Weird Interaction between IMIW and OG Daredevil

FreeToPlay_21FreeToPlay_21 Member Posts: 1,594 ★★★★
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IMIW's abilities state that his repulsor attacks CANNOT be evaded. Wheareas Daredevil's Awakened ability (5.1.6 Daredevil in particular) gives him a 114% chance to evade all projectiles . There was a node which boosted this chance upto 134%.

If we go by Kabam's "Cannot" beats "Always" logic, Daredevil shouldn't be able to evade any of the repulsor attacks. But he did, not all but most of them. Should this be happening or is it a bug? Any comments would be appreciated, thanks!

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  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    edited August 2019
    FreeToPlay_21 said:

    IMIW's abilities state that his repulsor attacks CANNOT be evaded. Wheareas Daredevil's Awakened ability (5.1.6 Daredevil in particular) gives him a 114% chance to evade all projectiles . There was a node which boosted this chance upto 134%.

    If we go by Kabam's "Cannot" beats "Always" logic, Daredevil shouldn't be able to evade any of the repulsor attacks. But he did, not all but most of them. Should this be happening or is it a bug? Any comments would be appreciated, thanks!

    There is a bit of the logic you may have missed. According to kabam defenders "always/never" beat attackers "always/cannot". This is why Corvus' "always crits" does not work on Antman's glancing are "never crits"
  • MauledMauled Member, Guardian Posts: 3,956 Guardian
    They should just shy away from absolutes and express it in percentage values.
    If they want IMIW's repulser hits to be non-evadable (a word?) they should express it as 100% to hit, then DD's 114% chance to evade would get calculated in a mathy way that would be far more clear to the player rather than always/never/possibly/if it's on a weekday but not Thursday logic.

    They should reduce it down to mathematical expression instead of wordage that is open to interpretation, then we don't have to discuss it in such an uncertain way.
  • FreeToPlay_21FreeToPlay_21 Member Posts: 1,594 ★★★★
    Mauled said:

    They should just shy away from absolutes and express it in percentage values.
    If they want IMIW's repulser hits to be non-evadable (a word?) they should express it as 100% to hit, then DD's 114% chance to evade would get calculated in a mathy way that would be far more clear to the player rather than always/never/possibly/if it's on a weekday but not Thursday logic.

    They should reduce it down to mathematical expression instead of wordage that is open to interpretation, then we don't have to discuss it in such an uncertain way.

    Since they're not doing that though. What do we assume when it's clearly stated "cannot"? Do we just assume that it's a 100% chance? I'd have no problems with that interaction if I knew how it'd go down. I kinda got destroyed on that fight because of this.
  • Lvernon15Lvernon15 Member Posts: 11,601 ★★★★★
    Assume that cannot is 100% reduction
  • FreeToPlay_21FreeToPlay_21 Member Posts: 1,594 ★★★★
    Lvernon15 said:

    Assume that cannot is 100% reduction

    So that means Daredevil should be able to evade all repulsor attacks. As 134%>100%. But he didn't evade ALL repulsor attacks, some of them landed successfully. Which again, does not make sense.
  • Wubbie075Wubbie075 Member Posts: 763 ★★★
    Assuming your numbers are correct, I think your example works out as 134% - 100% = 34% so it lines up perfectly with it happening sometimes, but not every time.
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  • FreeToPlay_21FreeToPlay_21 Member Posts: 1,594 ★★★★
    Wubbie075 said:

    Assuming your numbers are correct, I think your example works out as 134% - 100% = 34% so it lines up perfectly with it happening sometimes, but not every time.

    I hope this is the case. I'm not sure if the ability accuracies cancel out each other like this though.
  • NeotwismNeotwism Member Posts: 1,803 ★★★★★
    I agree percentages would be better than wording that can get confusing especially if english isnt your native language.
  • MauledMauled Member, Guardian Posts: 3,956 Guardian
    FreeToPlay_21 said:

    Mauled said:

    They should just shy away from absolutes and express it in percentage values.
    If they want IMIW's repulser hits to be non-evadable (a word?) they should express it as 100% to hit, then DD's 114% chance to evade would get calculated in a mathy way that would be far more clear to the player rather than always/never/possibly/if it's on a weekday but not Thursday logic.

    They should reduce it down to mathematical expression instead of wordage that is open to interpretation, then we don't have to discuss it in such an uncertain way.

    Since they're not doing that though. What do we assume when it's clearly stated "cannot"? Do we just assume that it's a 100% chance? I'd have no problems with that interaction if I knew how it'd go down. I kinda got destroyed on that fight because of this.
    Not the foggiest lol, and that's the problem. If it was there in black and white numbers, when the OP comes with this problem you can reduce it down to its code rather than trying to translate whatever the hell they've managed to code 'always' or 'cannot' as.
  • Kabam ZibiitKabam Zibiit Administrator Posts: 7,033
    FreeToPlay_21 said:

    IMIW's abilities state that his repulsor attacks CANNOT be evaded. Wheareas Daredevil's Awakened ability (5.1.6 Daredevil in particular) gives him a 114% chance to evade all projectiles . There was a node which boosted this chance upto 134%.

    If we go by Kabam's "Cannot" beats "Always" logic, Daredevil shouldn't be able to evade any of the repulsor attacks. But he did, not all but most of them. Should this be happening or is it a bug? Any comments would be appreciated, thanks!

    Could you tell us what specific nodes were active for that fight? Along with what other Champions you had on your team or what boosts you had active at the time?
  • FreeToPlay_21FreeToPlay_21 Member Posts: 1,594 ★★★★
    Kabam Zibiit said:

    FreeToPlay_21 said:

    IMIW's abilities state that his repulsor attacks CANNOT be evaded. Wheareas Daredevil's Awakened ability (5.1.6 Daredevil in particular) gives him a 114% chance to evade all projectiles . There was a node which boosted this chance upto 134%.

    If we go by Kabam's "Cannot" beats "Always" logic, Daredevil shouldn't be able to evade any of the repulsor attacks. But he did, not all but most of them. Should this be happening or is it a bug? Any comments would be appreciated, thanks!

    Could you tell us what specific nodes were active for that fight? Along with what other Champions you had on your team or what boosts you had active at the time?
    Sure!
    I had a 40% XP boost active
    The nodes were
    Resonance Cascade
    Enhanced Abilities
    ISO Infused
    Critical
    Brute Force
    Kinetic instigator
    Champion Boost

    My Champions were all 4/40 4*s
    IMIW
    Emma Frost
    Gamora
    Blade
    She Hulk
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