member to maybe login to your account and remove the needed nodes to progress in AW. Its called improvising. Yeah, maybe another member could continue his route but then that puts a huge disadvantage on that Alliance, especially if they are neck to neck with their opponent. 1 less route explored could make the biggest difference on who wins. Or, let's say all members have taken a route, then what? This should be heavily considered. I mean, KAGAN doesn't seem to mind that their game favors IOS users over Android or other devices and yet they do nothing to fix it. Some people can't afford high end devices, so their gameplay isn't as fast responding as other devices. They do nothing. I've heard a lot of Android users complain about their fights in AQ or AW taking longer than usual to load and when it does, their fight is already over andthey lost. What has KAGAN done about this? Nothing. So account sharing should be allowed as well, whether its a defected device, damaged, or KAGAN's own incompetence to fix their MANY, MANY, MANY bugs for android or other non IOS devices. Account sharing withing Alliances should be allowed or at the very least considered. Given that there isn't any form of payment being exchanged or mods/hacks being used. At the end, it's all for the good of the Alliance which is the main goal of this Game in the first place. Teamwork. Cuz let's be honest, w/o an Alliance, you can't do squat or earn squat than you can with one.
I am amazed to have such a solid grip.
I have repeatedly said times but nobody does not even make feedback that another city in the city with wifi sign in to signify that this is ****
I will not be more insistent on this issue
Resulting in an in-app purchasing that would be harmful again in a vote.
friends
I do not trust the justice of my roommate anymore open cheats can still play this game I think that everything is not transparent here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-Iu5Vk5UyY
Hello my friend
I think that you do not have to worry at all.
The program called zeabot remains oblivious. You are sending video and they remain indifferent
reliability is reduced to zero I do not bother at all I am not begging anyone to know themselves.
days will open these accounts in the future unfairly closed
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Pray that they believe you??? Honestly I have not seen any bans happen to any how purely account sharing most have been from using Mod's or hiring known Merc's.
Oh, they have.
Which is the problem here, we're completely at the mercy of a bunch of people who are, judging by past experiences, far from trustworthy. And we all know how helpful their support is.
I have never understood why people are so willing to assert things like this when they don't actually know.
For the record, there is no law that makes it illegal to track someone by IP address. Every internet ad company basically does this. That's why when you look up travel options to the Galapagos on your mobile phone your computer browser starts showing you Travelocity banner ads.
Also, IP address is not the primary means of tracking mobile game players. It is one piece of information used in combination with many others that are correlated together. NATs and VPNs alter that information, but that's a known effect that can be factored into any tracking system.
It is not fair to punish an innocent person for a random job
I have to shoot and publish a video to prove something
I think it's a total **** and you've made a lot of wrongs with a lot of users
Yes, in most jurisdictions in the anglosphere this is illegal without a warrant or a contract of service.
I'm sure that this discussion is really over multiple adults converging their time and energy into a single account for a great advantage but then again what if the 8 year old get good right?
Thoughts?
Paid services - getting someone to finish content you can't do ie. rttl, lol etc. and of course 24hr arena grinding.
This does affect other people and should definitely be banned.
AQ & AW - sometimes things happen in life that prevents you from logging in and therefore you hold up the rest of your alliance.
People claim that most top alliances do this but that's a different point.
Now the 1st instance is definitely wrong and the account should be banned.
The 2nd instance I think is less bad and can be debated. Now I'm not saying it should be allowed as it can be abused by 1 member doing all of the fights.
Maybe however there could be a system added to allow officers to move you (without actually logging into your account). Now this could be restricted to save abuse to something like once a day or once a series but I think something like this could be a good idea.
Neither is currently allowed by the TOS and it should stay that way.
so wrong on so many levels.....
everything that you have said here is incorrect...
