She-Hulk Heavy Speed Bug Fix [Title Edited for Clarity]

That's tuff

And people made the choice to rank up SH because of the heavy chain but now it's gone they feel cheated

No one was ever told that she should be able to chain a heavy from combo. Not once.

There are multiple instances however where people were told, by kabam, that either a champion or a champion/mastery interaction was working as intended. That was then changed later and no one was given the opportunity to reconsider anything.

Again, I'm not upset at people being able to rank SH down but please do not even act like this is "fair". This coming about bc more people and more prominent people got riled up about it unlike the other past changes. They got worried about the backlash with all the hype floating around. Of all the changes they made that affected champion performance this was actually the least deserving of RDT in my opinion. She was acting outside stated abilities in a unique way that very few champions can. The past changes were made to things that were actually stated to be working as intended and yet absolutely no one was given a chance to reconsider anything.

I'm happy for the people that get to bring her down but please do not even act like this was warranted when taking previous actions into account. This was flat out damage control bc they got nervous

Wisdom_of_Doom

But she wasn't supposed to be able to do that so they fixed her.

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I suppose it is moot for the players who wanted a remedy for the She Hulk change, but to be honest I think the question of how these kinds of changes are managed is the more important long term question. I would set She Hulk on fire if it meant we got a proper bug tracking process in place. Something about how the workflow happens made the left hand unaware of the right hand: someone at Kabam was changing a She Hulk behavior literally at the exact moment someone else at Kabam was congratulating a player for using that behavior. That's the kind of problem that will come back to haunt us if we just hand out a bunch of RDTs and move on.

How are we supposed to know that it wasn't intended like it's been out for 3 years without a problem

It wasn't a problem until she got buffed and that's blatantly obvious to anyone why.

Oesername123

You know what's sad? Kabam would only do the right thing when theres a community outrage.

You know very well that they had no intention of handing out rank down tickets, which by the way would the right thing to do. They would be totally fine screwing everyone over.

It's like starting a fire and then extinguishing the fire and be hailed as a hero.

I gave my arguments for why this situation is different in my opinion extensively in this thread. If you want to argue that Kabam is only doing this because of the level of complaints, feel free to try to make that case in the face of the fact that the majority of the time when complaints are this high or even higher Kabam sticks to their guns and doesn't reverse their decisions.

But regardless, when I say it is warranted that's because it is my judgment that they are warranted. I don't speak for Kabam or claim to know with certainty why they make the decisions they make. I can only judge if a decision is reasonable, not if it was made for reasonable reasons.

And? It's still dumb how as soon as a champ gets good they begin to focus on these type of thInga like if this was never intended why do nothing to fix it until now when she is buffed I wouldnt be surprised if they do the same with OML

I can't remember the last time complaints were this high about a champion change honestly. 6.2 is probably the closest thing but that's quest content. They're not going to redesign and entire chapter unless just absolutely no one plays it.

You honestly think this change warrants a reversal more than the changes like AA and MD/defenders after they were flat out stated to be working correctly? The SH chain was not one single time confirmed to be intended and yet here we are. I just think it's funny that unless enough of or the right youtubers get bent out of shape about a champion change and it affects you, you're screwed. Otherwise I don't particularly care one way or the other. 4 t2a back from dormammu isn't going to do much of anything for me these days. I just find the whole thing funny.

If I keep asking you if you honestly believe this change doesn't warrant a reversal over and over again, approximately how many repetitions would it take to change your mind?

There's good and there's infinitely cornering a LoL fight with a 3* champ to take them out broken. Trying to justify how she was working is pretty ridiculous honestly.

Aryanna

Where does this end? The game has countless other bugs that favour Kabam'd bottom line but aren't addressed. You're going to have to give rank down tickets to every champ you "fix a bug" down the road. If you have actually skilled testers to test champs and content you wouldn't need to always have to "balance" the game out (aka nerf abilities and champs that doesn't help the bottom line)

And again, I don't have a problem with them giving RDT for this. I just think it's pretty sad that people weren't given the same option for previous changes that on paper were far more deserving. They just didn't have the right people crying about them apparently

Also I'm not going to read through this entire thread to find everything you said here. I didn't care about she hulk before they announced the change and I don't care about her still.

I do care about the inconsistency that happens with these situations though so I came in here when the reversal was announced.

You say that like she can corned everything in the game SL just happens to have a easy sp1 to counter while others do not just like everyone else she has a fair share of weakness and her being a three star is not relevant at all

GroundedWisdom

I didn't debate how others feel. I explained how I felt. Tickets are counterintuitive to the game. That's just my view.

It's definitely relevant bc feel free to find me the videos of the plethora of other 3* champs doing it.

Defending that mechanic is just silly honestly. I'm not going to keep beating a dead horse bc that's done now and arguing about it is pointless. I feel that expecting that mechanic to stay in the game was beyond naive and ranking her up for it was foolish. I'm usually not a fan of foolish behavior being rewarded but here we are. I'm happy for those that get to make the change bc I've been in the same situation and didn't get that chance (even though I still feel those were far more warranted). Im glad they changed her and I'm glad that people get another chance with their rank materials. Im just yet again disappointed in the people that run this game

They maybe be counterintuitive for the most part but not for this situation as it was advertised that SH can do this by the community which led some to rank her up and when this is taken away it makes them feel scammed so the right thing to do would to be given the choice to reverse the rank up

DrZola

I can second that. There’s little as frustrating as trying to inform the game team about a bug—not a “my crystal gave a bad champ” bug—but a bug like my combo just now getting interrupted in mid-stream via special by Var3 3.1 Colossus bug.

First you get ignored. You might get a “provide more info” message. Then—if you’re lucky—you get a “looking into it” or possibly a “can’t duplicate it” message. Weeks pass. Threads get bumped, posts get deleted and warnings get issued. One day maybe, just maybe, someone notices and decides it’s worth it to fix.

That’s the basic routine. And that doesn’t even consider trying to file a ticket, which only a masochist could enjoy.

So yeah...that part wouldn’t be moot, would it?

Dr. Zola

RDTs aren't going to be consistently applied because RDTs are a remedy of last resort: by definition they are going to be decided on a case by case basis. There's a thought process of considering what prompts the change, is the change indicative of an unfair player choice, and are there any reasonable reasons why the change should have been anticipated.

Which I went through in detail throughout the thread, but especially here, here, and very especially here.

Bear3

Saying she wasn’t supposed to be able to do that so it’s a bug is just stupid. It’s been that way for over 3 years and kabam showed her using the technique in the strategies for champion boss, so they were well aware. They decided to change it because the cash grab boss was losing cash... really can’t call it a bug after 3 years where she’s clearly always been able to do that... or if you wanna call it a bug tough cookies, you created her bugged you missed the boat on fixing it years ago. Amazing how things don’t get fixed until it’s allowing people to complete difficult content.... before that it’s all good.

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As far as I'm aware, the game doesn't possess intuition.

GroundedWisdom

I don't agree with Tickets in general. I wish they had never been introduced. Lol. There's no need to try and sell me on this instance. I respect that they chose to give people the option. I'm not agruing against this case. All I said was I'm against Tickets on principle. I'm for people living with whatever choices they made in whatever direction the game goes, and that's not going to change. I can appreciate that they thought it was fitting. I'm not even arguing they shouldn't have done it. That's their choice, and I already said I'm glad people are happy with the resolution. In general, they're a curse. They go against a number of internal systems, and we never hear the end of them. I'm not petitioning against them. Just stating my view.

Rougeknight87

It is sad but nothing can be done about it now, like I’ve heard you say kabam has been terrible in communicating in the past so chalk this up as a step forward. They can’t change anything that’s been done but going forward if this means improved dialogue and improved relations then hopefully we can avoid it in the future.