Unfortunately, it's less benevolent than that. Our Account is the property of Kabam. In essence, we borrow and lease the right to use it. As such, we agree to the TOS, which states that we are not allowed to give access to our Account Information to anyone. That's the first layer. The second is that it's designed for the honest progression of the individual, as a part of a collective. Meaning, time management and availability are a part of it. Each time someone shares their Account, that doubles the number of people operating in that slot. Basically, it turns an Ally of 30 into 31, 32, 33....etc. Quite simply, multiple people are earning the Rewards that one person is meant to earn based on their own individual availability. That places them at an unfair advantage against others who are playing honestly based on what they can do. It's the unnecessary added pressure that Allies place on Members to be present at all times and earn Rewards no matter what, that leads to breaking the rules. Organization is what is needed. If someone is not around, the Ally needs to wait or delegate around it. Doing double-time just to accelerate the process is not what is intended by the system. If earning Rewards means more than following the rules, that is not a fair system at all. If someone is busy, they're busy. It's the responsibility of the Ally to work around that, not demand someone's Login Info because Rewards come before anything. If it was someone moving a friend occasionally, it would still be against the rules. However, the greater issue is that it's not only that. There are Allies making it a requirement for Members. The problem is the value they place on winning, which comes above any sense of fairness, and it jeopardizes Accounts and throws the entire system off balance. Hence the overflow of Rewards at certain points, to the extreme that they are expiring. It's not designed for that. It's designed for natural progression.
No, in essentially all jurisdictions it is not illegal to track people by IP address. You are confusing the act of obtaining confidential or personal information from an organization with a fiduciary responsibility to protect that information or where there is a reasonable right to privacy using an IP address as an identifier with the act of tracking and recording activity by IP address.
The government cannot simply present your ISP with your IP address and demand all of their records on you and your activities because that is (in the US) a warrantless search, not because tracking you by IP address is illegal. But your ISP can sell your information to internet ad companies along with your assigned IP address if they inform you of their intent to do that, without needing your positive consent. Google can collect information about you based on your IP address and your search and other activities, and use that information to target ads and perform other services. You are not legally required to opt in to this tracking and there is no explicit "contract of service" in this case. And banner ad companies do this where there is literally no contract of service even implied.
There is nothing special about an IP address in the legal context where IP addresses are afforded special protection. When an organization is required by law to protect your personal information, they must protect that information regardless of the mechanics of how someone tries to obtain it. Conversely, if a company wants to collect information on you, they can choose to link that information to anything they want, whether it is IP address or mobile device ID or anything else.
Webs, yesterday you were saying you favour account sharing and it's against the law for Kabam to do anything about it as it isn't there account.
Your mixing up your personalities my friend, don't say one thing and then support another view point on the same subject.
Makes you look stupid
I'm not going to argue with you. Instead, I'll ask you to reread my posts and remind you that time can often be saved if one listens or reads thoroughly.
Nice try. I read carefully, you said this: "Yes, in most jurisdictions in the anglosphere this is illegal without a warrant or a contract of service." The "this" you are referring to was what you quoted, which was this: "I should have said it's illegal to identify someone via IP address without their consent or without them freely giving personal information online."
Your statement is wrong on its face. It is not illegal to identify someone via IP address without their consent and without them freely giving you their personal information. It happens all of the time.
http://www.milliyet.com.tr/metin2-oynayan-o-cocuk-neden-gundem-2498184/
Also how does ones IP address work when connecting via cellular data? I drive through 3 states to go to work, and many times thanks to auto fight I play my heroic and normal quests while driving. At any giving point I may pick up a different tower, so I'm not familiar with how that works and just curious.
GW, can you provide us proof that they have. I wonder how you might know this as Ban's are not discussed by the mods.
I have repeatedly said times but nobody does not even make feedback that another city in the city with wifi sign in to signify that this is ****
I will not be more insistent on this issue
Resulting in an in-app purchasing that would be harmful again in a vote.
I do not trust the justice of my roommate anymore open cheats can still play this game I think that everything is not transparent here
I think that you do not have to worry at all.
The program called zeabot remains oblivious. You are sending video and they remain indifferent
reliability is reduced to zero I do not bother at all I am not begging anyone to know themselves.
days will open these accounts in the future unfairly closed